Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: The Management Team is Still Learning the P.R. Ropes After getting hammered for their moves at the draft, the Vancouver Canucks management team continues to navigate choppy waters as they overshare in an attempt to justify their actions thus far.

Linden Vey needs to go = weakest link

Why would Canuck fans care about what the Bloggers and Fans of other teams think...?

like a Penguins fan?

because I live in BC and watch most of their games

Personally, I think the Canucks have gone about their rebuild wrong

In hindsight, rather than overachieving last year and getting bounced from the playoffs first round, wouldn't it have been better to:

Not sign Miller/Vrbata/etc, embrace the rebuild and be sellers at the deadline?

Miss the playoffs and end up with another Top 5 pick like last year with Virtanen?
(Imagine Strome/Hanafin/Marner as a Canuck today...)

Using assets (Draft Picks) acquired by being sellers at last years deadline to make a move like Calgary did in acquiring Dougie Hamilton...

Canucks are currently trending into Leaf territory, where bunch of mediocre seasons prevents them from building enough top tier talent through the draft to be real competitors for the cup in the next few years (think 3-5 seasons from now)

As much as it pains Canuck fans, if they had fully embraced a rebuild, they could receive a huge haul for the Sedins if they offered to trade them both to the same contender and keep 50% of each contract as well as taking back a bad contract or 2

Use those assets to acquire young guys like Hamilton/Saad/etc to build the next real cup contender

like a Penguins fan?

because I live in BC and watch most of their games
- mr.sir

I;m not talking about you, read the article

The Blogger is concerned by what fans of other teams think, Why care?

I live in BC, Pens fan 1st, Nucks fan #2

My thoughts on a comment from last thread

VAN finished with 101pts last year, LA-95, DAL-92 both missed the playoffs. Does Lucic (LA), Sharp (Dal) make their teams better next season? Will VAN get 101pts next year?
- VanHockeyGuy

Lucic will have an impact. Sharp has kinda been going down hill. He'll definitely add to Benn, Seguin, Spezza etc. But until they get a solid D-core and a real number 1 goalie I really dont see them as a threat.

Its like the blue jays. All offense, nothing more.

Sharp had a pretty good season last year ...injuries effected him this year and he still had decent numbers ...wouldn't surprise me if he has a good year in an offensive minded Dallas system

The problem with the Canucks is not their management but the media and the fans.

Wouldn't it be refreshing to have a GM or President tell the media and fans to shut the (frank) up.

While I've been watching hockey for 40+ years, and often am left scratching my head with what goes on, I do not pretend I know better than someone who actually makes their living working in some capacity of hockey operations.

Much like how I don't tell my dentist how to do his job; if I don't like his opinion, I seek a second from another dentist, not another (frank)ing patient or the media.

BTW, Carol, your articles are great!

Higgins for Robidas

Great post! We have the worst fans and media in the league....I attend most games and it's embarrassing...cheering for Lack when Miller is in net....etc etc. classless, idiotic fans

Edmonton should have been bidding on Sharp. A winning veteran presence in the room.

TL's gaffe of basically saying Higgins is untradeable was the biggest gaffe of the night. This managements group pr persona is pretty easy going but I think they should tighten it up a little bit. The less you speak, the less chance of your feet jumping in.

They can still be engaging, just a bit more tight lipped about operations.

I wonder if the press box will be Kenins, Clendening and Corrado. Expecting Sven to be a mainstay in the lineup, but foresee him, Kenins, Vey being scratches in and out of the lineup.. and the usual injuries.

Is the Clendening-Forsling trades still a good trade for the Canucks? Liked the idea of it at the time, but Clendening has to improve his skating and get some ice time.

No

Edmonton should have been bidding on Sharp. A winning veteran presence in the room.

TL's gaffe of basically saying Higgins is untradeable was the biggest gaffe of the night. This managements group pr persona is pretty easy going but I think they should tighten it up a little bit. The less you speak, the less chance of your feet jumping in.

They can still be engaging, just a bit more tight lipped about operations.

I wonder if the press box will be Kenins, Clendening and Corrado. Expecting Sven to be a mainstay in the lineup, but foresee him, Kenins, Vey being scratches in and out of the lineup.. and the usual injuries.

Is the Clendening-Forsling trades still a good trade for the Canucks? Liked the idea of it at the time, but Clendening has to improve his skating and get some ice time.
- hillbillydeluxe

Yes. Forsling is a long shot to make the AHL let alone the NHL. clendenning is close to ready for the show now

The problem with the Canucks is not their management but the media and the fans.

Wouldn't it be refreshing to have a GM or President tell the media and fans to shut the (frank) up.

While I've been watching hockey for 40+ years, and often am left scratching my head with what goes on, I do not pretend I know better than someone who actually makes their living working in some capacity of hockey operations.

Much like how I don't tell my dentist how to do his job; if I don't like his opinion, I seek a second from another dentist, not another (frank)ing patient or the media.

BTW, Carol, your articles are great!
- pmg2008

If the media and fans aren't talking about you, then you are irrelevant. If this was football, in a big market in the states, it would be worse.

If you have a concern with a medial practitioner, you should be able to voice it before having to seek a second opinion. Not be afraid to say something. It isn't about the medical practitioner's ego, it is about your health.

