Ed Stein: On the Rebound

Additional dates:

June 12: Deadline for teams (minus Nashville and Pitt.) to ask players with NMC to waive them.

June 16: Deadline for players with NMC to waive them.


Also I believe Stoner and Despres do not qualify for exposure since they don't meet the games played requirement. They weren't listed but I'm sure someone will ask why not.

Ed Stein: On the Rebound
- Ed Stein

Perhaps I'm wrong, but doesn't Bieksa have to be protected due to his NMC?

Perhaps I'm wrong, but doesn't Bieksa have to be protected due to his NMC?
- JSC

He does but at the start of the blog it was suggested they force him to waive it.

I think BM was waiting along with interested teams to see how the surgery played out with Sami - which according to all went well - no issues or problems no newly discovered additional structural issues - just a straightforward repair and recovery - now what teams are willing to wait to plug Sami into the lineup - the mid season addition that turbo charges sprint to the finish -
I'm still of the mind that Manson does not go anywhere - his skill set is just not replaceable within Ducks system at this time - whereas others are even Cams - one thing it does look like the blue line could get younger but with high end skill -
still need to add that speedy winger with finish that is cost controlled -

Problem with trading Vats now is he has to be protected by any team acquiring him. I don't follow other teams close enough to know if rumored trading partners (Toronto, Dallas, TB, New Jersey, etc.) have room to protect Vats pre expansion draft. Obviously Vats becomes more attractive on NHL draft day since there's more teams interested in him, but we run the risk of losing him to Vegas if not traded beforehand. Interesting for sure.

I'm sure Murray has spoken with GMGM and they have an understanding of which player is chosen. Some deal will be announced.

Question fellas. What happened to Simon Despres? Noticed hes got quite the tern at 3.7 mil. Also is Stoner injured or just purely demoted? If not injured you gotta figure he gets bought out to save a little bit of cash right?

Problem with trading Vats now is he has to be protected by any team acquiring him. I don't follow other teams close enough to know if rumored trading partners (Toronto, Dallas, TB, New Jersey, etc.) have room to protect Vats pre expansion draft. Obviously Vats becomes more attractive on NHL draft day since there's more teams interested in him, but we run the risk of losing him to Vegas if not traded beforehand. Interesting for sure.

I'm sure Murray has spoken with GMGM and they have an understanding of which player is chosen. Some deal will be announced.
- quackup

Of the 4 teams I think Tampa might have the biggest problem with protecting then maybe Dallas. The other teams are very young with quite alot of exempt players it would seem.

Interesting question regarding Despres. I was led to believe that he was almost done due to concussion issues but I got a chance to talk to him personally during the playoffs and he was really upbeat and sounded confident that he might be able to play next year, which certainly throws a wrench into the salary cap plans. No idea about Stoner. There were rumors he might play in the Nashville series when Bieksa got hurt, but that never happened so who knows. If he can't be traded he'll probably be bought out.

There are 11 days between now and the expansion draft, and as Ed stated lists are due in 7 days. Looking at things on paper the situation is manageable. Their draft picks are as follows: 2 second rounders (59,60), 1 fourth rounder (122), 1 fifth rounder (153) and 1 sixth rounder (184). The Eaves trade hurts. It's not the end of the world, but a 29th overall pick wouldn't be a bad thing. I'm mentioning this stuff because there are still choices to be made, and the credit card was ramped up with the acquisition of Eaves, so bargaining is ultimately a bit more limited.

Personally I'm expecting a bit more leaning of assets this go around. There is a logjam, assets need to be recouped, and this team is still in need of a LW that's strong on the puck and can score.

I don't know if they're thinking of trading one of the even defenders out for a LW, or maybe they'll take a gander at FA. We'll see what happens, but (SPOILER ALERT) something is going to happen soon.

you know when we traded lovejoy for depres rutherford looked like he was green...but look how it turned out for them ..he pulled the wool over our eyes . the pens have always been good trading partners with the ducks

you know when we traded lovejoy for depres rutherford looked like he was green...but look how it turned out for them ..he pulled the wool over our eyes . the pens have always been good trading partners with the ducks
- rubberduckies

The Penguins have made out like bandits against the Ducks. I was always a fan of Kunitz here in Anaheim. We'll see what kind of year Hagelin has next year, but a cup is a cup. I'll note Bonino and Schultz because it just makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck that much more.

