Ryan Wilson: Fixing the Roster: Signing Justin Williams Fixing the Roster: Signing Justin Williams

Too old..pass. Dont forget Scuds is old and tied up for more years.

FA sucks, outside Frolik there aren't many good options and he will cost $5+ not sure if thats worth it.

Gotta make a trade.

This does not seem like the type of investment where you see the full return. You might get everything you pay for seasons 1-3, but by seasons 4 and 5 of the deal you are getting a third line winger for 5+ AAV.

In Pittsburgh we cannot make these types of investments, we already made too many of them. We need bargains, Bergenheims and Condra's.

This does not seem like the type of investment where you see the full return. You might get everything you pay for seasons 1-3, but by seasons 4 and 5 of the deal you are getting a third line winger for 5+ AAV.

In Pittsburgh we cannot make these types of investments, we already made too many of them. We need bargains, Bergenheims and Condra's.
- usethe1-2-2

I like Bergenheim but he hasn't done much for MINN this year. I thought he would step it up a notch, maybe he will be cheaper?

I would move on from Winnik, Downie, Comeau though. Keep Lap as a 4C.

Currently the pens need 3 RW and 1 LW. Here are some options via trade or RFA that interest me:

RW
Silverberg - RFA
Etem - RFA

Reaves - 1.125 - 4th liner/pressbox playable intimidation
Ratti - 800k prospect
Oshie - 4.127

Eberle - 6

Kassian - 1.75

Stafford - 3-4 ufa

Sharp - 5.9 would have take back a combination of our older expensive guys, even if we eat a mil or two.

Eaves - 800k ufa


LW:

JVR - 4.25

We already have a Williams on the roster. His name is Kunitz. We can't afford to add another declining, aging player.

Sure would love to have him on a one year deal, but we all know that won't happen. I can't say I'm confident that JR won't do something stupid however. Every Duck game I watch reminds me that he's absolutely capable of idiocy.

I like Bergenheim but he hasn't done much for MINN this year. I thought he would step it up a notch, maybe he will be cheaper?

I would move on from Winnik, Downie, Comeau though. Keep Lap as a 4C.
- sammy87

Berg is going to be cheap because of his usage recently. I would be more than willing to take a chance. I like Condra, but he is a righty, so that probably won't fly.

I'm a fan of Winnik and Comeau, but I refuse to overpay, they are replaceable pieces.

Lap is, IMO, the easiest player to replace on this roster.

In response to brienstel since quotes aren't working, one of the only players I would deal Pouliot for is JVR. It would take a package deal to get him though.

Current the pens need 3 RW and 1 LW. Here are some options via trade or RFA that interest me:

RW
Silverberg - RFA
Etem - RFA

Reaves - 1.125 - 4th liner/pressbox playable intimidation
Ratti - 800k prospect
Oshie - 4.127

Eberle - 6

Kassian - 1.75

Stafford - 3-4 ufa

Sharp - 5.9

Eaves - 800k ufa


LW:

JVR - 4.25
- brienstel

What are you trading for those guys?

Sharp too old and too $$$, Eberle is way too soft for this team.

Agree w/RW in that he's too old, will want too much term, and will cost too much. Some team will throw 4 years, $20 mill his way, if not more. Pass.

I'll keep saying it...mini rebuild is the only way out of this to get back to being a true Cup contender as opposed to a team with 5 or so top players surrounded by crap.

Trade Sutter, Spaling, Kunitz, and perhaps even Perron. Get as many picks as you can for those guys. This is a deep draft. 2nd round picks have value this year.

Fill in with youth, cheap UFAs. Struggle this season and perhaps next. But, you build some assets to them move forward with the last 5 or so years of 87 and 71 being top 10 players.

If they plan on being a Cup contender next season, then you have to trade either Maatta or DP and get a top 6 forward in return. You can then build out from there.

We already have a Williams on the roster. His name is Kunitz. We can't afford to add another declining, aging player.

