Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: LeClair vs. Kerr, Defensemen of the 2000s

Timonen, Carle, coburn, johnsson, desjardins


Sorry prongs but need at least 2 seasons worth of games

a Healthy Kerr and we would have had a parade down Broad Street in 87

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: LeClair vs. Kerr, Defensemen of the 2000s
- bmeltzer

Are some left off? For example, where is Meszaros?

Are some left off? For example, where is Meszaros?
- strongsupporter

An oversight, but frankly, he would have been another one getting 5 percent or less in the vote.

An oversight, but frankly, he would have been another one getting 5 percent or less in the vote.
- bmeltzer

I think he won the best defenseman trophy for the team a couple of years back.

I read many of the sites with interest and this is the only one I notice where an injured player is written off.
Most of the other sites and teams anticipate their return.

Too add, Leclare had the most goals stolen away from him due to that asinine foot in the crease rule. So not only did he play during the clutch and grab, trap era, he had to deal with an extra dose of NHL stupidity


Watching the 87 Finals game 7 the other night convinced me that Kerr would have scored at least 2 PPGs that game. Fuhr was sloppy with his rebound control, Flyers just couldn't convert. Sinisalo had 2-3 point blank chances.

Too add, Leclare had the most goals stolen away from him due to that asinine foot in the crease rule. So not only did he play during the clutch and grab, trap era, he had to deal with an extra dose of NHL stupidity


Watching the 87 Finals game 7 the other night convinced me that Kerr would have scored at least 2 PPGs that game. Fuhr was sloppy with his rebound control, Flyers just couldn't convert. Sinisalo had 2-3 point blank chances.
- KINGKENZO

How about at the tail end of that initial powerplay right after Craven scored, when Doug Crossman thought he was a skilled player and tried to deke past i believe it was Kevin Lowe and got stripped of the puck instead of putting it on net for a chance at a goal

I think he won the best defenseman trophy for the team a couple of years back.

I read many of the sites with interest and this is the only one I notice where an injured player is written off.
Most of the other sites and teams anticipate their return.
- strongsupporter

Being an 'injured player' is a bit different from being 'a repeatedly injured player with an expensive expiring contract on a team with too many defensemen operating over the salary cap.'

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: LeClair vs. Kerr, Defensemen of the 2000s
- bmeltzer

I went Timonen, Desjardins, Pronger, Johnsson, Coburn. Unfortunately for Hatcher, he arrived at the wrong time.

I think he won the best defenseman trophy for the team a couple of years back.

I read many of the sites with interest and this is the only one I notice where an injured player is written off.
Most of the other sites and teams anticipate their return.
- strongsupporter

Meszaros will be in the runoff poll for the final spot and the reserve spot. He had an excellent first season as a Flyer as a 20-min per game 5th D. As far as his injuries go, frequently injured players tend to continue getting hurt once they've developed a chronic medical issue. If he rebounds, great.

How about at the tail end of that initial powerplay right after Craven scored, when Doug Crossman thought he was a skilled player and tried to deke past i believe it was Kevin Lowe and got stripped of the puck instead of putting it on net for a chance at a goal
- Pyzik

There was so many what ifs from that game. I posted this the other night while I was watching but my favorite line of the game was Gene Hart saying

Hextall is down, I don't know why

Being an 'injured player' is a bit different from being 'a repeatedly injured player with an expensive expiring contract on a team with too many defensemen operating over the salary cap.'
- Coburns_Nose

27 years old, played 533 nhl regular season games.
Let me take a wild guess, he doesn't get your vote.

Imagine a line of Lindros Leclair and Kerr? I am slightly partial to Kerr being that I grew up watching those flyers teams.

Timonen, Pronger, Desjardins, Johnsson, Coburn

Crims, Pick bros?

27 years old, played 533 nhl regular season games.
Let me take a wild guess, he doesn't get your vote.
- strongsupporter

Its not like a video game where guys get injured then come back 100%. There is a good chance Mez is never 100% again. We have probably seen the best of Mez.

27 years old, played 533 nhl regular season games.
Let me take a wild guess, he doesn't get your vote.
- strongsupporter

He was durable until the last couple years but 3 major surgeries in a year - and growing worries that his shoulder issues are becoming a chronic risk - make his future durability a major question mark.

Meszaros will be in the runoff poll for the final spot and the reserve spot. He had an excellent first season as a Flyer as a 20-min per game 5th D. As far as his injuries go, frequently injured players tend to continue getting hurt once they've developed a chronic medical issue. If he rebounds, great.
- bmeltzer

The runoff should be very interesting.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: LeClair vs. Kerr, Defensemen of the 2000s
- bmeltzer

Looks like Coburn is siphoning a lot of votes from Chris Therien, who only had 8 really solid seasons in O&B.

Timonen, Pronger, Desjardins, Johnsson, Coburn

Crims, Pick bros?
- PhillySportsGuy

swear to god


the streak continues

Looks like Coburn is siphoning a lot of votes from Chris Therien, who only had 8 really solid seasons in O&B.
- Tomahawk

half of those were in the 90s
but yeah i considered bundy

Looks like Coburn is siphoning a lot of votes from Chris Therien, who only had 8 really solid seasons in O&B.
- Tomahawk

Therien played 5 seasons from 2000 onward. Coburn has played 6.5. They were both top 4 but Coburn hit his prime just as we traded for him. Therien was leaving his prime as the 2000s began. Coburn also contributed more offense since 2000.

If this poll was 'since '95, Therien would be ahead of Coburn.

swear to god


the streak continues
- Crimsoninja

I think the runoff will really be the determining factor for us. That's where the real debate will begin.

I wish there was a way we could find out who didn't pick Timonen. They should be tarred and feathered.

Therien played 5 seasons from 2000 onward. Coburn has played 6.5. They were both top 4 but Coburn hit his prime just as we traded for him. Therien was leaving his prime as the 2000s began. Coburn also contributed more offense since 2000.

If this poll was 'since '95, Therien would be ahead of Coburn.
- PhillySportsGuy

With that criteria, you could make a similar case for choosing Matt Carle over somebody like Desjardins.

I like Coby, but I don't think he's ever been as consistently effective defensively as Therien was, even toward the end of his time w/ the Flyers.