Rick Sadowski: MacKinnon still hot, Duchene not

JERO STILL SUCK IT!!!!!!!

JERO STILL SUCK IT!!!!!!!
- DDM-Coga

HE DOES!!!!!!

I concur with posts 1 & 2.

So they put Duchene with his old teammate which apparently caused his trade?

Money.

So they put Duchene with his old teammate which apparently caused his trade?

Money.
- DutchCanSaveUs

no kidding right??? I mean does that coach not know any of the history there? if anything they should stick Dutchy w his new linemate to be, Skinner!!!!

I swear everything is against the Av's.....

Isles fan here.

Would you accept Barzal, Pulock, Cal deHaan's rights and a 2nd for Duchene and a 3rd?
I think it makes sense for both sides. Colorado gets younger and stays closer to the Cap floor.

I made a similar offer harmonic /or other dman, 1st, and A.prospect, for Dushene 2nd and B prospect was laughed at. Lol,which is ok,but the islanders fans at the end of the season were not happy with harmonics play? So maybe de Hann is better? Either way I think they might be a fit for the two teams somewhere

I made a similar offer harmonic /or other dman, 1st, and A.prospect, for Dushene 2nd and B prospect was laughed at. Lol,which is ok,but the islanders fans at the end of the season were not happy with harmonics play? So maybe de Hann is better? Either way I think they might be a fit for the two teams somewhere
- MR.Hunter

I think they'll be disappointed with the actual return they'll get for Duchene...the guy really showed no heart at all this year which is pretty scary.

Isles fan here.

Would you accept Barzal, Pulock, Cal deHaan's rights and a 2nd for Duchene and a 3rd?
I think it makes sense for both sides. Colorado gets younger and stays closer to the Cap floor.
- bgainesDM

Yes. Fax me over the paperwork

I think they'll be disappointed with the actual return they'll get for Duchene...the guy really showed no heart at all this year which is pretty scary.
- BashCH

I dont disagree with how he preformed at the end of the year but I do disagree about that affecting his value. Friedman and Lebrun touched on that a few weeks ago. Guys know who Matt duchene is and wont be looking at 30 games of his nhl career to judge his value.

If a GM is going to try to low ball Sakic using that as a tactic, he is probably going to miss out on the chance of landing him bc there definitely will be teams who will be going after him regardless.

I dont disagree with how he preformed at the end of the year but I do disagree about that affecting his value. Friedman and Lebrun touched on that a few weeks ago. Guys know who Matt duchene is and wont be looking at 30 games of his nhl career to judge his value.

If a GM is going to try to low ball Sakic using that as a tactic, he is probably going to miss out on the chance of landing him bc there definitely will be teams who will be going after him regardless.
- DDM-Coga

I think right now Sakic way overvalues him. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good player. But I think the asking price will have to be lowered for it to really happen, or you guys will lose him for nothing in 2 years.

I think right now Sakic way overvalues him. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good player. But I think the asking price will have to be lowered for it to really happen, or you guys will lose him for nothing in 2 years.
- BashCH

I see this all the time...sakic over values him. No one really knows what the asking price is. Its all speculation on what they heard from other sources. Nothing concrete has come out from the Avs.

Teams havent publically come out and say that the asking price is too much bc that basically can be tampering. Only that idiot eugene melnyk said...did you see what they are asking for Duchene? We all have heard sergachev's name tossed out in Mtl rumours but no one reallly knows what the asking price is team by team.

Losing him for nothing in 2 years isnt true either. They can easily move him again next year or resign him if they dont get the dance partner they want. This is 2 years down the line, thats not a concern at the moment. I think Sakic has a lot of play still with his situation, he doesnt have to be forced to take a bad deal. There is no time line to move him at the draft. Get what he wants or else they are more than happy to keep him

So they put Duchene with his old teammate which apparently caused his trade?

Money.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Thats not an issue. They have played together at the Worlds last summer, played together on the same line at the World Cup this fall.

Just interesting that they both are Wingers on the same line. Usually its one or the other playing C.

Can someone explain why a Lombardi / Bylsma combination is not a good thing for our beloved Avs? Stanley Cup winners at their respective jobs, instant credibility, and washes away the Sakic/Roy (Kronke too) era of trying back to the glory days.

Can someone explain why a Lombardi / Bylsma combination is not a good thing for our beloved Avs? Stanley Cup winners at their respective jobs, instant credibility, and washes away the Sakic/Roy (Kronke too) era of trying back to the glory days.
- Bob2119

I wouldn't want Lombardi as our GM. He gave Dustin Brown one of the most toxic contracts in the league. He also gave a ridiculous amount of money to Marian Gaborik. He's the reason why the Kings missed the playoffs, having committed around $11 to a pair of guys who are either way too past their prime and are oft-injured. He cap-strapped his own team and I wouldn't want him near the Avs.

I wouldn't want Lombardi as our GM. He gave Dustin Brown one of the most toxic contracts in the league. He also gave a ridiculous amount of money to Marian Gaborik. He's the reason why the Kings missed the playoffs, having committed around $11 to a pair of guys who are either way too past their prime and are oft-injured. He cap-strapped his own team and I wouldn't want him near the Avs.
- Avsrchamps01

Fair enough. I forgot ALL the bad stuff (Martin Jones, Richards, all the bad trades, Voynov,etc). Those cups can be blinding.

I think I am just tired of feeling as hopeless as Tyler Arnason when the puck was passed to him.

