John Jaeckel: Kane On The Block? Oduya, And More

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Like I've been saying , Id rather give Kane a sniper to work with but If the Hawks have decided to trade him there is nothing I can do about it. Nash ? Bobby Ryan ? Getzlaf ? If Montreal is the Trade partner you have to figure PRICE is not involved so PK Subban , Travis Moen and a pick ?? I don't know , If they do move Kane I hope it comes to a head quick, getting kind of sick of it.

I like the creativity and speculation of some of these trades, but Bowman has given every indication that he is MAJOR anti-gamble.

So for the people that have thrown out the kane+stalberg++frolik+pick for nash+methot+dorsett+pick or the

bolland+saad+hjarlmasson+pick for staal+pick


type deals, i wouldnt hold you breath on anything along those lines

I like the creativity and speculation of some of these trades, but Bowman has given every indication that he is MAJOR anti-gamble.

So for the people that have thrown out the kane+stalberg++frolik+pick for nash+methot+dorsett+pick or the

bolland+saad+hjarlmasson+pick for staal+pick


type deals, i wouldnt hold you breath on anything along those lines
- FourFeathers773

I dont see that happening either , if it does I'll be very very shocked.

We will take him on Buffalo. Don't really understand while this getting drunk thing is a huge story. It's the offseason, no?

I don't know about you guys but I have little faith in Bowman being able to pull off a blockbuster deal involving Kane and not getting the Hawks fleeced.

John Jaeckel: Kane On The Block? Oduya, And More
- John Jaeckel

Part of the reason Oduya had trouble in the playoffs was being paired with Leddy.

He has to paired with a tougher, stay-at-home type guy if he's going to be successful.

Methot could be that guy, at almost $1 million cheaper than Hammer.

JJ, I know your feelings about Garrioch but what do you think of the article he had today about the top 5 Sens players that could be traded.

Foligno
Lehner
Butler
Gonchar
Smith

If Bolland is traded in a package for a top 6 center, Zack Smith is a guy that would do better in his position than Kruger IMO. And he comes very cheap right now.

Foligno (RFA) could also be a forward who could help this team.

Lehner is possibly an upgrade over Crawford at this point.

We will take him on Buffalo. Don't really understand while this getting drunk thing is a huge story. It's the offseason, no?
- ImThatGuy

I think you have to understand the dynamics of the Chicago market and how much the Hawks have invested in marketing their players—especially Kane and Toews—as their brand.

That IS an issue here.

There could also be more to the story.

I don't know about you guys but I have little faith in Bowman being able to pull off a blockbuster deal involving Kane and not getting the Hawks fleeced.


- jhawk159

i also have no faith in Bowman until proven otherwise

I don't know about you guys but I have little faith in Bowman being able to pull off a blockbuster deal involving Kane and not getting the Hawks fleeced.


- jhawk159

I said before I have almost no faith in bowman to do anything of the sort, involving any top tier talent players because i feel the only way he agrees to ship any of our "core" players is if he gets blown away by a deal in which he gets the clear better side of the deal, which obviously im sure there are slim to none GMs across the league who are dumb enough to do that unless they are DYING to get kane or keith or sharp or someone of the like

Part of the reason Oduya had trouble in the playoffs was being paired with Leddy.

He has to paired with a tougher, stay-at-home type guy if he's going to be successful.

Methot could be that guy, at almost $1 million cheaper than Hammer.

JJ, I know your feelings about Garrioch but what do you think of the article he had today about the top 5 Sens players that could be traded.

Foligno
Lehner
Butler
Gonchar
Smith

If Bolland is traded in a package for a top 6 center, Zack Smith is a guy that would do better in that position than Kruger IMO.

Foligno could also be a forward who could help this team.

Lehner is possibly an upgrade over Crawford at this point.
- pri$ey

I was surprised he didn't have any of his usual trade rumours in there. I thought it was a pretty solid piece.

I have mentioned Lehner before as a target. Makes a lot of sense.

We will take him on Buffalo. Don't really understand while this getting drunk thing is a huge story. It's the offseason, no?
- ImThatGuy

You can have Kane. As long as Tyler Myers is part of the deal. Kane is a great player, that cant be denied. I for one think he is a spoiled little punk that wont grow up. I think his father is his enabler. Things will not change. the guy is a cancer off ice and needs to go ASAP.

Its a shame because the sky is the limit with his talent. One player doesnt make a team. and if a player is a disruption to the team he should be moved for the great good.

As much as a Kane trade could benefit the Hawks, I don't see it happening because of all things marketing.

on top of that, if you get a deal that pretty much looks like a coin flip, i think bowman balks at it or decides its not worth it and would rather just keep things status quo if there is no obvious upside

I think you have to understand the dynamics of the Chicago market and how much the Hawks have invested in marketing their players—especially Kane and Toews—as their brand.

That IS an issue here.

There could also be more to the story.
- John Jaeckel

You mean trying to choke a girl out more?

