Kamal Panesar: Max Pacioretty's New Contract and an NHL CBA Update

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Kamal Panesar: Max Pacioretty's New Contract and an NHL CBA Update
- Kamal Panesar

Agreed with your last sentence, fair deal for both sides.
And should put some pressure on PK as to how much he can get...
Both players are about the same age and have the same NHL experience, but Pax had a great year where PK didn't.

I hope the owners stand firm The players are making way too much money and the product isn't any better Nobody can score and it is getting to be like soccer on ice Hold firm Bettman Roll back ticket prices and reduce salaries

Agreed with your last sentence, fair deal for both sides.
And should put some pressure on PK as to how much he can get...
Both players are about the same age and have the same NHL experience, but Pax had a great year where PK didn't.
- fidopro

Well said and very true.

I think if Price got 6 years and Patches got 6 years, logic would dictate that Bergevin is trying to put together the same kind of deal for Subban.

And why not? Those are the only three untradeable players on the team right now. Moreover, they are the future of the team for the forseeable future so lock 'em in and build around them...

I hope the owners stand firm The players are making way too much money and the product isn't any better Nobody can score and it is getting to be like soccer on ice Hold firm Bettman Roll back ticket prices and reduce salaries
- holeinone

You think they are going to roll back ticket prices? Even if the league DOES get a reduction in overall player salaries, there is no way they are going to drop prices even a little.

The ticket cost is at the discretion of the individual teams and if the fans are coming out in droves, why would they lower prices?

You say the players are making too much money, but whose fault is that? The owners are the one agreeing to pay them this much and now they are say they are overpaid.

I don't disagree that salaries are too high but, just like before the last lockout, this is a situation caused by the owners, not the players.

Last time, the PA didn't have any public support, this time I think it's the league who is looking weak from a PR perspective.

We'll see how it all shakes out, and the league is likely to get at least a little salary reduction, but I think the PA really holds the long end of the stick this time around.

Well said and very true.

I think if Price got 6 years and Patches got 6 years, logic would dictate that Bergevin is trying to put together the same kind of deal for Subban.

And why not? Those are the only three untradeable players on the team right now. Moreover, they are the future of the team for the forseeable future so lock 'em in and build around them...
- Kamal Panesar

only difference is that Pacioretty and Price had to prove themselved on short-term deals after their ELC. Montreal might be taking the same approach with Subban. i don't mind signing Subban long term but he still needs to prove a bit before pulling down a 6-year deal north of $4 million per.

only difference is that Pacioretty and Price had to prove themselved on short-term deals after their ELC. Montreal might be taking the same approach with Subban. i don't mind signing Subban long term but he still needs to prove a bit before pulling down a 6-year deal north of $4 million per.
- DoubleDown

Can't argue with that and, in all honesty, that is probably what is holding things up.

Subban undoubtedly wants a long term deal while I wouldn't be surprised if the Habs were trying to get him to sign a 2-3 year agreement.

only difference is that Pacioretty and Price had to prove themselved on short-term deals after their ELC. Montreal might be taking the same approach with Subban. i don't mind signing Subban long term but he still needs to prove a bit before pulling down a 6-year deal north of $4 million per.
- DoubleDown

Agreed. But I would assume that if he signs a 6 years deal right now, the cap hit would be less than if he signs 2 years from now. Could be a good deal for the Habs...

Agreed. But I would assume that if he signs a 6 years deal right now, the cap hit would be less than if he signs 2 years from now. Could be a good deal for the Habs...
- fidopro

The only way the Habs could go long (6 years) is to significantly lower the cap hit. Subban would be getting term but considering he hasn't fully "established" himself the way Price and Patches did, I don't see him getting the big bucks.

And in that case there's no real point in Subban going that route.

To me a 2-3 year deal similar to Price's second contract (around $2.5-2.75 million per) are perfect. I'm not sure Subban's side agrees...

Can't argue with that and, in all honesty, that is probably what is holding things up.

