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Bernier for Coots?
Bernier for Matt Read is an overpayment, even more so considering Bernier isn't an essential addition. It'd be nice to have a young goaltending tandem, but not for that price.

I would rather just try and offersheet Bernier. Would only cost a 2nd. Flyers are not in a position to lose wingers such as Read at the moment. The Couturier proposal is an absolute joke

They want Coots? I'd wait and see how they like an offer sheet. I'd offer him Read and that's it. LA is cap strapped and Read is the real deal for a steal for at least one more year. Lord knows we can't afford him, Giroux, Schenn and Coots next year. If someone else wants to pay highway robbery prices, fine, We'll stick with Bryz, or better yet find someone else. There are a myraid of good goalies looking for work with proven top goalie NHL experience.

And I am reasonably sure the reporters are going to make it hell for us as well.

And I am reasonably sure the reporters are going to make it hell for us as well.
- MBFlyerfan

But of course...

Not trying to stir the pot, just wondering how the Flyers in their right mind can buy out Bryz? Doesn't he have something like 7 more years left at $5.7M per. Buyouts are 2/3 of remaining unpaid salary right? That's cutting a check to him for somthing like $27M!!!! That's pure insanity. I don't care how much money you have.

Throw on top of it the money to buy out Briere. They would be paying $35M for nothing other than cap relief. If this happens, someone should lose their job.

Not trying to stir the pot, just wondering how the Flyers in their right mind can buy out Bryz? Doesn't he have something like 7 more years left at $5.7M per. Buyouts are 2/3 of remaining unpaid salary right? That's cutting a check to him for somthing like $27M!!!! That's pure insanity. I don't care how much money you have.

Throw on top of it the money to buy out Briere. They would be paying $35M for nothing other than cap relief. If this happens, someone should lose their job.
- The Hip

Buffalo is a small potato type of town. The GDP of Buffalo may be slightly more than a $20 bill.

Think big pal. Philly is old money, not some dump with chicken wings, snow, and a plethora of losers.

If I were you, I would consider hitting the treadmill and moving from that dump.

Not trying to stir the pot, just wondering how the Flyers in their right mind can buy out Bryz? Doesn't he have something like 7 more years left at $5.7M per. Buyouts are 2/3 of remaining unpaid salary right? That's cutting a check to him for somthing like $27M!!!! That's pure insanity. I don't care how much money you have.

Throw on top of it the money to buy out Briere. They would be paying $35M for nothing other than cap relief. If this happens, someone should lose their job.
- The Hip

The Flyers make 27 million in a weekend.... Seriously though, over the course of 7 seasons it is actually quite low in the grand scheme of things.

Buffalo is a small potato type of town. The GDP of Buffalo may be slightly more than a $20 bill.

Think big pal. Philly is old money, not some dump with chicken wings, snow, and a plethora of losers.

If I were you, I would consider hitting the treadmill and moving from that dump.
- Daman

That was an awfully rude way to convey a true point. Philly has enough money to cover it.

If I'm trading coots to la I would do coots + this years 2nd and mez for bernier and voynov. Pretty fair for both teams and would fill needs for both Teams

If I'm trading coots to la I would do coots + this years 2nd and mez for bernier and voynov. Pretty fair for both teams and would fill needs for both Teams
- SMS4016

I don't think trading our best defensive forward for an offensive dman helps our defense, though. I'd rather it be Schenn. Or better yet, offer sheet them and keep all of our assets

Point blank, Dean Lombardi really isn't a position to demand much more than a second-round pick because of one thing: Jonathan Bernier's a restricted free agent. Just because you trade for his rights doesn't stop someone else from signing him to an offer sheet.

For instance, just say that the Flyers move Sean Couturier for Jonathan Bernier, straight up -- which just might be the dumbest thing ever, but let's just say that's what happens.

There's nothing, absolutely nothing, stopping the New York Islanders from signing Bernier to an offer sheet and promising him the starting job. Nothing.

Then you get to...what, then? Match the offer NYI would make, which would likely contain a poison pill? Or take a pick for, in essence, Sean Couturier -- and you don't get the goalie?

Uh, yeah. No. No. No. Lombardi has no leverage here. Everybody knows it.

Point blank, Dean Lombardi really isn't a position to demand much more than a second-round pick because of one thing: Jonathan Bernier's a restricted free agent. Just because you trade for his rights doesn't stop someone else from signing him to an offer sheet.

For instance, just say that the Flyers move Sean Couturier for Jonathan Bernier, straight up -- which just might be the dumbest thing ever, but let's just say that's what happens.

There's nothing, absolutely nothing, stopping the New York Islanders from signing Bernier to an offer sheet and promising him the starting job. Nothing.

Then you get to...what, then? Match the offer NYI would make, which would likely contain a poison pill? Or take a pick for, in essence, Sean Couturier -- and you don't get the goalie?

