Ryan Wilson: The Two Best Realistic Trade Options For The Penguins The Two Best Realistic Trade Options For The Penguins

If you wanna do well, stay away from Leafs players.

Both options are very low risk moves, but both would also have very little impact. Unless we can move Sutter in one of those deals, I would pass on both.


WWJJD



F Sutter

I know Ill get heat for this...but as both a Penguins and Sabres fan, I always thought if Pittsburgh ever got a hold of Drew Stafford, theyd never regret it

Ryan Wilson: The Two Best Realistic Trade Options For The Penguins
The Two Best Realistic Trade Options For The Penguins
- Ryan_Wilson

Ryan, I know you aren't a fan of answering stuff here, but I want to ask.

Should E Kane have surgery, would he then become a prime target for the Penguins to try and acquire around the Draft? At that time we will know most likely our cap situation for the next season, including the question marks on Martin, Ehrhoff, and Dupuis.

Both options are very low risk moves, but both would also have very little impact. Unless we can move Sutter in one of those deals, I would pass on both.


WWJJD



F Sutter
- nbartley9

Damn it, I hate agreeing with bartley... but he's right imo.

only caveat is if they go after someone like tlusty first and then get either of the two mentioned...

But if they are going to trade sutter then a bigger name should be coming back... I'm not saying 1 for 1 but something along the lines of the kane deal mentioned yesterday...

Ryan, I know you aren't a fan of answering stuff here, but I want to ask.

Should E Kane have surgery, would he then become a prime target for the Penguins to try and acquire around the Draft? At that time we will know most likely our cap situation for the next season, including the question marks on Martin, Ehrhoff, and Dupuis.
- Guile

I was just thinking this as well. You have to think they are going to move him when they can. I think this might be the icing on the cake

Both options are very low risk moves, but both would also have very little impact. Unless we can move Sutter in one of those deals, I would pass on both.


WWJJD



F Sutter
- nbartley9

Both are a massive upgrade to our depth... however, Getting Berg would almost require us to get a new 3rd line center (Winnik for argument sake), since the cap space would certainly mean Sutter was shipped out for him. We might have to overpay for a 3rd line center after a solid trade.

I was just thinking this as well. You have to think they are going to move him when they can. I think this might be the icing on the cake


- znagle

Isn't that the paper that said Crosby got arrested over the summer when he was about 3000 miles away? If so... that holds no water

Both are a massive upgrade to our depth... however, Getting Berg would almost require us to get a new 3rd line center (Winnik for argument sake), since the cap space would certainly mean Sutter was shipped out for him. We might have to overpay for a 3rd line center after a solid trade.
- Guile

Is he a ufa? Bc that's what I don't want... we don't have a 1st so I don't ant to trade sutter to someone who will walk in summer when the pens can still use him until a good trade comes around...

Anyway they would do spaling for berg?

Is he a ufa? Bc that's what I don't want... we don't have a 1st so I don't ant to trade sutter to someone who will walk in summer when the pens can still use him until a good trade comes around...

Anyway they would do spaling for berg?
- nh4442

Both are UFA after this season... so that is a downside. Spaling for Berg I think should fit in our cap space, but would not appease Bartley.

Both are UFA after this season... so that is a downside. Spaling for Berg I think should fit in our cap space, but would not appease Bartley.
- Guile

Haha well then we trade sutter for kane still lol

He'd fit right in being on ir and all

Same old, same old.

Pens have two world class talents. They have a couple of other good players. But, for the most part, this is an AHL roster on the 3rd and 4th lines. Talking about players like Winnik is clear evidence that some believe that upgrading the AHL quality of lines 3 and 4 might somehow make a difference.

Hard reality is the Pens are as good as most teams in the league because of their top talent. It allows them to compete tough every night of the regular season. But their competitiveness has declined since their Cup win.

It is naive to think that you can succeed in the playoffs going head to head against a good four line team.

Few options here..

Stay with what we got, pray we stay healthy. We are a good team when healthy.

Perron-Sid-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Geno-Comeau
Downie-Sutter-Bennett
Spaling-Lapierre-Arcobello/Adams/Farnham/Rust


Trade Sutter/Spaling for Berg +

Perron-Sid-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Geno-Comeau
Bergenheim-Sutter/Spaling/Arcobello-Bennett
Spaling/Downie-Lapierre-Adams/etc

Trading Sutter for Berg+/Winnik+ and Bennett for Berg+/Winnik+

Perron-Sid-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Geno-Comeau
Bergenheim-Winnik-Spaling
Downie-Lapierre-Adams/Arcobello/Rust/Farnham

I like the way the last grouping looks. Top lines are the scoring lines, bottom 6 still very capable of scoring while being a female dog to play against while being defensively responsible and driving possession. Lets face it, the two weak links are 19 and 16. Those + deals could mean a few draft picks or maybe another depth player or prospect back in the deals.

Isn't that the paper that said Crosby got arrested over the summer when he was about 3000 miles away? If so... that holds no water
- Guile

Lol most likely.. Although this is Kane in his teams city.. with all that's left of his fans yesterday. Basically after what happened in the past few days plus this that will kill most of his fans there.

Same old, same old.

Pens have two world class talents. They have a couple of other good players. But, for the most part, this is an AHL roster on the 3rd and 4th lines. Talking about players like Winnik is clear evidence that some believe that upgrading the AHL quality of lines 3 and 4 might somehow make a difference.

Hard reality is the Pens are as good as most teams in the league because of their top talent. It allows them to compete tough every night of the regular season. But their competitiveness has declined since their Cup win.

