Carol Schram: Looking at the Canucks' goaltending as the end of the season approaches Anders Nilsson took the loss for the Vancouver Canucks in St. Louis on Friday and have fallen off a cliff since the first two months of the season, while it can be argued that Jacob Markstrom outperformed his predecessor Ryan Miller in his first year as a starter.

Thanks Carol! Markstrom for captain

Thanks Carol.
Not a big fan of Silverman.

Thanks Carol.

I beg to differ on your stance that

I think the takeaway here is that Markstrom's doing just fine, under the circumstances. He can't save this year's Canucks by himself, but he's doing about as much as can reasonably be expected.

As shown that Miller's numbers are better this year then the previous years. To me that says the players are better in front of Markstrom then they were with Miller.

Miller's individual numbers were better then Markstrom's in Van too.

Thanks Carol.

I beg to differ on your stance that


As shown that Miller's numbers are better this year then the previous years. To me that says the players are better in front of Markstrom then they were with Miller.

Miller's individual numbers were better then Markstrom's in Van too.
- manvanfan

But my point is that Miller's QS% this year in Anaheim is much higher than anything he did in Vancouver. And Markstrom's number this year beats anything that Miller did.

I think that stat shows that our existing narrative that Miller was better during his time here than Markstrom is now might not be entirely accurate.

Thanks Carol.

I beg to differ on your stance that


As shown that Miller's numbers are better this year then the previous years. To me that says the players are better in front of Markstrom then they were with Miller.

Miller's individual numbers were better then Markstrom's in Van too.
- manvanfan

so... was Miller fine? Whats "fine"?

Carol said Markstrom has been fine/ok/average, he's doing his best as a first time starter and you just said "I disagree, Miller was better", it doesnt make any sense in context to her summary point

Like any stat the QS% is subjective.
From everything i have read about that stat, it does not take into consideration the timing of goals, ie, first shot, 1st/last minute of period, nor does it consider bad goals in close game.
Intangibles, like player confidence in goalie especially after a bad timed goal and overall confidence in goalie.
I always enjoy reading about stats, bit do not base an opinion based on solely on them.

so... was Miller fine? Whats "fine"?

Carol said Markstrom has been fine/ok/average, he's doing his best as a first time starter and you just said "I disagree, Miller was better", it doesnt make any sense in context to her summary point

It was mostly that "Markstrom can't save this team himself." When Markstrom was "hot" the team was winning. When Nilsson was "hot" the team won. When the goalie numbers dropped, the wins started to come around less. Van is probably going to have the worst season yet. Goals are up. PP is up. PK is down. Best PK player is the goalie.

I think the team got better this year and the goaltending got worse. Now that Miller is playing on a better team his numbers are way up. Markstrom's numbers are higher then Millers. Yet now that Miller is on a better team he has the better numbers.

But my point is that Miller's QS% this year in Anaheim is much higher than anything he did in Vancouver. And Markstrom's number this year beats anything that Miller did.

I think that stat shows that our existing narrative that Miller was better during his time here than Markstrom is now might not be entirely accurate.
- Carol Schram

You can look at it either way I suppose. We are probably standing on opposite sides of the fence.

Ty Carol

In goal i see Marky as wildly inconsistent.
Poor starts plague him & in other games he can look like a true #1. Overall he is a 25-30 games a year back up IMO. In the end i don’t see him getting better until he can shake the 1st period jitters. I know our D isn’t a big help as we currently sit but thats no excuse. Adding to that our scoring depth doesn’t intimidate any team & allows them to shut us down far too easily once they get up on us. Yes we are plucky at times and comeback but its a poor recipe at that.

It was mostly that "Markstrom can't save this team himself." When Markstrom was "hot" the team was winning. When Nilsson was "hot" the team won. When the goalie numbers dropped, the wins started to come around less. Van is probably going to have the worst season yet. Goals are up. PP is up. PK is down. Best PK player is the goalie.

I think the team got better this year and the goaltending got worse. Now that Miller is playing on a better team his numbers are way up. Markstrom's numbers are higher then Millers. Yet now that Miller is on a better team he has the better numbers.
- manvanfan

Just tough to really compare the two for what they are. Miller was a former vezina calibre goaltender who could still perform but would have benefitted greatly from more rest, and Markstrom was on the opposite end of the spectrum, an inexperienced goaltender who has plenty of work needed in handling the starter position.