Uh, yeah. No. No. No. Lombardi has no leverage here. Everybody knows it.
- AllInForFlyers

The only leverage Lombardi has is that there will probably will be a few bidders for Bernier, and they may drive the price a bit.

That said, there's other options, so the Kings can't really force the deal unless another team has a massive hard on for Bernier.

I don't think trading our best defensive forward for an offensive dman helps our defense, though. I'd rather it be Schenn. Or better yet, offer sheet them and keep all of our assets
- JAKEw1234

If I could get Voynov & Bernier for Couturier, a 2nd rounder and a guy whose contract I'm trying to dump, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I doubt you could get Voynov alone for that package

That was an awfully rude way to convey a true point. Philly has enough money to cover it.
- JAKEw1234

Yes it was but awfully funny

If I could get Voynov & Bernier for Couturier, a 2nd rounder and a guy whose contract I'm trying to dump, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I doubt you could get Voynov alone for that package
- Jsaquella

Don't think Voynov is going anywhere but in reality a Couturier for Bernier and a draft pick should be considered. Bernier is ready for prime time and is a couple years away from his prime, the kid just needs a break. Some of these great young goalie prospects take years to get a chance. Can you imagine being Malcomb Subban now behind a young Rask and what's his name Svedberg?

The only leverage Lombardi has is that there will probably will be a few bidders for Bernier, and they may drive the price a bit.

That said, there's other options, so the Kings can't really force the deal unless another team has a massive hard on for Bernier.
- Jsaquella

as a kings fan, i'd take the bernier straight up for matt read deal (and hope he can play the left side). i can't imagine that coots would be part of that deal unless the kings also throw in one of the better prospects on the farm (linden vey maybe).

i still don't see either deal happening unless the flyers are worried that the devils will deal before they can offer sheet bernier...

4 years? Ugh. And no, The flyers aren't trading Couturier for Bernier. Honestly it seems stupid to even suggest it. I'd give up Read and if necessary a 2nd rounder. If that doesn't cut it then I'd move on. I'd consider Tim Thomas if he wants to come back to the NHL for a 1 yr deal. Then the following year either Mason is the starter or you try again to acquire someone else

I have a bad feeling they'll go after Bobby Lu.

Point blank, Dean Lombardi really isn't a position to demand much more than a second-round pick because of one thing: Jonathan Bernier's a restricted free agent. Just because you trade for his rights doesn't stop someone else from signing him to an offer sheet.

For instance, just say that the Flyers move Sean Couturier for Jonathan Bernier, straight up -- which just might be the dumbest thing ever, but let's just say that's what happens.

There's nothing, absolutely nothing, stopping the New York Islanders from signing Bernier to an offer sheet and promising him the starting job. Nothing.

Then you get to...what, then? Match the offer NYI would make, which would likely contain a poison pill? Or take a pick for, in essence, Sean Couturier -- and you don't get the goalie?

Uh, yeah. No. No. No. Lombardi has no leverage here. Everybody knows it.
- AllInForFlyers

True, but if you're him you're an idiot for not trying to make such demands. He'll fold the day before the deadline. Read and a pick (I think the 2nd is even a little ridiculous) is more than enough. However, Bernier may be more valuable to another team. Let them overpay instead if push comes to shove.

Don't think Voynov is going anywhere but in reality a Couturier for Bernier and a draft pick should be considered. Bernier is ready for prime time and is a couple years away from his prime, the kid just needs a break. Some of these great young goalie prospects take years to get a chance. Can you imagine being Malcomb Subban now behind a young Rask and what's his name Svedberg?
- flyerdude17

I wouldn't do that. Too much for him. Got to maximize the asset.

Point blank, Dean Lombardi really isn't a position to demand much more than a second-round pick because of one thing: Jonathan Bernier's a restricted free agent. Just because you trade for his rights doesn't stop someone else from signing him to an offer sheet.

For instance, just say that the Flyers move Sean Couturier for Jonathan Bernier, straight up -- which just might be the dumbest thing ever, but let's just say that's what happens.

There's nothing, absolutely nothing, stopping the New York Islanders from signing Bernier to an offer sheet and promising him the starting job. Nothing.

Then you get to...what, then? Match the offer NYI would make, which would likely contain a poison pill? Or take a pick for, in essence, Sean Couturier -- and you don't get the goalie?

Uh, yeah. No. No. No. Lombardi has no leverage here. Everybody knows it.
- AllInForFlyers

Obviously you work out an extension w/Bernier before consummating a deal w/Kings in the first place. Easy way to avoid situation you outline above.

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- tpanaccio

Shouldn't be in the market for a goalie. Shouldn't have gotten rid of Bobrovsky in the first place.

Don't give me that amnesty buyout bs either.

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- tpanaccio

again, while the flyers were unwilling to give up Couturier in the Webber deal, they are now supposed to give him up for an unproven goalie??