GARTH'S CORNER: Paradigm Shift

I understand the moves from a development standpoint, but those are basically wasted ELC years. Not sure why they'd wait (well, guess the management had a clue).

I understand the moves from a development standpoint, but those are basically wasted ELC years. Not sure why they'd wait (well, guess the management had a clue).
- jmatchett383

Zadorov didn't, he didn't play 10 games. Grigo was because of last year regardlesss of what happens now. Larsson and Risto have 2-way deals, the "not losing an entry level year" thing only applies to those in juniors I believe.

@BillHoppeNHL 5m

Talk in #Sabres dressing room about youngsters being given spots instead of earning them.

this is laughable.

the kids were outgunned, our veterans were (frank)ing lazy!

Grigo won't develop in the Q, last year when they sent him back, it was like shooting fish in a barrel for him. Rasmus can play in the NHL, AHL won't hurt. Nolan is thinking win now, keep his job. We're back to chasing 8th place. It will be interesting what GM they choose.

so how did they end up keeping grigo in rochester doesnt he have to go to the ramparts?

so how did they end up keeping grigo in rochester doesnt he have to go to the ramparts?
- nazz4226

"Grigo also can go to Rochester for a two week conditioning assignment before he goes back to juniors."


Please don't make me read a Garth blog again.

"Grigo also can go to Rochester for a two week conditioning assignment before he goes back to juniors."


Please don't make me read a Garth blog again.
- BackSlider

Oh lol im sorry can they (quebec) get rid of his contract then? because it sounds like he will not be going back there after his two week stint. I read somewhere that Nolan said they are going to bring him back to BUffalo

Oh lol im sorry can they (quebec) get rid of his contract then? because it sounds like he will not be going back there after his two week stint. I read somewhere that Nolan said they are going to bring him back to BUffalo
- nazz4226

The Rempart have already 2 euro on their roster. Most likely to gave them time to work their roster or to trade him.

Grigo won't develop in the Q, last year when they sent him back, it was like shooting fish in a barrel for him. Rasmus can play in the NHL, AHL won't hurt. Nolan is thinking win now, keep his job. We're back to chasing 8th place. It will be interesting what GM they choose.
- DGrant

I don't know about "win now" I think it's more of "get the youngsters a taste of the nhl and get them pissed and wanting to play hard to come back." Also, you need the personnel to "win now" and we're basically an ahl team...

Grigo won't develop in the Q, last year when they sent him back, it was like shooting fish in a barrel for him. Rasmus can play in the NHL, AHL won't hurt. Nolan is thinking win now, keep his job. We're back to chasing 8th place. It will be interesting what GM they choose.
- DGrant

Nolan doesn't want to coach. Give him a bunch of 3rd line vetrans and they will play 500 hockey.

Grigo won't develop in the Q, last year when they sent him back, it was like shooting fish in a barrel for him. Rasmus can play in the NHL, AHL won't hurt. Nolan is thinking win now, keep his job. We're back to chasing 8th place. It will be interesting what GM they choose.
- DGrant

The guy pretty much explained his reasoning yesterday. Can't forcefeed teenagers if they're not ready. Which clearly some of them are not. Love Zadorov, he will be a great force for us. In the future. Same with Risto. Larsson will be a fantastic top niner. Grigorenko wasn't even playing. Why let him rot up here. He can at least be playing in juniors then next year he can play in Rochester if necessary. Never thought I'd say this but it's time to give Luke Adam a chance (again) and McNabb. The only entry level we've burned was Grigorenko's. It's fine. Don't worry about it.

@BillHoppeNHL 5m

Talk in #Sabres dressing room about youngsters being given spots instead of earning them.

this is laughable.

the kids were outgunned, our veterans were (frank)ing lazy!
- FIREonICE

More like the kids were out gunned, and the veterans had absolutely no desire to play for Ron Rolston.

The guy pretty much explained his reasoning yesterday. Can't forcefeed teenagers if they're not ready. Which clearly some of them are not. Love Zadorov, he will be a great force for us. In the future. Same with Risto. Larsson will be a fantastic top niner. Grigorenko wasn't even playing. Why let him rot up here. He can at least be playing in juniors then next year he can play in Rochester if necessary. Never thought I'd say this but it's time to give Luke Adam a chance (again) and McNabb. The only entry level we've burned was Grigorenko's. It's fine. Don't worry about it.
- TheSabresTaco

I know I get flack for not being a Ted Nolan supporter, but there are a lot of "non-Crosby" teenager types playing in this league and holding their own. They aren't dominating, but the gap in training, skill-level, etc. is a lot narrower than it was when he last coached here.

Grigostinko.

Nolan doesn't want to coach. Give him a bunch of 3rd line vetrans and they will play 500 hockey.
- Pillar

stupid statement....ribit ribit

More like the kids were out gunned, and the veterans had absolutely no desire to play for Ron Rolston.
- buffalofan19

this is probably true but I just find it funny that players on a last place team that are also playing poorly, hence the last place team status, are complaining about rookies not earning spots. Hell, I like Ott but once Vanek was traded he clearly stopped giving a damn and all of a sudden decided to show up when Nolan came. Yes, they probably did it to get Rolston fired, but yikes!

