Sean Maloughney: Looking at Bowman's Awful Track Record As GM

Hope he trades Connor and Leon for Saad

Well done Sean thank you!!



Yeah three cups for Bowman in Chicago that really sucks he wants to bring that winning culture to EDM lol.

Could be the piece that gets them over the top finally.

You are so right on all points. The only reason he has a NHL job is because of his name. It’s Dale Tallon not Dave but he built the championship team.

But I still say oilers are one of the best teams in the west so they have a good chance to help pad this clowns Cup accumulation!

Good article thanks and good luck oilers !

Well done Sean thank you!!



Yeah three cups for Bowman in Chicago that really sucks he wants to bring that winning culture to EDM lol.

Could be the piece that gets them over the top finally.


- LordHumungous

Dude, did you actually read what he wrote? Bowman had nothing to do with those cups

Bowman’s situation reminds me of Brian Burke. Another terrible GM who’s value was inflated by an Anaheim cup that he had very little to do with

The difference is that Burke at least brought Pronger into the mix. And he wasn’t a scumbag who was complicit in multiple assaults on kids

Sean Maloughney: Looking at Bowman's Awful Track Record As GM
- freelancer

WAAAAHHHHHH😂😂😂😂😂

Excellent work, Sean. Thank you.
What a disgusting franchise.

Like I said when Bowman was hired, remove any off ice issues, there is no recent performance record to suggest he is qualified. Credit to him in his early stretch as a GM, but that is the same as Holland and Chiarelli. None were good for many years at their GM role prior to coming to EDM.

Horrible hire, doesn't matter what angle you look at it from. After a stellar off-season by Jackson, very disappointed with this move by him.

You get to the Stanley Cup finals, and you bring this guy in? That's taking a step backwards. Just because he has the last name of Bowman doesn't mean he's Scotty.

Once your blogs become infested with personal bias...I'm afraid it's time to move on.

Personally, I'm not interested in reading 11 months from now why a rookie missing curfew is somehow related to your opinion of Stan Bowman's past.

Move on or move over.

Dude, did you actually read what he wrote? Bowman had nothing to do with those cups

Bowman’s situation reminds me of Brian Burke. Another terrible GM who’s value was inflated by an Anaheim cup that he had very little to do with

The difference is that Burke at least brought Pronger into the mix. And he wasn’t a scumbag who was complicit in multiple assaults on kids
- AxlRose91

Dude, Many GM's inherit good cores but it still requires rounding out. Regardless he was able to provide complementary players so those teams could win 3 cups in 6 years in CHI. Put aside your judging and actually look at what was accomplished.

Once your blogs become infested with personal bias...I'm afraid it's time to move on.

Personally, I'm not interested in reading 11 months from now why a rookie missing curfew is somehow related to your opinion of Stan Bowman's past.

Move on or move over.
- JLO961

No

Bowman and Quenneville came onto the Hawks at precisely the right time which made them look better at their positions than they actually were. Holland and Babcock at
a similar opportune time with the Red Wings is a comparable situation.

Dude, Many GM's inherit good cores but it still requires rounding out. Regardless he was able to provide complementary players so those teams could win 3 cups in 6 years in CHI. Put aside your judging and actually look at what was accomplished.
- LordHumungous

This is the point I was going to make. It's a mirror image of the situation he was brought into in Chicago.

Take a team on the cusp, and fine tune it to get over the hump and then keep the core together over the next few years with trades and signings to keep the team at that competitive level.

Where this team is at, it maybe makes more sense to have a GM who's travelled this road already with success than to bring in a GM with less experience or with a different style.

I get it but I'm still not crazy about the signing. I wonder if any of the Oilers players were asked their opinion of Bowman joining the team?

This is the point I was going to make. It's a mirror image of the situation he was brought into in Chicago.

Take a team on the cusp, and fine tune it to get over the hump and then keep the core together over the next few years with trades and signings to keep the team at that competitive level.
- Oildrum

I would disagree that they are in the same position as Chicago was when Bowman took over as a GM. That Chicago team was on the upswing with a cost-control talented core entering their prime. Edmonton's core is older and less cost-effective. Not to say there aren't any parallels between the two, but I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison either.