Sure would love to have him on a one year deal, but we all know that won't happen. I can't say I'm confident that JR won't do something stupid however. Every Duck game I watch reminds me that he's absolutely capable of idiocy.
- madmike71

Despres is a beast. I was fuming watching him run over Calgary last night

In response to brienstel since quotes aren't working, one of the only players I would deal Pouliot for is JVR. It would take a package deal to get him though.
- znagle

I'd move either DP or Maatta for JVR.

Agree w/RW in that he's too old, will want too much term, and will cost too much. Some team will throw 4 years, $20 mill his way, if not more. Pass.

I'll keep saying it...mini rebuild is the only way out of this to get back to being a true Cup contender as opposed to a team with 5 or so top players surrounded by crap.

Trade Sutter, Spaling, Kunitz, and perhaps even Perron. Get as many picks as you can for those guys. This is a deep draft. 2nd round picks have value this year.

Fill in with youth, cheap UFAs. Struggle this season and perhaps next. But, you build some assets to them move forward with the last 5 or so years of 87 and 71 being top 10 players.

If they plan on being a Cup contender next season, then you have to trade either Maatta or DP and get a top 6 forward in return. You can then build out from there.
- 87_71_11_29

Sutter Spaling and Kunitz could free up a lot of space, but I don't think trading Perron is in our best interest.
Also, Maatta and DP can't be touched. We screwed the pooch with Despres, can't trade either one of those two.

What are you trading for those guys?

Sharp too old and too $$$, Eberle is way too soft for this team.
- sammy87

Not proposing exact trades just guys of interest. Agree with you that Sharp is pricey and too old - i could remove him but if CHI were interested in Scuds and Spaling or a combination of our salary gaffes and aging players where we took a mil or two back, then I'd consider it.

Disagree on Eberle. Personally I think he's the real gem in EDM, until McD shows up.

Berg is going to be cheap because of his usage recently. I would be more than willing to take a chance. I like Condra, but he is a righty, so that probably won't fly.

I'm a fan of Winnik and Comeau, but I refuse to overpay, they are replaceable pieces.

Lap is, IMO, the easiest player to replace on this roster.
- usethe1-2-2

IMO Lap was 1 of 4 players that played well in the playoffs this year. He really stepped up his game. Id keep him, he's not killing you as a 4C, decent on the draw and kills penalties.

Comeau will not resign. Someone will offer him way more than he's worth after last years production.

I doth follow other teams hardly at all anymore, so I can't throw too many bottom 6 options out there.

Sutter Spaling and Kunitz could free up a lot of space, but I don't think trading Perron is in our best interest.
Also, Maatta and DP can't be touched. We screwed the pooch with Despres, can't trade either one of those two.
- usethe1-2-2

If you were a GM what would you really offer for Kunitz?

If you're taking DP off the table that leaves Sutter as the only Pen that you can move that has any type of value and that perceived value is highly debatable. For the right player I put DP in the package.

Again, freeing up space this year doesn't mean a whole lot to the Pens. FA sucks and not worth tying up some of these players.

I'd move either DP or Maatta for JVR.
- 87_71_11_29

JVR might be the best value player in the league right now. It would hurt but I'd seriously consider those moves too.

I'd move either DP or Maatta for JVR.
- 87_71_11_29

Yeah JVR is one player I REALLY want. Young winger on a great contract. Wish we still had our first and could package a deal at the draft for him..

I have a feeling the Kings won't be able to do anything about Voynov on their own. They'll probably keep pseudo-LTIR'ing him until the trial makes progress. Eventually, I think Bettman moves to cancel the contract.

In short, yeah, I don't think they have enough cap maneuvers available in LA to keep JWill.

Agree w/RW in that he's too old, will want too much term, and will cost too much. Some team will throw 4 years, $20 mill his way, if not more. Pass.

I'll keep saying it...mini rebuild is the only way out of this to get back to being a true Cup contender as opposed to a team with 5 or so top players surrounded by crap.

