John Jaeckel: Is This Kane’s Last Year As A Hawk?

John Jaeckel: Is This Kane’s Last Year As A Hawk?
- John Jaeckel

I think the hawks just have one more argument to deal Kane as the scapegoat player to resolve their never ending cap issues.

I think the hawks just have one more argument to deal Kane as the scapegoat player to resolve their never ending cap issues.
- Alexzanki

That's a bit overly simplistic. Scapegoat? That would be dumb.

As long as Mr. Bowman gets a decent trade package for him

You will never ever get full value for Kane

There is no player like him on the planet

"As long as Mr. Bowman gets a decent trade package for him

You will never ever get full value for Kane

There is no player like him on the planet"


If the last statement is true, then why wouldn't the first be true as well?

>At this point, everything about Kane is just speculation
>Here's mine
>Kane lived with Stan Bowman when Stan was fighting for his life
>Ate Fruit Loops with Stan's kids in the morning
>Kane will be a Hawk long term (McD will get outvoted time after time)

>At this point, everything about Kane is just speculation
>Here's mine
>Kane lived with Stan Bowman when Stan was fighting for his life
>Ate Fruit Loops with Stan's kids in the morning
>Kane will be a Hawk long term (McD will get outvoted time after time)
- SnapitUpstairs

I hear there's one very substantial vote now on McD's side. FWIW.

But you may be right. Again, they will not decide this today or tomorrow or next week.

"As long as Mr. Bowman gets a decent trade package for him

You will never ever get full value for Kane

There is no player like him on the planet"


If the last statement is true, then why wouldn't the first be true as well?
- John Jaeckel

I am sure he will get a great package but it probably will not be seen as a fair value because Kane is Kane

What would an ideal package for Kane be JJ?

A young RW top prospect
A number 4 dman that could mature into a top pairing guy

A First? Two Firsts?

That's a bit overly simplistic. Scapegoat? That would be dumb.
- John Jaeckel

How so ? don't the hawks have to deal all these good players because of salary cap management?

Maybe I should of qualified him a salary cap casualty.

Kane for a stud young defenseman and ___________ and I'm all for it. It makes sense all around IMO.

Can't wait until this horse is buried, because the beating of said horse is growing tiresome.

I hear there's one very substantial vote now on McD's side. FWIW.

But you may be right. Again, they will not decide this today or tomorrow or next week.

JJ

Do you think a player like Toews gets to voice his or the players' opinion in a case like this? I realize it is slippery slope but in this rare circumstance, I wonder if considering something like that makes sense. Sure the coaches and others see the dynamics of the team but they aren't a part of it in the same way.

The Stupidest thing the world would be to trade him as was previously mentioned, you'll never get the full value for him. You have a great player. He's not been charged with anything. It will take time, but when he's scoring game winning goals, I think all will be forgotten.

I still dont see much of anything other than A. A rape rumor was created with no charges filed and B. Eventually the girls lawyer quit her case because her family lied/created fake tampered evidence. Those are the 2 main facts about this recent incident. Will more come out? Its not impossible, but i highly doubt at this point(given how bad the girls side has appeared in recent weeks) there could be something that leads to charges(and further negative publicity) for Kane.

Now, if you want to say this is about his past, thats different. In those occasions he was out in public and seen/reported by witnesses in some way shape or form acting out. But not this time. So, if its about his past then how come nobody wanted him traded up until this recent event? I think that is where everyone is getting twisted, and not realizing how much this rumor driven by vast media attention has altered their perception. Kane up until this August was seen as an untouchable cornerstone face of the franchise, with not a single fan(that i know of) considering him otherwise, regardless of his past. Not anymore. Really sucks.

John Jaeckel: Is This Kane’s Last Year As A Hawk?
- John Jaeckel

No. The off ice issues that he has pale in comparison to what he has brought to Chicago.

If Kane does remain a Blackhawk, but the cap does NOT go up, besides Crawford who else is the logical trade candidate?

THAT is his trade value - Cap space!

I hear there's one very substantial vote now on McD's side. FWIW.

But you may be right. Again, they will not decide this today or tomorrow or next week.
- John Jaeckel

>My take is that if everything "returns" -- not sure there is a word to really describe it -- to normal -- for the rest of the season
>Hawks will not actively look to move Kane
>And any actual trade after those year-long circumstances would have to be close to fair value by the other team for Kane
>But rival GMs will be offering Stan one-sided deals in their favor -- which equals -- Kane stays

I understand the rationale for a Kane or young stud defenseman "plus" trade. But let's talk specific ideas before we judge if it would be a good trade or not.