We are all Canucks. Sounds like the club is inviting fans to be part of something, and if you are going to be part of it, you will want to have a voice. Whether what you say is valid or if anyone listens is another story.

Cheers. (not a good day sir, sort of cheers, more of a smile and a nod. need to be patient to see how some of JB's moves work out.)

Yes. Forsling is a long shot to make the AHL let alone the NHL. clendenning is close to ready for the show now
- CanuckDon

That was the reasoning I thought was behind acquiring Clendening. maybe he will be in and out of the lineup a bit. I just hope he gets a real good opportunity.

WD can be stubborn.

That was the reasoning I thought was behind acquiring Clendening. maybe he will be in and out of the lineup a bit. I just hope he gets a real good opportunity.

WD can be stubborn.
- hillbillydeluxe

He is definitely a stubborn man but the kids need to earn the ice....the Oilers are a demonstration of how to not develop young talent. I'm pleased Benning and Willie have a polar opposite approach

He is definitely a stubborn man but the kids need to earn the ice....the Oilers are a demonstration of how to not develop young talent. I'm pleased Benning and Willie have a polar opposite approach
- CanuckDon

I liked listening to Green talk about players getting their chances and playing through mistakes and growing pains. Sticking with the player. Sometimes you do have to sit them, but you have to expect there will be mistakes. Vets often make mistakes, thinking of the dmen more than forwards but they all do.

The nice thing about Clendening, Corrado, Sven and Kenins to a lesser extent, but all these players have played in the ahl for a little while, and are +/- 22 years old, and are a little seasoned (I think Kenins was playing pro for Hartley in europe). Oilers sometimes forget the ahl is an option for their kids.

I agree, if they're ready and they can contribute, the team will find a way to have them and keep them on the main roster (see Horvat). If they aren't, then they go back to junior or the AHL and work on what they need to work on until they can be brought back up or wait until next year's training camp.

The rebuild is coming. They are not trending like the Leafs did in the past. They've drafted 5 1st rd picks in the last 3 years (Horvat, Shinkaruk, Virtanen, McCann and Boeser). 2 of those picks were top 10.

What will ultimately decide the pace of their rebuild is the 2016 NHL trade deadline.
Where will Van be in the standings? Will they be in the position to move out expiring contracts (Hamhuis, Vrbata, Prust, Weber, Bartkowski)? Teams overpay at deadline.

Will Van have the guts to trade some of these assets even if they are fighting for a playoff spot?

The worst thing that could happen would be Van having a similar season, to last year. Having Benning remain status quo at deadline. Then lose some or all of the UFA's for nothing.

Next years draft is vital. Build on the previous 5 1st rd picks. To have the ability to draft 2 to 3 times in the 1st rd and 3 to 4 times in the 2nd would speed up this rebuild. While pleasing the "draftists" of Vancouver.

Out of those picks I would urge them to use the first few on D prospects. As the cupboard looks great at F. Not so much on D.

I was at the summer summit. I ate alot. Roast beast sangy avec horseradish mmmmmmm. They kept running out of beer.

Is it only July?

As a matter of policy as a GM I would move players I do not intend to resign in the last year left on their deal at the deadline regardless of my teams position in the standings or outlook on playoff success

My doing so and continually benefiting from overpayment via draft picks, My team would be in the position to have young players step up and fill the void, most likely without missing a beat (There would be a reason I would not be resigning said veteran player in the first place)

The amount of top draft picks given away at the deadline from Contenders and Pretenders is staggering (And the Pretenders tend to be the ones that overpay)

A guy like Vrbata could net a 1st, Hamuis a second and a 4th, Prust a 3rd,

These picks add up fast

As a matter of policy as a GM I would move players I do not intend to resign in the last year left on their deal at the deadline regardless of my teams position in the standings or outlook on playoff success

My doing so and continually benefiting from overpayment via draft picks, My team would be in the position to have young players step up and fill the void, most likely without missing a beat (There would be a reason I would not be resigning said veteran player in the first place)

The amount of top draft picks given away at the deadline from Contenders and Pretenders is staggering (And the Pretenders tend to be the ones that overpay)

A guy like Vrbata could net a 1st, Hamuis a second and a 4th, Prust a 3rd,

These picks add up fast
- TheGame316

Ahh NO.

He is the nucks only defenseman that would get a first at the deadline.

Multiple picks and a prospect. Guys a beast.

Ahh NO.

He is the nucks only defenseman that would get a first at the deadline.
- classic321

I hope so....us Canuck fans constantly overate our players. Hamuis is a solid dman but quite overrated.
The market will dictate the return, basic supply and demand economics. Some years D are the hot commodidity, sometimes it's scoring or grit. Let's hope the stars align and we win big with Hamhuis and Vrbatta

I hope so....us Canuck fans constantly overate our players. Hamuis is a solid dman but quite overrated.
The market will dictate the return, basic supply and demand economics. Some years D are the hot commodidity, sometimes it's scoring or grit. Let's hope the stars align and we win big with Hamhuis and Vrbatta
- CanuckDon

Hamhuis would defintelly fetch a 1st IMO ...vrbata too ...I've been down on a lot of Canucks players thrown into trades but these two have appeal to contending teams