Trade Sutter, Spaling, Kunitz, and perhaps even Perron. Get as many picks as you can for those guys. This is a deep draft. 2nd round picks have value this year.

Fill in with youth, cheap UFAs. Struggle this season and perhaps next. But, you build some assets to them move forward with the last 5 or so years of 87 and 71 being top 10 players.

If they plan on being a Cup contender next season, then you have to trade either Maatta or DP and get a top 6 forward in return. You can then build out from there.
- 87_71_11_29

Moving everyone for 2nd and 3rd round picks might pay off in 3 years. By that time 71 will be in his early 30's. The young guys on ELC's the Pens need should have been drafted in 12', 13' so they can contribute now.

IMO Lap was 1 of 4 players that played well in the playoffs this year. He really stepped up his game. Id keep him, he's not killing you as a 4C, decent on the draw and kills penalties.

Comeau will not resign. Someone will offer him way more than he's worth after last years production.

I doth follow other teams hardly at all anymore, so I can't throw too many bottom 6 options out there.
- sammy87

I've never been big on Lap, I think he can be replaced by any number of players on the free agent market, but that is just me.

Comeau is likely to sign elsewhere for term, which I wouldn't give him unless it's like a 3year 3mill 1millAAV type deal.

As for bottom six help, trading Sutter for a younger winger prospect who is NHL ready could free up 2+mill without losing a roster spot. Spaling could be dumped for a mid round pick. It won't be easy but it can be done.

I have a feeling the Kings won't be able to do anything about Voynov on their own. They'll probably keep pseudo-LTIR'ing him until the trial makes progress. Eventually, I think Bettman moves to cancel the contract.

In short, yeah, I don't think they have enough cap maneuvers available in LA to keep JWill.
- BulliesPhan87

I think i saw his wife was not testifying against him?

Unfortunately this is more common in Russia.

This does not seem like the type of investment where you see the full return. You might get everything you pay for seasons 1-3, but by seasons 4 and 5 of the deal you are getting a third line winger for 5+ AAV.

In Pittsburgh we cannot make these types of investments, we already made too many of them. We need bargains, Bergenheims and Condra's.

Bergenheim and Condra's are great for the bottom 6 but we really need some bonafide top 6 help. I really like Bergenheim, in particular. But gotta focus on top 6.

Williams is a really tough case, I desperately want to get younger and faster. If we trimmed all the deadweight off the roster (Kunitz, Scuderi, Spaling, +Martin and Ehrhoff gone) I wouldnt mind giving him $4M for up to 3 years because we would have plenty of cap space to work with. But some GM will throw him stupid money/term.

I dont think Williams is THE solution. He's a decent plan B.

Yeah JVR is one player I REALLY want. Young winger on a great contract. Wish we still had our first and could package a deal at the draft for him..
- znagle

if i'm a GM, i take JVR at 3 years for $4.25 over a fat ass kessel at 6/7 more (whatever it is) for $8 mil.

shanny has said he plans to keep JVR, but it has to be grandstanding. Why would we keep him? he'll walk in 3 years when he's a UFA and we are still in a deep rebuild.

i think he gets moved and i bet he gets us our best return, even better than kessel.

I've never been big on Lap, I think he can be replaced by any number of players on the free agent market, but that is just me.

Comeau is likely to sign elsewhere for term, which I wouldn't give him unless it's like a 3year 3mill 1millAAV type deal.

As for bottom six help, trading Sutter for a younger winger prospect who is NHL ready could free up 2+mill without losing a roster spot. Spaling could be dumped for a mid round pick. It won't be easy but it can be done.
- usethe1-2-2

Again, freeing up space for picks and prospects doesn't help next year. Spaling and Sutter only have 1 yr left and most likely will do more for the team next season than that pick or prospect will. Not sure what next years FA class looks like, but the better play could be to just ride those guys out.