You can't trade Kane until the situation is resolved, that would be a mistake. It's a risk because if he's found guilty then Stan loses leverage and the return will be less. But make a move now could (and I stress could) mean trading an innocent guy based on an accusation. A guy that's been an integral part of 3 championship teams and is a very unique forward.

I'm all for trading anyone but I can't see a realistic trade for Kane that would make sense. I hope the evidence shows Kane in innocent and the stays with the team for a long time.

Now, I agree with JJ's take on the Blackhawk management being upset with Kane almost (or maybe past) the point of wanting to move him, and unlike some who seem not to recognize the problems of celebrity (and, yes, branding and corporate image) in the 21st century, I can understand and appreciate their reasoning.

But to say that a top-5 offensive force in the league is somehow redundant on the ice is absurd, even if the Panerins / TTs / Danos come through.

They may be able to continue winning without Kane (if a lot of "ifs" wind up happening), but to say (imply) they would be somehow better without Kane on the ice - that is going a step too far.
- StLBravesFan

Absolutely Kane has been the catalyst of the second line for years, remarkably average or aging players surround him (except for Sharpie and Saad) and he still scored almost a point a game, never really had a 2nd line center.

I'm at a point now where I hope this awakens Kane to be a more responsible young man and have the ability to steer clear of these situations, hopefully he learned something from this, and finds a support group if that is what he needs to help him along. If he does not then we have 2 to 3 years before he places himself in another compromising position and hopefully, Panarin, TT or Dano become the next dynamic player in the league making the front offices job easier if this is the path Kane decides to choose.

Prediction: In the 'Hawks effort to keep things very close to the vest, one Mr. Patrick Kane will be doing exactly as the FO says he'll do. And months from now, perhaps even a couple years from now, we'll find out the work Kane did and the help he received to get on the straight arrow.

This is not to say the 'Hawks will not consider moving him. If they are really moved by an offer and SB has his ear to the "cap growth", you can bet your bottom dollar it'll be considered. And if they do move Kane, it'll come out of the sky blue and many folks will be surprised saying, "WTF".

I'm going to choose to look at this more logistically...what team can and is willing to take a 10.5 million dollar cap hit? Additionally, what about Kane's NMC/NTC?

I'm trying to think of recent trades of players with big time cap hits. Not many ring a bell...Campbell, who else?

I understand the rationale for a Kane or young stud defenseman "plus" trade. But let's talk specific ideas before we judge if it would be a good trade or not.

You can't trade Kane until the situation is resolved, that would be a mistake. It's a risk because if he's found guilty then Stan loses leverage and the return will be less. But make a move now could (and I stress could) mean trading an innocent guy based on an accusation. A guy that's been an integral part of 3 championship teams and is a very unique forward.

I'm all for trading anyone but I can't see a realistic trade for Kane that would make sense. I hope the evidence shows Kane in innocent and the stays with the team for a long time.
- DarthKane

i think JJ did a good job in stressing that this isn't about guilt or innocence. they'd be trading a guy who has been a headache due his inability to stay out of the gossip columns. no more, no less.

In other news:

@TramyersCSN: NHL rosters must be finalized by 4 p.m. CT today. #Blackhawks

@BrianHedger: Q: "We've got to make a decision or two here with our lineup, going into tomorrow for cap purposes and reasons. We'll see on (Svedberg)."

@BrianHedger: Stay tuned today for #Blackhawks roster moves. Things might be about to get a little weird. We'll see.

@MarkLazerus: There are definitely some moves coming. Maybe a few. Should be interesting. #Blackhawks

@ChristopherHine: Quenneville after saying nice things about Bickell the last few days, had some ominous quotes today. Will get those in a few.

I'm going to choose to look at this more logistically...what team can and is willing to take a 10.5 million dollar cap hit? Additionally, what about Kane's NMC/NTC?

I'm trying to think of recent trades of players with big time cap hits. Not many ring a bell...Campbell, who else?
- Coca

The dollars will work themselves out one way or another.

NMC stuff can be waived at any time. If a player is convinced his situation is not going to improve, he'll waive.