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Eklund
Commissioner
Joined: 09.15.2005

Apr 16 @ 12:44 PM ET
Eklund: The Disaster in St Louis Which Should Make Us Question Everything...
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Apr 16 @ 12:50 PM ET
I think you are incorrect and they got both calls right.

Also there is no such thing as " offsides" it's "offside"
TimBits
Montreal Canadiens
Location: AB
Joined: 08.08.2012

Apr 16 @ 12:54 PM ET
They got both calls right. No debate.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Apr 16 @ 12:56 PM ET
It was off-side, what's to debate? People female dog and complain we need review because teams win on occasion when they shouldn't, due to a blown call, so they implement review, to get it right, and now people are female doging about the review.....Jesus Murphy.....it was off-side
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Apr 16 @ 12:56 PM ET
Where in the rule book does it say anything about skate being off the ice?
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Apr 16 @ 12:57 PM ET
They got both calls right. No debate.
- TimBits


Not according to Tanner. Doesn't matter that the replays all show it is offside...
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Apr 16 @ 12:58 PM ET
Where in the rule book does it say anything about skate being off the ice?
- Antilles



Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Apr 16 @ 1:00 PM ET
Both calls were correct. I am not sure why people are turning this into a big thing.

Offside is offside. You can't put "intent" into the equation. He tried to stay onside and it failed. Simple. The rules dictate the play is dead once that happens. Correct call made.

Shaw did not touch Elliot enough to prevent him from making a save. The puck was in once any major contact was made. The contact was also forced by the Blues player cross checking and pushing Shaw towards Eilliot. Not significant enough contact to take the goal back and there is no "foot in the crease" rule anymore. Correct call made.

The league wanted to make sure they could do all they could to get the correct call. Last night was a great example of that in process. Now if you want to complain about the amount of time these reviews took away from the flow of the game, then you have something to talk about.
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Apr 16 @ 1:00 PM ET

- Scooby_Doo


You laugh, but here is the rulebook. It's not in there.


http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en...-Interactive-rulebook.pdf
mw630
Joined: 06.24.2011

Apr 16 @ 1:03 PM ET
Where in the rule book does it say anything about skate being off the ice?
- Antilles


I'm not a hawks fan, but I can't believe this is an argument. The skate has always had to be on the ice at least on the blue line for it to be onside. It's been called like that forever. Yes, it likely cost the Blues the game last night, but don't act like that hasn't been called for years.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Apr 16 @ 1:05 PM ET
I think you are incorrect and they got both calls right.

Also there is no such thing as " offsides" it's "offside"

- Iggysbff


Icings is icings
PuckAndSticks
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.31.2011

Apr 16 @ 1:05 PM ET
I really don't see where Shaw 'pushes Elliot'. Elliot's pad never made it to the post where Shaw shot the puck and that wasn't because of a push by Shaw.

The offside play was pretty clear. He was offside. No arguing that. That said, I think the rule needs to be altered or removed. This is playoff hockey. Let the refs not call countless cross checks, let them determine if there is goalie interference and let them make the call on offside.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Apr 16 @ 1:06 PM ET
I'm not a hawks fan, but I can't believe this is an argument. The skate has always had to be on the ice at least on the blue line for it to be onside. It's been called like that forever. Yes, it likely cost the Blues the game last night, but don't act like that hasn't been called for years.
- mw630

Guess guys aren't using this move effectively enough to stay onside.

Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Apr 16 @ 1:09 PM ET
Icings is icings
- Slimtj100


Elliot's was pushed into his nets.
HawksGuySince85
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Naperville, IL
Joined: 08.24.2011

Apr 16 @ 1:10 PM ET
Ek i'm guessing you didn't see the blue line camera which was shown on NHL Network that showed it was 100% offsides.....
HawksGuySince85
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Naperville, IL
Joined: 08.24.2011

Apr 16 @ 1:11 PM ET
Elliot's was pushed into his nets.
- Iggysbff


maybe but when its due to his own teammate pushing the guy into him well thats your d-mans fault
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Apr 16 @ 1:12 PM ET
I'm not a hawks fan, but I can't believe this is an argument. The skate has always had to be on the ice at least on the blue line for it to be onside. It's been called like that forever. Yes, it likely cost the Blues the game last night, but don't act like that hasn't been called for years.
- mw630


It's not an argument, it's asking people to do more than base their opinion on how they think it's always been called and instead on what the rules actually are.
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Apr 16 @ 1:13 PM ET
maybe but when its due to his own teammate pushing the guy into him well thats your d-mans fault
- HawksGuySince85


Shaw's stick hit Eliiott's pad before Shattenkirk touched Shaw.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Apr 16 @ 1:14 PM ET
The Shaw goal is totally a good goal. No controversy whatsoever and I can't stand the Hawks.

It's hockey. Like it or not that's a greasy playoff goal.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 16 @ 1:15 PM ET
Terrible calls that both went against St Louis. Terrible.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Apr 16 @ 1:17 PM ET
maybe but when its due to his own teammate pushing the guy into him well thats your d-mans fault
- HawksGuySince85

Dude...it was a joke on pluralizing everything...

He wasn't pushed in. Shaw's stick hit his pads on the shot floow through. Puck was already in the net.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 16 @ 1:19 PM ET
Ek i'm guessing you didn't see the blue line camera which was shown on NHL Network that showed it was 100% offsides.....
- HawksGuySince85


His skate hadn't crossed the plane. Because it was in the air it wass off-sides? Makes zero sense.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Apr 16 @ 1:24 PM ET
His skate hadn't crossed the plane. Because it was in the air it wass off-sides? Makes zero sense.
- wolfhounds


That's been a rule for eons haha
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 16 @ 1:25 PM ET
I think Busey looks better then hitch











mw630
Joined: 06.24.2011

Apr 16 @ 1:25 PM ET
It's not an argument, it's asking people to do more than base their opinion on how they think it's always been called and instead on what the rules actually are.
- Antilles


I'm sure you would be perfectly fine then if the play was reversed and a hawks player's skate was in the air and they called it onside? The rule is your body cannot be in the offensive zone before the puck. If your skate is off the ice and your other one is in the offensive zone, you are no longer in the neutral zone. They have called that offsides on numerous replays throughout the regular season. I'll leave it at that because I'm sure there is no changing your mind.
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