I like the creativity and speculation of some of these trades, but Bowman has given every indication that he is MAJOR anti-gamble.

So for the people that have thrown out the kane+stalberg++frolik+pick for nash+methot+dorsett+pick or the

bolland+saad+hjarlmasson+pick for staal+pick


type deals, i wouldnt hold you breath on anything along those lines
- FourFeathers773

I'm still waiting for SB to get the better end of a trade. Cheveldayoff (Dudley really) and Tallon must be laughing at those deals involving Campbell, Ladd, Buff, etc.

Unless there's an offer that the Hawks cannot simply pass up, I don't see Kane going anywhere. Plus there's always that chance (I'll put it at greater than 50%) that a move like this comes back to bite the Hawks. Bowman doesn't want to be the guy to make the Phil Esposito II trade.

Kane gets alot of well deserved crap for his off ice behavior but on the ice he's still a damn fine player. He was the best player on the team for the last 1/3 of the season when Toews was out. He was asked to step into the 2C role which he really isn't suited for and actually did a nice job there. I think we'd all prefer the Hawks get a real 2C and move Kane back to wing where he plays his best. If the kid weren't such a d-bag off the ice, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

on top of that, if you get a deal that pretty much looks like a coin flip, i think bowman balks at it or decides its not worth it and would rather just keep things status quo if there is no obvious upside
- FourFeathers773

And there is nothing wrong with that IMO

Paul Holmgren knows about coin-flip trades.. And he's watching his former captain and another "cast off" back in the Stanley Cup finals.

I think the Flyers will be fine with these trades eventually but right now, it's Dean Lombardi looking like the smart one.

I'm still waiting for SB to get the better end of a trade. Cheveldayoff (Dudley really) and Tallon must be laughing at those deals involving Campbell, Ladd, Buff, etc.
- moylander

See , the year right after the cup is not what Im upset about. The Hawks had ZERO leverage going into that summer.

Now this past season we were told that Campbell was traded to provide cap relief so we could add at the deadline. The Hawks needed a top 5 D and a C at the deadline, DIDN T GET A CENTER , lost in the 1st round of the playoffs with about 5Million in cap space left . This is what is unforgivable .

I'm still waiting for SB to get the better end of a trade. Cheveldayoff (Dudley really) and Tallon must be laughing at those deals involving Campbell, Ladd, Buff, etc.
- moylander

Hawks would still be cap strapped with Campbell

Bowman also got Leddy for Cam Barker

I'm far from 100% on Bowman, but I'm also fair and rational.

Like I've been saying , Id rather give Kane a sniper to work with but If the Hawks have decided to trade him there is nothing I can do about it. Nash ? Bobby Ryan ? Getzlaf ? If Montreal is the Trade partner you have to figure PRICE is not involved so PK Subban , Travis Moen and a pick ?? I don't know , If they do move Kane I hope it comes to a head quick, getting kind of sick of it.
- mrpaulish

It's no big deal to shop Kane just to see what he can bring back in trade and establish his current value in the market. It's like listing your house for sale for much more than you think it's worth, if you get the number you do it.

Call Howsan and talk about Nash; call Tallon and suggest Huberdeau; call Bar Stool Bob and bring up Bobby Ryan or Getzlaf's name; call Montreal and ask for Price and Subban; call Regier and ask for Meyers and Miller.

That kind of stuff goes on all of the time with GM's. Mostly nothing ever happens.

Now if Rocky has sent down the word to get rid of this kid ........ Stanbow has a gun to his head to both move him and get maximum value.

Hawks would still be cap strapped with Campbell

Bowman also got Leddy for Cam Barker

I'm far from 100% on Bowman, but I'm also fair and rational.
- pri$ey

Every GM has their share of hits and misses and many people here are ripping on a guy who is inexperienced in the role. I'm with you on being fair and rationale.

See , the year right after the cup is not what Im upset about. The Hawks had ZERO leverage going into that summer.

Now this past season we were told that Campbell was traded to provide cap relief so we could add at the deadline. The Hawks needed a top 5 D and a C at the deadline, DIDN T GET A CENTER , lost in the 1st round of the playoffs with about 5Million in cap space left . This is what is unforgivable .
- mrpaulish

The mistake wasn't adding more at the trade deadline, it was not adding the right pieces in the off season.

What teams got what they needed at the trade deadline?

The trade deadline is almost non exsistent now when it comes to filling major holes. A GM must do his work at the draft and during the off season.

I think you have to understand the dynamics of the Chicago market and how much the Hawks have invested in marketing their players—especially Kane and Toews—as their brand.

That IS an issue here.

There could also be more to the story.
- John Jaeckel

I get you want athletes to be a representation of your city, but I just dont understand the whole isolation of Pat Kane. I am sure there were far worse things that happend that weekend not involving Kane. Yet because Kane is a million dollar hockey player, he gets singled out.