Miller has started 18 games this year behind a playoff team, of course his stats from today are going to look much better, he's fresh and the workload is easier

Tanev out again. Shut him down FFS.💩

Thanks carol.
interesting read (which i'm sure is difficult to come up at this time of year).

My memory of Miller is that he 'stole' a lot of games and Markstrom seems to be the opposite with his patented 1st shot - 1st goal.
Interesting to see stats challenging this.

Tanev out again. Shut him down FFS.💩
- VanHockeyGuy

Hopefully they can move him in the off-season.
It's too bad, I like Tanev, but he is becoming extremely damaged goods.

Hopefully they can move him in the off-season.
It's too bad, I like Tanev, but he is becoming extremely damaged goods.
- Reubenkincade

On that i am torn...

Move him for assets &/or picks & we lose a lot of TOI albeit he is injury prone. With our D in its current state & lack of prospect depth many years of dark days are looming. I cannot see any real solutions other than suffering it out til 2 top D are found or developed. A lot is riding on OJ without anyone else. Tree would brighten up the picture but we would still lack offense. We need Lady Luck to finally shine upon us this draft & land us Dahlin.

Thinking on our cap space in the upcoming years it allows us much fexibility. Not much is tied up in goal & Edler’s contract is ending soon. Other than Tanev & what happens or not with him is even more cap money considerations. With the cap generally increasing yearly & only BB due a hefty raise would JB take on anchor contracts or is he or management even considering it?

Thanks carol.
interesting read (which i'm sure is difficult to come up at this time of year).

My memory of Miller is that he 'stole' a lot of games and Markstrom seems to be the opposite with his patented 1st shot - 1st goal.
Interesting to see stats challenging this.
- dbot

iirc Miller let in a few softies in the 3rd many times. not sure whats worse

Like any stat the QS% is subjective.
From everything i have read about that stat, it does not take into consideration the timing of goals, ie, first shot, 1st/last minute of period, nor does it consider bad goals in close game.
Intangibles, like player confidence in goalie especially after a bad timed goal and overall confidence in goalie.
I always enjoy reading about stats, bit do not base an opinion based on solely on them.
- Reubenkincade

For sure, Silverman emphasized that the biggest takeaway from the QS% is a statement on a goalie's consistency through the season — not in specific game situations, as you say.

Marky can't hide from that first-shot/first-goal tendency, which is so deflating for fans—and the team, I'm sure.

At least the team usually gets 58-ish minutes to try to recover?

Hopefully they can move him in the off-season.
It's too bad, I like Tanev, but he is becoming extremely damaged goods.
- Reubenkincade

Trade the fecker at the draft.💩

Trade the fecker at the draft.💩
- VanHockeyGuy

To who for what?

On that i am torn...

Move him for assets &/or picks & we lose a lot of TOI albeit he is injury prone. With our D in its current state & lack of prospect depth many years of dark days are looming. I cannot see any real solutions other than suffering it out til 2 top D are found or developed. A lot is riding on OJ without anyone else. Tree would brighten up the picture but we would still lack offense. We need Lady Luck to finally shine upon us this draft & land us Dahlin.
- Nighthawk

nope time to trade him while he has value. the roster opening might actually be incentive if tryamkin wants to come back, a big role to fill and one less body to beat out for it

nope time to trade him while he has value. the roster opening might actually be incentive if tryamkin wants to come back, a big role to fill and one less body to beat out for it
- johnnykarate

Thats my scenario as well.
Its a big trade to pull off & we need a fair return or even a homerun.

Tanev out again. Shut him down FFS.💩
- VanHockeyGuy

Trade him this summer.

For sure, Silverman emphasized that the biggest takeaway from the QS% is a statement on a goalie's consistency through the season — not in specific game situations, as you say.

Marky can't hide from that first-shot/first-goal tendency, which is so deflating for fans—and the team, I'm sure.

At least the team usually gets 58-ish minutes to try to recover?
- Carol Schram

good point

Trade him this summer.

- boonerbuck

The Canucks clearly waited too long to trade the guy. What’s his value? A 2nd and a B prospect? Very disappointing