I'm tired of all the speculation and the trade rumors about Duchene. It seems that everything comes back to Duchene when a news about the Avs is published by the reporters. This is also the reason why he didn't play well after the deadline and rignt now at the Worlds. His confidence is low and his heart is not there anymore. He should ask for a trade because he needs a new beginning somewhere else. A trade would help him regain his confidence and his pleasure to play.

Fair enough. I forgot ALL the bad stuff (Martin Jones, Richards, all the bad trades, Voynov,etc). Those cups can be blinding.

I think I am just tired of feeling as hopeless as Tyler Arnason when the puck was passed to him.
- Bob2119

Ha yeah, good ol Arnie! Boy did he show up when we played the Oilers though

Can someone explain why a Lombardi / Bylsma combination is not a good thing for our beloved Avs? Stanley Cup winners at their respective jobs, instant credibility, and washes away the Sakic/Roy (Kronke too) era of trying back to the glory days.
- Bob2119

Lombardi is terrible at drafting and has been taking a beating at trades lately too, look at the Kings drafting and trade record the past 4-5 years. It makes Sakic look like a super GM.

Bylsma isnt a young team coach, I remember some Sabre fans touching on this...he had his run ins with Reinhart, Eichel etc. Plus he seems to favour vets.

Both are very out of touch and with the current roster, pipleline of players prospects the Avs have, they would be a bad fit

I'm tired of all the speculation and the trade rumors about Duchene. It seems that everything comes back to Duchene when a news about the Avs is published by the reporters. This is also the reason why he didn't play well after the deadline and rignt now at the Worlds. His confidence is low and his heart is not there anymore. He should ask for a trade because he needs a new beginning somewhere else. A trade would help him regain his confidence and his pleasure to play.
- batman8990

Duchene would never ask for a trade, he just doesnt seem like that kind of guy since he bleeds for the Avs, sakic was his hero and this was his favorite time growing up. I think all those reasons why trade talks got to him, he wanted to stay and win with the Avs his whole career IMO.

He just needs to know where his career is going to be going. Long term with the Avs, another team.

Duchene would never ask for a trade, he just doesnt seem like that kind of guy since he bleeds for the Avs, sakic was his hero and this was his favorite time growing up. I think all those reasons why trade talks got to him, he wanted to stay and win with the Avs his whole career IMO.

He just needs to know where his career is going to be going. Long term with the Avs, another team.
- DDM-Coga

Do you changed your mind about Duchene? Do you still think that he might be traded this offseason? You seem more skeptical or am I wrong?

Do you changed your mind about Duchene? Do you still think that he might be traded this offseason? You seem more skeptical or am I wrong?
- batman8990

I think he gets traded, he has to, but if he doesnt for whatever reason (which would be a mistake since its their one chance to really get a piece that this team desperately needs), I can see him just being with the avs till the end of time.

They just cant have another stastny situation with him.

I think he gets traded, he has to, but if he doesnt for whatever reason (which would be a mistake since its their one chance to really get a piece that this team desperately needs), I can see him just being with the avs till the end of time.

They just cant have another stastny situation with him.
- DDM-Coga

They Avs won't have a Stastny situation with him. Duchene will always bleed burgundy and blue until (if) he's dealt. He's always been a fan of the team and always did everything by the book. He took the discount on the bridge deals, and his 5 year $30 mil extension. The difference between them is Stastny milked the Avs for years and only delivered his rookie season and his last year here in 14-15. He took advantage of them and never really wanted to be here. He's never taken a discount and when he hit UFA status he was playing hardball because he never wanted to re-sign here. #9 is the polar opposite and I may be the minority on this topic amongst Avs fans on this site but I want him to stay and I don't feel he should be dealt simply because he can be used as bait. He shouldn't be penalized and used as a scapegoat for caring about the team and wanting to win here. He had a rough few months but he isn't the reason why the Avs finished where they did and he shouldn't be the one out the door.

They Avs won't have a Stastny situation with him. Duchene will always bleed burgundy and blue until (if) he's dealt. He's always been a fan of the team and always did everything by the book. He took the discount on the bridge deals, and his 5 year $30 mil extension. The difference between them is Stastny milked the Avs for years and only delivered his rookie season and his last year here in 14-15. He took advantage of them and never really wanted to be here. He's never taken a discount and when he hit UFA status he was playing hardball because he never wanted to re-sign here. #9 is the polar opposite and I may be the minority on this topic amongst Avs fans on this site but I want him to stay and I don't feel he should be dealt simply because he can be used as bait. He shouldn't be penalized and used as a scapegoat for caring about the team and wanting to win here. He had a rough few months but he isn't the reason why the Avs finished where they did and he shouldn't be the one out the door.
- Avsrchamps01

Some Avs fans are dreaming if they think the team will be fine without trading away at least one player from the core. This team desesperatly needs blueline help and the only way to get better at D in the short term its to trade one of #9 or #92 for a young impactful defenseman. Both have a good value on the trade market and could fetch a good return for the Avs. Forget about the FA market, they wont get there and not a lot of players would like to sign a contract with the Colorado.

Some quotes from Joe Sakic in a radio interview today courtesy of NBC Sports:
- "there's going to be a lot of turnover"
- “We’ve still got to work on our back end"
- “We’re not going to be players in free agency,”
- “We want to grow our kids and keep the youth movement going, and try and develop and have them grow together.”
- “We’ll be on the phone quite a bit,”

I think he gave some good indications of what he wants to do this summer. I think he will be open to trade anybody including Duchene, Landy or Barrie even if somes Avs fans wont agree with that. After 3 years of playoffs exclusion, Sakic seems ready to rebuild from with-in and from the draft. It will be long and hard, but its the good way to do it.