I know I get flack for not being a Ted Nolan supporter, but there are a lot of "non-Crosby" teenager types playing in this league and holding their own. They aren't dominating, but the gap in training, skill-level, etc. is a lot narrower than it was when he last coached here.
- buffalofan19

I understand where you're coming from. There's also the point of earning vs giving ice time. Grigs isn't ready, that's clear. Zadorov could probably play D on some teams but not this one. Yes I like him more than Weber and McBain but they aren't going anywhere for now. We probably could keep Risto here to play 40 games and alternate with the 6-7 D. But why bother if he can play top 4 in Roch? Same with Larsson. I can see Nolan has more of an old school approach as opposed to Rolston, but I still agree with these moves. The teens in this league now for the most part are holding their own. MacKinnon, Jones, Maata, Galchenyuk, Girgensons (albeit the least offensively talented), Yakupov supposedly, Monahan, Barkov.. these are top pick rookies and first rounder second years. All of which for the most oart have held their own. If you're sitting on a bench, you're not developing. Simple as that.

this is probably true but I just find it funny that players on a last place team that are also playing poorly, hence the last place team status, are complaining about rookies not earning spots. Hell, I like Ott but once Vanek was traded he clearly stopped giving a damn and all of a sudden decided to show up when Nolan came. Yes, they probably did it to get Rolston fired, but yikes!
- FIREonICE

Mission Accomplished!

this is probably true but I just find it funny that players on a last place team that are also playing poorly, hence the last place team status, are complaining about rookies not earning spots. Hell, I like Ott but once Vanek was traded he clearly stopped giving a damn and all of a sudden decided to show up when Nolan came. Yes, they probably did it to get Rolston fired, but yikes!
- FIREonICE

Just like Myers, Staff and even Ennis. Not gonna get started on the whole "they're millionares playing a game for a living so they should bust their balls every single-shift" rant...but I think I just did.

I understand where you're coming from. There's also the point of earning vs giving ice time. Grigs isn't ready, that's clear. Zadorov could probably play D on some teams but not this one. Yes I like him more than Weber and McBain but they aren't going anywhere for now. We probably could keep Risto here to play 40 games and alternate with the 6-7 D. But why bother if he can play top 4 in Roch? Same with Larsson. I can see Nolan has more of an old school approach as opposed to Rolston, but I still agree with these moves. The teens in this league now for the most part are holding their own. MacKinnon, Jones, Maata, Galchenyuk, Girgensons (albeit the least offensively talented), Yakupov supposedly, Monahan, Barkov.. these are top pick rookies and first rounder second years. All of which for the most oart have held their own. If you're sitting on a bench, you're not developing. Simple as that.
- TheSabresTaco

My problem with the whole development argument is that the "earning" part is a little far fetched. There should be one question, and one question only, when it comes to whether or not a player is kept at the NHL level, or sent to the AHL/Juniors. Is my team a better one with that young player on it? If the answer is yes, then he should stay. If the answer is no, then he should be sent down. Right now, I believe that Ristolainen is a better defenseman than Tallinder, McBain, and probably Mike Weber as well. That's why I have an issue with him going to the AHL.

Just like Myers, Staff and even Ennis. Not gonna get started on the whole "they're millionares playing a game for a living so they should bust their balls every single-shift" rant...but I think I just did.
- LandlordTom

It's human nature. If you don't like who you are working for, you aren't going to give it your all. Yes, it's easy to say "he's making millions, he should try hard all the time", but there's also this question: "why make millions and be miserable when I can make just as many millions and not be miserable, like a lot of my peers?"

That being said, I think you were going to see this team come out like gangbusters if they'd have fired Ron Rolston, and had nobody behind the bench coaching them (it would be kind of comical to watch, actually). I think it had little to do with Nolan himself. Most of these guys didn't know who Nolan was, and Nolan didn't know who most of these guys were. The question is going to be: can Nolan get these guys to maintain that enthusiasm all season.

Just like Myers, Staff and even Ennis. Not gonna get started on the whole "they're millionares playing a game for a living so they should bust their balls every single-shift" rant...but I think I just did.
- LandlordTom

Is it just me or has Myers looked totally f'n awesome lately.

Is it just me or has Myers looked totally f'n awesome lately.
- TheSabresTaco

YES!!!! Finally moving up and playing a little offense. Looks more confident carrying the puck.

I understand where you're coming from. There's also the point of earning vs giving ice time. Grigs isn't ready, that's clear. Zadorov could probably play D on some teams but not this one. Yes I like him more than Weber and McBain but they aren't going anywhere for now. We probably could keep Risto here to play 40 games and alternate with the 6-7 D. But why bother if he can play top 4 in Roch? Same with Larsson. I can see Nolan has more of an old school approach as opposed to Rolston, but I still agree with these moves. The teens in this league now for the most part are holding their own. MacKinnon, Jones, Maata, Galchenyuk, Girgensons (albeit the least offensively talented), Yakupov supposedly, Monahan, Barkov.. these are top pick rookies and first rounder second years. All of which for the most oart have held their own. If you're sitting on a bench, you're not developing. Simple as that.
- TheSabresTaco

If he can't play for this one who could he play for?