Subban undoubtedly wants a long term deal while I wouldn't be surprised if the Habs were trying to get him to sign a 2-3 year agreement.
- Kamal Panesar

i'd say that is exactly what is holding a subban signing up. pacioretty signed a 2 year deal after his e.l.c. at pretty good money and that is realistically what subban should be signing. problem with a long term deal for subban is that his agent will undoubtedly want bigger money on the back end to buy off some of his ufa years. even though i think subban will be worth every penny, the habs likely feel he should prove himself worthy over the next few seasons of a long term deal. and i would concur.

i'd say that is exactly what is holding a subban signing up. pacioretty signed a 2 year deal after his e.l.c. at pretty good money and that is realistically what subban should be signing. problem with a long term deal for subban is that his agent will undoubtedly want bigger money on the back end to buy off some of his ufa years. even though i think subban will be worth every penny, the habs likely feel he should prove himself worthy over the next few seasons of a long term deal. and i would concur.
- rob121

He's already our best dman. Whatelse does he have to prove??

Can't argue with that and, in all honesty, that is probably what is holding things up.

Subban undoubtedly wants a long term deal while I wouldn't be surprised if the Habs were trying to get him to sign a 2-3 year agreement.
- Kamal Panesar

Signing Patches before PK was a great move by Bergy. First he shows players that a fair and unselfish deal can be made for the greater good of the team while breaking the mold of previous management ideals; signing an extension to someone who places a value on stability over money. This over time changes how players perceive playing in Montreal and builds a respected culture from the top down.

It's now time for PK to back up his words of wanting to stay in Montreal for his career.

Good blog Kamal.

I like the terms and the length of Max's contract. Very pleased.

As for the CBA situation, I'm kind of fed up with Bettman and the owners. I see a lockout ahead, they seem to be far from an agreement, and the deadline is a month away.

The can all go (frank) themselves. I'll watch junior hockey.

He's already our best dman. Whatelse does he have to prove??
- fidopro

consistentcy. maturity. i agree, he is our best dman but there's nothing wrong with a 2 year deal at 5.5 . if the consistency and maturity come, and at 25, then he'll get his long term contract the same way price did. that's just my opinion.

Kamal Panesar: Max Pacioretty's New Contract and an NHL CBA Update
- Kamal Panesar

While its nice to have guys extended long before they hit free agency, there is also a tradeoff involved as you have less of a sample from which to judge the player at the time of extension. So in this regard, one could argue a GM who waits to extend is actually maximizing the value of his assets by having a better picture of the players value. The other side of the argument however is the fact that a player like Pacioretty may continue to develop into a better player, worth more then the contract he was extended too. Pacioretty's contract seems like good value so long as Pacioretty continues to improve which seems likely. If he doesn't improve however, his salary may seem a little high in a few years.

He's already our best dman. Whatelse does he have to prove??
- fidopro

yeah thats like saying you're dating the cleanest hooker on the block. she might be cleaner than her colleagues, but she could still be plagued with chlamydia.

Agreed with your last sentence, fair deal for both sides.
And should put some pressure on PK as to how much he can get...
Both players are about the same age and have the same NHL experience, but Pax had a great year where PK didn't.
- fidopro

Saying PK had a bad season is a stretch, he's had a quality season but did not improve from the year before that and that's what was expected of him.

Saying PK had a bad season is a stretch, he's had a quality season but did not improve from the year before that and that's what was expected of him.
- PRICEless

Please find where I said he had a bad season...

yeah thats like saying you're dating the cleanest hooker on the block. she might be cleaner than her colleagues, but she could still be plagued with chlamydia.
- DoubleDown

talking from experience i see

Please find where I said he had a bad season...
- fidopro

Saying he didnt have a good season is pretty much equivalent to saying he had a bad one. You know, if it's not good, then it's bad.

Saying he didnt have a good season is pretty much equivalent to saying he had a bad one. You know, if it's not good, then it's bad.
- PRICEless

Please find where I said he didn't have a good season...

CAN YOU READ?

Agreed. But I would assume that if he signs a 6 years deal right now, the cap hit would be less than if he signs 2 years from now. Could be a good deal for the Habs...
- fidopro

This. They could save a lot right now. I am 99% sure Subban will bounce back. Too much skills.

This. They could save a lot right now. I am 99% sure Subban will bounce back. Too much skills.
- deadpoulet

To me, if PK improves, he'll deserve 6M+ in 2 years from now.
So why not sign him now at 4-4.5M for 6 years?
And if he doesn't improve, he'll have a fair contract. He's already worth that kind of money IMO.

Now, if he wants big money right away, I say suck it and sign him 2 years like Pax and Price did before him.

But that's just me.

Please find where I said he didn't have a good season...

CAN YOU READ?
- fidopro

C'est toi qui est ortho t'es même pas conscient de ce que t'écris...

"but Pax had a great year where PK didn't."