I think that covers everything.

The Penguins have made out like bandits against the Ducks. I was always a fan of Kunitz here in Anaheim. We'll see what kind of year Hagelin has next year, but a cup is a cup. I'll note Bonino and Schultz because it just makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck that much more.

I think that covers everything.
- IGotTheMemo

Kunitz was a bad move . wish we had Bonino back

you know when we traded lovejoy for depres rutherford looked like he was green...but look how it turned out for them ..he pulled the wool over our eyes . the pens have always been good trading partners with the ducks
- rubberduckies

Do you think Rutherford knew Despres had concussion issues when the trade was made? If not, how did "he pull the wool over our eyes?"

I don't think your assertion is fair. You can't predict a concussion and how one will react to one. imo

Kunitz was a bad move . wish we had Bonino back
- rubberduckies

Bad is one way of putting it. Was it the Titanic sinking? No, but how are you supposed to win championships when you're losing that bad on long term value? Ryan Whitney is done. Brian Burke was so giddy to get his hands on another Niedermayer he ultimately shipped off two pieces of that top line. Kunitz for Whitney, and the salary cap hit of Schneider forced Burke to flip Andy McDonald for Doug Weight. Hindsight is 20/20, and it's not like the original CBA that ushered in the salary cap made things easy. Last time I talked about Ryan Whitney is was in response to his, "He's back!" tweet in regards to Randy Carlyle being rehired as Head Coach of the Anaheim Ducks. Whitney ran the course of a player with too much ego. At least his mutual funds should be trending in the right direction.

As for Bonino, the guy is a winner through and through. Tough as nails and a great facilitator. That cap hit too. Players with that experience being line up on a team of that caliber. These things add up. Guy is in for a raise though. Hopefully he fired his last agent. How the dude didn't get 3M a year even out of Murray is astonishing. Of course, he was a part of the Huskins trade, and Anaheim did give him ample opportunity. He came around and they felt the need to trade up. If I were him, and presuming he's going to sign elsewhere, I'd turn up the greed. Maybe we'll see another Clarkson contract. I kid. He'll get in the mid 4Ms at least, but that's only if he got a new agent. Anyways, these in-between 2nd and 3rd line guys that can ramp it up during the playoffs will make or break a run.

Do you think Rutherford knew Despres had concussion issues when the trade was made? If not, how did "he pull the wool over our eyes?"

I don't think your assertion is fair. You can't predict a concussion and how one will react to one. imo
- quackup

To put it in layman's terms: Lovejoy went on to win a Stanley Cup and Despres has only played 49 regular season games since the Ducks acquired him during the 2015 trade deadline. This is a physical sport, and these things happen. If Despres did have a history or concussions that wasn't made note of prior to the trade GM Bob Murray certainly knows now, and these things will slowly make the rounds throughout the hockey management circles.

So is Josh Manson actually off the table now?

as for Manson, it depends. How bad do you want him? Nylander bad?

To put it in layman's terms: Lovejoy went on to win a Stanley Cup and Despres has only played 49 regular season games since the Ducks acquired him during the 2015 trade deadline. This is a physical sport, and these things happen. If Despres did have a history or concussions that wasn't made note of prior to the trade GM Bob Murray certainly knows now, and these things will slowly make the rounds throughout the hockey management circles.
- IGotTheMemo

As you said in an earlier post, "hindsight is 20/20" and looking at Despres playing history, there's nothing (as far as games missed) to suggest severe concussion issues. He's missed time though, but don't really know why. Just too bad. I hope Murray has a deal with GMGM to take Despres + and we'll move on.

http://www.hockey-referen.../players/d/desprsi01.html

as for Manson, it depends. How bad do you want him? Nylander bad?
- duxcup07

Cmon now, I bet you can't even type that without cracking a smirk.

Matthews, Marner, and Nylander for the time being are all 100% untouchable. Leafs found their offensive core.

Still lots of strong assets to make a deal. Did you catch any of the Memorial Cup?

