Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 2/18/20 vs. CBJ

Step #1: Place Struggling player with Couturier
Step #2: ??????????????????????????????
Step #3: Profit

BILL

Can I put you on the spot?

Do the Flyers make a move or ride the team they have??

Comparing our forwards to their forwards (on paper), we should win.

BILL

Can I put you on the spot?

Do the Flyers make a move or ride the team they have??
- wcorvette

They will try. Again, though, to do anything significant, they'd have to clear space. Also, Chuck Fletcher has said both publicly and privately that past experience has taught him to be cautious when it comes to deadline rentals. Doesn't mean he won't do it, but I don't think he'll do it just because other teams have added players.

I am 100% okay with them not trading for any rentals this year.

I wouldn't mind a cheap veteran 4th line Center being added for depth/injuries. Brian Boyle comes to mind, but I know he's recently dealt with an injury? Great locker room guy too

They will try. Again, though, to do anything significant, they'd have to clear space. Also, Chuck Fletcher has said both publicly and privately that past experience has taught him to be cautious when it comes to deadline rentals. Doesn't mean he won't do it, but I don't think he'll do it just because other teams have added players.
- bmeltzer

No reason to get into an arms race because they're not likely contenders. But if it's a small move to upgrade the bottom-6, I'm not opposed. The only thing is that, nowadays, so many more teams are still "in it" at the TDL that there are fewer and fewer sellers. I just did a quick look at some of the teams a ways out and the best 3C/4C options I saw (without moving roster players the other way) are Brian Boyle and, honestly, Nick Cousins. And even their teams technically aren't in full sell mode.

Bogosian failed to report to Rochester, so he's suspended without pay.

If (IF) his contract becomes terminated either mutually or for breach of contract (not sure if this constitutes breach of contract), would you want to add him for under $1M as a 7/8D? He's never going to live up to being 3rd overall pick, but he's a big physical RHD who can actually skate fairly well.

I know he's not a needle mover, but if he became available and could be had for no assets other than cap space, I'm not opposed.

Bogosian failed to report to Rochester, so he's suspended without pay.

If (IF) his contract becomes terminated either mutually or for breach of contract (not sure if this constitutes breach of contract), would you want to add him for under $1M as a 7/8D? He's never going to live up to being 3rd overall pick, but he's a big physical RHD who can actually skate fairly well.

I know he's not a needle mover, but if he became available and could be had for no assets other than cap space, I'm not opposed.
- jmatchett383

We already have 7D. So if the Flyers don't make a move with a current defenseman, where would he play? Why would he report to LV?

By the way, he already became available.

We already have 7D. So if the Flyers don't make a move with a current defenseman, where would he play? Why would he report to LV?

By the way, he already became available.
- MJL

Yeah, but for a $5M cap hit.

The Flyers can't rely on Patrick being a contributor this season. Practicing is a good sign, but he hasn't been cleared for contact yet. Once he faces contact what are the odds the migraines return? I'm not a doctor, but I'd think it is a distinct possibility.

Bunnamann is not an NHL player on a playoff roster, they have to upgrade to a more useful player who can contribute. It's pretty disappointing considering the injuries that Frost can't secure a spot in the lineup.

Fletcher said last night at the Flyers town hall that Washington didn't want to trade Niskanen in the division, so they demanded he add a 2nd round pick, a good prospect, or retain $1m. And retaining was an easy choice.

Yeah, but for a $5M cap hit.
- arichardson22

Correct. I should've been more clear and included that fact

We already have 7D. So if the Flyers don't make a move with a current defenseman, where would he play? Why would he report to LV?

By the way, he already became available.
- MJL

Right now, including Ghost, the Flyers have a 21-man roster and a little over $2M cap space available. If Patrick comes back, his cap hit is under $1M. They could carry 8D and have him be #8.

And yes, he is available, but at his full $5M+ cap hit.

The Flyers can't rely on Patrick being a contributor this season. Practicing is a good sign, but he hasn't been cleared for contact yet. Once he faces contact what are the odds the migraines return? I'm not a doctor, but I'd think it is a distinct possibility.

Bunnamann is not an NHL player on a playoff roster, they have to upgrade to a more useful player who can contribute. It's pretty disappointing considering the injuries that Frost can't secure a spot in the lineup.
- PLindbergh31

I'm not a doctor, so I am legitimately asking, can migraines be caused by physical contact? I thought they were more brought on by mental stress, diet, and other non-contact causes. But I could be 100% wrong.

Also, if the Flyers make the playoffs with Bunny as the 4C (which I would say is not the optimal circumstance), then how is he not an NHL player on a playoff roster?