What a simplistic, naive assessment, without any context. Conveniently omit the trades and signings that helped create the right supporting cast to win multiple Cups, and then focus on trades that were mostly cap-driven. Totally biased.

Just a couple of quick examples. You mention trading away Nick Leddy. After Toews and Kane signed extensions in 2014-15, he had to move Leddy to get under the cap. Leddy was a luxury with a core that already included Keith-Seabrook-Hjalmarsson-Oduya. Hawks won the Cup that season, without Leddy, but that's a minor detail. Also no mention of how they acquired Leddy in the first place. Bowman flipped 3rd overall pick Cam Barker for him four years earlier. Nice win dumping a bust from the Tallon era.

Then you mention Panarin. Hawks wanted to keep him but knew he was due for a huge pay raise that they couldn't afford. They knew DeBrincat was on the way on an ELC. So they made a tough decision on Panarin.

The point is, your entire assessment lacks context. Once McDavid and Draisaitl sign massive extensions, the Oilers will be faced with some of these same cap-driven decisions. Bowman has lived through that, with some mistakes, but also the success of tinkering with the supporting cast to win 3 Cups with his core.

Too bad your personal bias has now taken over and any true analysis is lost.

(Not towards the end of careers after the Cups - but the roles they played and their level of play at the time)

Kane
Toews
Sharp
Hossa
Versteeg
Saad
Bolland
Ladd
Madden
Keith
Seabrook
Campbell
Big Buff
Hjalmarsaon
Crawford

Vs

McJesus
Drais
RNH


Almost identical roster talent and depth! Basically a mirror image.


…diddlers gonna support diddlers eh

What a simplistic, naive assessment, without any context. Conveniently omit the trades and signings that helped create the right supporting cast to win multiple Cups, and then focus on trades that were mostly cap-driven. Totally biased.

Just a couple of quick examples. You mention trading away Nick Leddy. After Toews and Kane signed extensions in 2014-15, he had to move Leddy to get under the cap. Leddy was a luxury with a core that already included Keith-Seabrook-Hjalmarsson-Oduya. Hawks won the Cup that season, without Leddy, but that's a minor detail. Also no mention of how they acquired Leddy in the first place. Bowman flipped 3rd overall pick Cam Barker for him four years earlier. Nice win dumping a bust from the Tallon era.

Then you mention Panarin. Hawks wanted to keep him but knew he was due for a huge pay raise that they couldn't afford. They knew DeBrincat was on the way on an ELC. So they made a tough decision on Panarin.

The point is, your entire assessment lacks context. Once McDavid and Draisaitl sign massive extensions, the Oilers will be faced with some of these same cap-driven decisions. Bowman has lived through that, with some mistakes, but also the success of tinkering with the supporting cast to win 3 Cups with his core.

Too bad your personal bias has now taken over and any true analysis is lost.
- HockeyBuzzed

From the blog...

One common thing that many of these trades have in common is that the Hawks were dealing with cap constraints and had to make some tough calls on some players which resulted in some pretty lacklustre returns. That is exactly the position that the Edmonton Oilers may be finding themselves in in the next few years. Bowman has an embarrassingly poor track record of getting any return of value from these assets or stocking the cupboards in an impactful way for the future.

I recognize that many of those deals were made due to cap constraints but the return garnered on those deal were weak, did not give the Hawks any pieces to build on and were a large part of the Hawks being the lottery team they are today.

What a simplistic, naive assessment, without any context. Conveniently omit the trades and signings that helped create the right supporting cast to win multiple Cups, and then focus on trades that were mostly cap-driven. Totally biased.

Just a couple of quick examples. You mention trading away Nick Leddy. After Toews and Kane signed extensions in 2014-15, he had to move Leddy to get under the cap. Leddy was a luxury with a core that already included Keith-Seabrook-Hjalmarsson-Oduya. Hawks won the Cup that season, without Leddy, but that's a minor detail. Also no mention of how they acquired Leddy in the first place. Bowman flipped 3rd overall pick Cam Barker for him four years earlier. Nice win dumping a bust from the Tallon era.

Then you mention Panarin. Hawks wanted to keep him but knew he was due for a huge pay raise that they couldn't afford. They knew DeBrincat was on the way on an ELC. So they made a tough decision on Panarin.

