Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers Prospects in Game Action, Roenick, Quick Hits

I don't know why but I have a very good feeling about this Oskar Lindblom kid. Seems like a very solid late round pick. Also just a feeling but I have high hopes for Bellamare too coming into the season.

Kyle Calder. Good Lord. Eight years isn't enough to forget just how awful that guy was for the Flyers.

Kyle Calder. Good Lord. Eight years isn't enough to forget just how awful that guy was for the Flyers.
- AllInForFlyers

I forgot until you mentioned him. Thanks.....

Kyle Calder. Good Lord. Eight years isn't enough to forget just how awful that guy was for the Flyers.
- AllInForFlyers

That was a disaster. He seemed like he didn't even care.

Well, except about his wings at the carnival. Those he seemed to really like.

Hard to think which guy I hated more as a Flyer: Kyle Calder or Mike York.

Might be Calder, if only because we gave up Zeus to get him and I always liked Michal Handzus.

I hated York because he seemed to kill the Flyers as a Ranger, yet was terrible when the Flyers had him.

Hard to think which guy I hated more as a Flyer: Kyle Calder or Mike York.

Might be Calder, if only because we gave up Zeus to get him and I always liked Michal Handzus.

I hated York because he seemed to kill the Flyers as a Ranger, yet was terrible when the Flyers had him.
- johndewar

Handzus went on to be a very productive player for years. That makes it even worse.

Hard to think which guy I hated more as a Flyer: Kyle Calder or Mike York.

Might be Calder, if only because we gave up Zeus to get him and I always liked Michal Handzus.

I hated York because he seemed to kill the Flyers as a Ranger, yet was terrible when the Flyers had him.
- johndewar

This.

BTW: Bill, did you just start a Morin/Ekblad debate?

Jk I know it's not what you were reporting.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers Prospects in Game Action, Roenick, Quick Hits
- bmeltzer

Dear lord, we flipped Handzus for Kukkonen and Klotz...

Kyle Calder. Good Lord. Eight years isn't enough to forget just how awful that guy was for the Flyers.
- AllInForFlyers

He's definitely a contender for my all time worst Flyers list!

Dear lord, we flipped Handzus for Kukkonen and Klotz...

- BiggE

Can't believe klotz never turned into anything

There was so much promise of him getting his face punched in consistently when they drafted him

He's definitely a contender for my all time worst Flyers list!
- BiggE

I'll tell you what: I thought Daigle and Falloon were better than Calder, and that's saying something.

And Calder was better than Geoff Sanderson, who is EASILY my least favorite Flyer, EVER.

Kyle Calder. Good Lord. Eight years isn't enough to forget just how awful that guy was for the Flyers.
- AllInForFlyers

Lasse Kukkonen and Garrett Klotz for him was a monumental steal. To emphasize how bad he was, I repeat: acquiring Lasse Kukkonen and Garrett Klotz for him was a steal. Garrett Klotz.

I'll tell you what: I thought Daigle and Falloon were better than Calder, and that's saying something.

And Calder was better than Geoff Sanderson, who is EASILY my least favorite Flyer, EVER.
- AllInForFlyers

Which metric are you using to judge this? Because I can't figure out where you're coming from. At least Sanderson was fast. And came much cheaper. And landed us Lupul/Smith (along with Pitkanen).

Lasse Kukkonen and Garrett Klotz for him was a monumental steal. To emphasize how bad he was, I repeat: acquiring Lasse Kukkonen and Garrett Klotz for him was a steal. Garrett Klotz.
- jmatchett383

Yeah that says it all

Which metric are you using to judge this? Because I can't figure out where you're coming from. At least Sanderson was fast. And came much cheaper. And landed us Lupul/Smith (along with Pitkanen).
- jmatchett383

There can be no worst Flyer ever than Billy Tibbets. None. Ever. He was the poster child for complete and total scumbag!

Can't believe klotz never turned into anything

There was so much promise of him getting his face punched in consistently when they drafted him
- Just5

Didn't he once go into seizures from getting beat up so badly?

Didn't he once go into seizures from getting beat up so badly?
- jmatchett383

While playing hockey?

There can be no worst Flyer ever than Billy Tibbets. None. Ever. He was the poster child for complete and total scumbag!
- BiggE

Well, that also takes into account his off-ice play. But yes, he got booed at home games because of how horrible a person and player he was. Also could not find a way to root for Ulf Samuelsson or Marc Bureau because of their past. I also never liked Roman Vopat, but that's because he made Gino Odjick look like Pavel Bure. But I think some of the people on here are too young to have strong memories of those guys.

While playing hockey?
- Just5

Yeah, it was a fight like 2 seconds into a game.

Edit: Yep. Here ya go, a fight against Westgarth (can't see the seizures):

There can be no worst Flyer ever than Billy Tibbets. None. Ever. He was the poster child for complete and total scumbag!
- BiggE

He's pretty awful, but he was pretty much hated the second the Flyers acquired him. There were really no expectations....I mean, other than the bad PR hit the organization took for picking that kid up (although, it retrospect, the organization has given other hard luck cases second chances, but this one was a bit much IMO).

Kyle Calder was actually a name that could allegedly play the game a little bit. There were actually expectations for Calder when he got here, which he fell woefully short of.

Yeah, it was a fight like 2 seconds into a game.

Edit: Yep. Here ya go, a fight against Westgarth (can't see the seizures):


- jmatchett383

That was scary. Was Klotz an epileptic?

Because I'm pretty sure being a hockey enforcer (such as he was and attempted to be) is not something that would help that condition.

He's pretty awful, but he was pretty much hated the second the Flyers acquired him. There were really no expectations....I mean, other than the bad PR hit the organization took for picking that kid up (although, it retrospect, the organization has given other hard luck cases second chances, but this one was a bit much IMO).

Kyle Calder was actually a name that could allegedly play the game a little bit. There were actually expectations for Calder when he got here, which he fell woefully short of.
- johndewar

I remember the uproar when Tibbetts was acquired. My fiance at the time, who was a huge Flyers fan, had been a victim of abuse, and she lost her mind when they picked him up.

He was convicted of statutory rape of a 15 year old when he was 17. And then spent 39 months in prison 3 years later for witness intimidation and assault and battery.

A real prize winner this one was.

I remember the uproar when Tibbetts was acquired. My fiance at the time, who was a huge Flyers fan, had been a victim of abuse, and she lost her mind when they picked him up.

He was convicted of statutory rape of a 15 year old when he was 17. And then spent 39 months in prison 3 years later for witness intimidation and assault and battery.

A real prize winner this one was.
- MBFlyerfan

truly he was a role model to role models everywhere

That was scary. Was Klotz an epileptic?

Because I'm pretty sure being a hockey enforcer (such as he was and attempted to be) is not something that would help that condition.
- johndewar

That game was a rare Phantom TV game here in Philly. I remember being pretty jacked to see phenom defensive Dman Ryan Parent play. He looked good, Klotz did not. Klotz just got careless and ate a monster punch from Westgarth. One of the things.