Fletcher said last night at the Flyers town hall that Washington didn't want to trade Niskanen in the division, so they demanded he add a 2nd round pick, a good prospect, or retain $1m. And retaining was an easy choice.
- Feanor

Yeah retaining is really the best choice out of those. Good to know he is willing to weaponize our cap space

Yeah retaining is really the best choice out of those. Good to know he is willing to weaponize our cap space
- HeeroYuy

I'm a fan of that, but not a fan of Schlemko using $600K of dead space next year.

I'm not a doctor, so I am legitimately asking, can migraines be caused by physical contact? I thought they were more brought on by mental stress, diet, and other non-contact causes. But I could be 100% wrong.

Also, if the Flyers make the playoffs with Bunny as the 4C (which I would say is not the optimal circumstance), then how is he not an NHL player on a playoff roster?
- jmatchett383

I remember earlier in the season a poster, maybe nastyflyergirl, was saying concussions can be suffered even without head contact; say a hit to your chest but makes your neck/head whip around. With this thinking in mind, I would assume (no doctor either) that physical contact could trigger or cause a migraine.

I'm not a doctor, so I am legitimately asking, can migraines be caused by physical contact? I thought they were more brought on by mental stress, diet, and other non-contact causes. But I could be 100% wrong.

Also, if the Flyers make the playoffs with Bunny as the 4C (which I would say is not the optimal circumstance), then how is he not an NHL player on a playoff roster?
- jmatchett383

If contact isn't a potential trigger for migraines why hasn't he been cleared for contact yet? I would think being slammed into by a 200+ pound player moving at 25mph+ could trigger migraines. Just based on logic.

Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 2/18/20 vs. CBJ
- bmeltzer

I look at half the Jackets roster and think to myself, “who are you people?”

I remember earlier in the season a poster, maybe nastyflyergirl, was saying concussions can be suffered even without head contact; say a hit to your chest but makes your neck/head whip around. With this thinking in mind, I would assume (no doctor either) that physical contact could trigger or cause a migraine.
- arichardson22

Right...but are migraines and concussions directly related?

If contact isn't a potential trigger for migraines why hasn't he been cleared for contact yet? I would think being slammed into by a 200+ pound player moving at 25mph+ could trigger migraines. Just based on logic.
- PLindbergh31

It could be because his lack of training hasn't made his body ready to be impacted in such a way without more rigorous training. I know my body isn't, and I'm not suffering from any head issues.

Just asking.

I'm not a doctor, so I am legitimately asking, can migraines be caused by physical contact? I thought they were more brought on by mental stress, diet, and other non-contact causes. But I could be 100% wrong.

Also, if the Flyers make the playoffs with Bunny as the 4C (which I would say is not the optimal circumstance), then how is he not an NHL player on a playoff roster?
- jmatchett383

I can say my neurologist and neurosurgeon both said to me as much as we know about the brain there is so much more we don't know. there is not one right answer. just depends on the person and how their brain/body reacts. as i mentioned before my docs didn't even want to make the claim that my aneurysm was causing the migraines or the 30 second blindness incidents that happened several times despite what logic says.

I remember earlier in the season a poster, maybe nastyflyergirl, was saying concussions can be suffered even without head contact; say a hit to your chest but makes your neck/head whip around. With this thinking in mind, I would assume (no doctor either) that physical contact could trigger or cause a migraine.
- arichardson22

worse concussion i ever had was when my shoulder clipped another shoulder slightly and my head whipped backwards. I was out of it to the point where my friends said i was talking gibberish. I don't remember much of any of it

Bunnamann is not an NHL player on a playoff roster, they have to upgrade to a more useful player who can contribute. It's pretty disappointing considering the injuries that Frost can't secure a spot in the lineup.
- PLindbergh31

Bunnaman has been playing well on what's been an effective 4th line of late, and Frost isn't a 4th line candidate. So it's not Bunnaman vs. Frost.

Are you going to play Frost over Couturier? No. Over Hayes? No. Switch Frost to wing? Maybe eventually, but they prefer him at center for right now.

OK, so do you play him at 3C? Maybe, if you move Laughton back to a wing (if so, do you do that at Farabee's expense?) or, if and when 4th line has a downturn, move Laughton to 4C.

Frost not being in an NHL spot right now isn't disappointing if you understand why he's better off with the Phantoms for right now. It was more disappointing that they let him sit a second game before sending him back to LV. If all they wanted was a game or two out of him until Farabee was ready to come back from his illness, they could have just given Vorobyev another brief callup.

I'm not a fan of yo-yoing prospects that you consider key parts of the future.