The point is, your entire assessment lacks context. Once McDavid and Draisaitl sign massive extensions, the Oilers will be faced with some of these same cap-driven decisions. Bowman has lived through that, with some mistakes, but also the success of tinkering with the supporting cast to win 3 Cups with his core.

Too bad your personal bias has now taken over and any true analysis is lost.
- HockeyBuzzed

Precisely my point. I fear we will never again get an unbiased assessment of anything that happens with the Edmonton Oilers.

(Not towards the end of careers after the Cups - but the roles they played and their level of play at the time)

Kane
Toews
Sharp
Hossa
Versteeg
Saad
Bolland
Ladd
Madden
Keith
Seabrook
Campbell
Big Buff
Hjalmarsaon
Crawford

Vs

McJesus
Drais
RNH


Almost identical roster talent and depth! Basically a mirror image.


…diddlers gonna support diddlers eh
- Big23Questions

So you include guys like f6n Madden, Bolland, Ladd, Hjalmerson, and Campbell...but you leave out Hyman, Nurse, Ekholm, Kane, Bouchard, etc...

Probably THE worst argument from either side since the whole debate started. Wow...a special kind if LOSE on this one. Haha

So you include guys like f6n Madden, Bolland, Ladd, Hjalmerson, and Campbell...but you leave out Hyman, Nurse, Ekholm, Kane, Bouchard, etc...

Probably THE worst argument from either side since the whole debate started. Wow...a special kind if LOSE on this one. Haha
- JLO961

Hyman was an omission by mistake absolutely.

Bouchard has a shot. On PP. that’s it.

Kane is inconsistent.

Ekholm. Doesn’t move the needle like the others listed do.

I fear you as a fan will never give an unbiased assessment of the teams depth.

Whatever your argument is - the present McPower Plays will never line up depth wise like that team did. Not close.

….etc? Nope. That’s the team.

Hyman was an omission by mistake absolutely.

Bouchard has a shot. On PP. that’s it.

Kane is inconsistent.

Ekholm. Doesn’t move the needle like the others listed do.

I fear you as a fan will never give an unbiased assessment of the teams depth.

Whatever your argument is - the present McPower Plays will never line up depth wise like that team did. Not close.

….etc? Nope. That’s the team.
- Big23Questions

Ekholm and Bouchard were arguably the single best defensive pairing in the league. And I'm not a fan of EDM, that is just objective truth. Suggesting they are inconsequential would be every bit as misleading as ignoring Keith and Seabrook to CHI. EDM will never have the depth CHI had in the SC window. McDavid is also vastly superior to any player Bowman has ever had.

Ekholm and Bouchard were arguably the single best defensive pairing in the league. And I'm not a fan of EDM, that is just objective truth. Suggesting they are inconsequential would be every bit as misleading as ignoring Keith and Seabrook to CHI. EDM will never have the depth CHI had in the SC window. McDavid is also vastly superior to any player Bowman has ever had.
- jfkst1

I completely disagree with your personal assessment of the Ekholm/Slap Shot pairing being the best in the NHL.

It’s absurd to suggest that leaving out Keith and Seabrook (Team Canada/HoF calibre players) is similar to leaving out that pair. Insane. Ekholm is a good dmen absolutely and the best by far on that team but not even close to either one of tide legends.

Hyman was an omission by mistake absolutely.

Bouchard has a shot. On PP. that’s it.

Kane is inconsistent.

Ekholm. Doesn’t move the needle like the others listed do.

I fear you as a fan will never give an unbiased assessment of the teams depth.

Whatever your argument is - the present McPower Plays will never line up depth wise like that team did. Not close.

….etc? Nope. That’s the team.
- Big23Questions

What? How on earth can you omitt these guys but list support pieces like Madden, Bolland, Versteeg and Hjalmarson?

Despite Kane's fault he's 100% comparable to some of the guys listed, same with Ekholm and Bouchard. Even Skinner was really good at times.

Difference between EDM and CHI is that the CHI team was deeper. Also dont forget EDM was just 1 game away from a Stanley cup. EDM lost some depth which will hurt them but nothing they cant add at the deadline.

Ideally they shoiuld move Kane. I dont think he would have any issues waiving as he does not seem happy getting 3rd line minutes and frankly makes too much to be on the 3rd line. His attitude hasnt been great either.