It is naive to think that you can succeed in the playoffs going head to head against a good four line team.
- spatso

While I would agree with you in the past 5 seasons, our bottom 6 is leagues above what it has been. When healthy, there are no "AHL players" on the bottom 6 other than Adams, who seems to never leave

I know Ill get heat for this...but as both a Penguins and Sabres fan, I always thought if Pittsburgh ever got a hold of Drew Stafford, theyd never regret it
- Ripped Fuel

I hear he was on the Fan590 and said is was always his dream to be a Penguin

Few options here..

Stay with what we got, pray we stay healthy. We are a good team when healthy.

Perron-Sid-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Geno-Comeau
Downie-Sutter-Bennett
Spaling-Lapierre-Arcobello/Adams/Farnham/Rust


Trade Sutter/Spaling for Berg +

Perron-Sid-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Geno-Comeau
Bergenheim-Sutter/Spaling/Arcobello-Bennett
Spaling/Downie-Lapierre-Adams/etc

Trading Sutter for Berg+/Winnik+ and Bennett for Berg+/Winnik+

Perron-Sid-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Geno-Comeau
Bergenheim-Winnik-Spaling
Downie-Lapierre-Adams/Arcobello/Rust/Farnham

I like the way the last grouping looks. Top lines are the scoring lines, bottom 6 still very capable of scoring while being a female dog to play against while being defensively responsible and driving possession. Lets face it, the two weak links are 19 and 16. Those + deals could mean a few draft picks or maybe another depth player or prospect back in the deals.
- znagle

I believe the Penguins will have a better lineup coming up next season, with a lot more flexibility cap wise than we are used to having. But, we also want to win now, and upgrades like this should make us a legit cup favorite with a real bottom 6. Not just a "better than we've had in 5 years" bottom 6.

Move Sutter for picks to clear some cap space

Use picks/B level prospects to get Bergenheim and Winnik


Perron-Crosby-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Bennett
Bergenheim-Spaling-Comeau
Winnik-Lappiere-Downie


4 very solid lines and an actual bottom 6 that could contribute

Move Sutter for picks to clear some cap space

Use picks/B level prospects to get Bergenheim and Winnik


Perron-Crosby-Hornqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Bennett
Bergenheim-Spaling-Comeau
Winnik-Lappiere-Downie


4 very solid lines and an actual bottom 6 that could contribute
- gdsmack267

I don't see Bennett in the top 6, especially with Comeau near returning and Beau in a HORRID slump. More likely he gets packaged in one of the trades if they occur.

Damn it, I hate agreeing with bartley... but he's right imo.

only caveat is if they go after someone like tlusty first and then get either of the two mentioned...

But if they are going to trade sutter then a bigger name should be coming back... I'm not saying 1 for 1 but something along the lines of the kane deal mentioned yesterday...
- nh4442

Haha thanks

I honestly think that the writing is on the wall with BB, im pretty sure he is done as a Penguin; the management has soured on him pretty quickly.

I believe the Penguins will have a better lineup coming up next season, with a lot more flexibility cap wise than we are used to having. But, we also want to win now, and upgrades like this should make us a legit cup favorite with a real bottom 6. Not just a "better than we've had in 5 years" bottom 6.
- Guile

Agreed. I feel like we will sign a 3mil a year dman in the off season to replace both Martin and Hoff. That would open up 7 million to resign BB (cheap) Downie (1.5?) Comeau (1.75-2) that leaves us with around 4 million to either resign Berg and Winnik (trades pending) or land some more depth. The thing we can't do next season, is trade draft picks. Deadline deal next year of Sutter leaving if he doesn't now should net us some picks as well. Of course that would be if we have Sundqvist to replace him. Another thing that should really help our depth is Kapanen next year also. Next year we will be in a great spot. This year, go for the home run and grab Winnik and Bergenheim.

I believe the Penguins will have a better lineup coming up next season, with a lot more flexibility cap wise than we are used to having. But, we also want to win now, and upgrades like this should make us a legit cup favorite with a real bottom 6. Not just a "better than we've had in 5 years" bottom 6.
- Guile

That's too late, if we don't win the Cup this season or at least make the Final, this team will be totally destroyed, and I think that will include Malkin leaving town.

You can have Stafford, send a one way plane ticket or a can of oil and he's your's.

That's too late, if we don't win the Cup this season or at least make the Final, this team will be totally destroyed, and I think that will include Malkin leaving town.
- nbartley9

We will trade or publicly execute Sutter. So all will be good, happy?

Agreed. I feel like we will sign a 3mil a year dman in the off season to replace both Martin and Hoff. That would open up 7 million to resign BB (cheap) Downie (1.5?) Comeau (1.75-2) that leaves us with around 4 million to either resign Berg and Winnik (trades pending) or land some more depth. The thing we can't do next season, is trade draft picks. Deadline deal next year of Sutter leaving if he doesn't now should net us some picks as well. Of course that would be if we have Sundqvist to replace him. Another thing that should really help our depth is Kapanen next year also. Next year we will be in a great spot. This year, go for the home run and grab Winnik and Bergenheim.
- znagle

I don't see us signing a free agent Dman honestly. Next season should return Letang, Maatta, Despres, Scuds, and Bortuzzo. If we are not confident enough in having 2 of our 3 "good" rookie Dmen playing next season (I don't think Bort will be up all the time), then we are a failure of an organization with those draft picks.

So, now we got 10 million to resign Bennett (if he even is still here), Downie and Comeau should be around 3 million combined like you said. But now we have 6 mil to keep Berg and Winnik (or whoever is or might have been obtained). Lets say we only keep Winnik. With the possible cap increase, that should bump us to over 5 mil.... and now we can land E Kane ^_^

But yeah, you were pretty spot on for most in how I am viewing this.