As you said in an earlier post, "hindsight is 20/20" and looking at Despres playing history, there's nothing (as far as games missed) to suggest severe concussion issues. He's missed time though, but don't really know why. Just too bad. I hope Murray has a deal with GMGM to take Despres + and we'll move on.

http://www.hockey-referen.../players/d/desprsi01.html
- quackup

He didn't miss any significant time when he was with the Penguins. The only injury he had there was in mid-January 2015: https://twitter.com/JoshY...status/556145675969499138, https://twitter.com/Molin...status/557591821669654530. Was that the culprit of concussion symptoms? IDK. The time he's missed with Anaheim has 100% been because of concussions though. I hate to be the one to give you the reality check, but this team isn't circumventing the expansion draft by handing the Golden Knights Despres, while still leaving Manson or Vatanen unprotected.

Management has done a good job up to this point of limiting liabilities. The goaltending situation was handled last summer. There is still room for a forward, but there are 3 spots and 4 defenders. Once again, this is professional sports management and not a novel. Try keeping that in mind for future posts.

Do you think Rutherford knew Despres had concussion issues when the trade was made? If not, how did "he pull the wool over our eyes?"

I don't think your assertion is fair. You can't predict a concussion and how one will react to one. imo
- quackup

No you cant, but he knew he was injury prone

Cmon now, I bet you can't even type that without cracking a smirk.

Matthews, Marner, and Nylander for the time being are all 100% untouchable. Leafs found their offensive core.

Still lots of strong assets to make a deal. Did you catch any of the Memorial Cup?
- Blazed

Gotta start with a high ask - Josh is the hardest D man that Ducks would have to replace - Hampus is untouchable - Cam and Sami can both be replaced in house - Josh cannot - So start with that - also I would say his salary vs return ratio is 3-1 perhaps as high as 4-1 @825K per with the reminder that Ducks are up against it cap wise - so Leafs would def. have to come up with a very sweet package to pry him loose - Wings are what Ducks want - cost controlled with a large upside as Josh is already and established 1st pair D - .... So having laid the ground rules down . Whatcha got

Gotta start with a high ask - Josh is the hardest D man that Ducks would have to replace - Hampus is untouchable - Cam and Sami can both be replaced in house - Josh cannot - So start with that - also I would say his salary vs return ratio is 3-1 perhaps as high as 4-1 @825K per with the reminder that Ducks are up against it cap wise - so Leafs would def. have to come up with a very sweet package to pry him loose - Wings are what Ducks want - cost controlled with a large upside as Josh is already and established 1st pair D - .... So having laid the ground rules down . Whatcha got
- dozerD10

Kasperi Kapanen, Jeremy Bracco and a 2nd(SJS), for Josh Manson.

Both are expansion draft exempt.

Kapanen plays in your top 9 this coming season. Very fast, with good hands. Also strong on PK.

Bracco is the Leafs current top prospect not on the roster. Just finished a strong season playing a big role in a USA world juniors gold and then a big role in a Memorial Cup win. Needs a season in the minors.

He didn't miss any significant time when he was with the Penguins. The only injury he had there was in mid-January 2015: https://twitter.com/JoshY...status/556145675969499138, https://twitter.com/Molin...status/557591821669654530. Was that the culprit of concussion symptoms? IDK. The time he's missed with Anaheim has 100% been because of concussions though. I hate to be the one to give you the reality check, but this team isn't circumventing the expansion draft by handing the Golden Knights Despres, while still leaving Manson or Vatanen unprotected.

Management has done a good job up to this point of limiting liabilities. The goaltending situation was handled last summer. There is still room for a forward, but there are 3 spots and 4 defenders. Once again, this is professional sports management and not a novel. Try keeping that in mind for future posts.
- IGotTheMemo

I don't understand your need to be so f'ing rude. Really. You don't need to be condescending to anyone. Maybe it makes you feel better.

I understand the expansion draft rules. You can still make a trade with Vegas. And as Murray said today at the season seat event, if anyone thinks we're losing a key player in the expansion draft they're "crazy". He said he's been speaking with GMGM regularly (as recently as yesterday), so I have no doubt a deals been made.

He also said the Ducks are probably going to lose a "popular" player via the trade route. His goal is to improve scoring. Talking with Eaves. Also talking contract extensions for both Fowler and Manson.