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Pretty much sums it all up. When Crosby scored at 32 seconds into the game, I thought, Ohhh no...…
Interesting that Helle looked like a fish out of water in the preseason and in his first game. But last nite, aside from Crosby's goal, he looked alert, aware, big and fast.
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The young draft and develop kids needed a chance to play and we saw what they are capable of. I would much rather they get an opportunity to play and make mistakes because they are learning how to play in the NHL than the series of retreads and 6/7 d-men that some of the players the Jets have. Being hemmed in their own end in the 3rd is more of an indictment of Maurices questionable defensive zone system then the young kids on D. Keep Bitetto and Kulikov in the pressbox and play;
Morrissey Niku
Pionk Dahstomn/Nogier
Poolman Hienola
This could be a new exciting time for the Jets D.
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-Quotes not working-
We don't need to trade for defense, we need a center. We definitely need the young d that we drafted to play as so far Chevy's record on drafting d is not too good. Only 2 defencemen that he's drafted have ever played a full 82 game season. I really like what we have in the back end. As long as the d are able to clear second chance opportunities and rush the puck up the ice we are fine.
As has been a point of mine for the past 3 seasons, it appears that our wingers become useless when Scheifele is not playing with them. We need another center more than any other position. |
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The Jets deserved this win but the Pens were missing more than Malkin. Bujgstad was out, Bryan Rust is out, Hornqvist missed most of the game and Guentzel missed time in this one. The Jets were the better team, but as Pens fan we are not sure what our team is ginna be because of all the injuries. |
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-Quotes not working-
We don't need to trade for defense, we need a center. We definitely need the young d that we drafted to play as so far Chevy's record on drafting d is not too good. Only 2 defencemen that he's drafted have ever played a full 82 game season. I really like what we have in the back end. As long as the d are able to clear second chance opportunities and rush the puck up the ice we are fine.
As has been a point of mine for the past 3 seasons, it appears that our wingers become useless when Scheifele is not playing with them. We need another center more than any other position.
- TheUltimateJet
just a question, why do we need a center? it cant be for scoring? we have been a top ten team for goals scored for three straight years? so why? if we are bottom ten in NHL for goals allowed wouldn't you want better D? |
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The Jets deserved this win but the Pens were missing more than Malkin. Bujgstad was out, Bryan Rust is out, Hornqvist missed most of the game and Guentzel missed time in this one. The Jets were the better team, but as Pens fan we are not sure what our team is ginna be because of all the injuries.
- PittsPens
Jets were missing Buff, Little, Morrissey, and Kulikov. Your not making much of a point here about the reason the Pens lost.
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-Quotes not working-
We don't need to trade for defense, we need a center. We definitely need the young d that we drafted to play as so far Chevy's record on drafting d is not too good. Only 2 defencemen that he's drafted have ever played a full 82 game season. I really like what we have in the back end. As long as the d are able to clear second chance opportunities and rush the puck up the ice we are fine.
As has been a point of mine for the past 3 seasons, it appears that our wingers become useless when Scheifele is not playing with them. We need another center more than any other position.
- TheUltimateJet
Boyle might help. He’s also free. |
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just a question, why do we need a center? it cant be for scoring? we have been a top ten team for goals scored for three straight years? so why? if we are bottom ten in NHL for goals allowed wouldn't you want better D?
- Ross77
The old saying goes a good offence makes a great defense. Teams know they need to tighten their defense when Scheifele is on the ice as it Forces teams to develop a defensive strategy 5v5 particular to that line.
We have already seen how good Wheeler, Laine, Ehlers and Connor play when they are with Scheifele and also how bad they do when not with him.
Makes no sense to me why the Jets would not want another elite Center on the team to Center the two elite wingers that are not with Scheifele. It would create matchup nightmares for other teams forcing them to defend more, meaning that they would be on the attack less. |
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The old saying goes a good offence makes a great defense. Teams know they need to tighten their defense when Scheifele is on the ice as it Forces teams to develop a defensive strategy 5v5 particular to that line.
We have already seen how good Wheeler, Laine, Ehlers and Connor play when they are with Scheifele and also how bad they do when not with him.
Makes no sense to me why the Jets would not want another elite Center on the team to Center the two elite wingers that are not with Scheifele. It would create matchup nightmares for other teams forcing them to defend more, meaning that they would be on the attack less.
- TheUltimateJet
Furthermore what would rather have on your team? Another Mark Scheifele or another Adam Lowry (which we already do in Copp)? |
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Furthermore what would rather have on your team? Another Mark Scheifele or another Adam Lowry (which we already do in Copp)?
- TheUltimateJet
Ok how about how another Morrisey or another Kulikov (which we already do in Beaulieu) |
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Furthermore what would rather have on your team? Another Mark Scheifele or another Adam Lowry (which we already do in Copp)?
- TheUltimateJet
Of course, we could use both a top pairing D-man and a #2 centre.
Right now, with Buff in limbo, the Jets hands are tied, although I'm 99% sure they know which way it's going, just not letting anyone else know.
As it stands, I believe the Jets could use a top-pairing d-man more, as after Morrissey, it gets pretty shaky, although guys like Pionk, Niku and Poolman are stepping up, and may get better each game. Even Dalhstrom looked good against the Pens after his first shift.
Looks like they are keeping Heinola, so ???
As it stands right now, I'm hoping that Roslovic may still develop into that top 2 centre. And to get a #2C, well they just don't grow on trees. I would think that is a next year project if Roslovic doesn't get there (and watching the process of the kid they drafted last year, Nikkanen, but that's a project). Sure would like to see Gustafsson, but does he have the offense for a #1 or #2? Can't find out when he's in the press box or in Sweden.
Now getting a top-pairing d is also very hard to get, but more likely, given the salary cap, and some teams wanting to rid themselves of a cap hit later on.
But who knows which way we go - we have needs at both positions. If the Jets are in position, they may make a move later. |
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Ok how about how another Morrisey or another Kulikov (which we already do in Beaulieu)
- Ross77
How many cups did we win with Myers as our #5 defenseman? You know the same one that had Byfuglien, Trouba, Chariot and the legendary Tobias Enstrom as part of it?
It was not until we had a goalie that our defense improved. Again as I always state, defense is overrated.
Look at the Penguins defensive corps that won back-to-back championships. The 2017-18 cup champs boasted a d-corps that consisted of: Letang and legendary players such as Oli Maatta, Justin Schultz, Brian Dumolin, Jamie Oleksiak and Matt Hunwick.
The 2016-17 cup champs boasted a d-corps of: Justin Schultz, Ian Cole, Trevor Daley, Brian Dumolin, Ollii Maata; and wait for it, the legend himself - Ron Hainsey.
Please explain to me how those defensive corps were better than what we are putting out nightly?
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How many cups did we win with Myers as our #5 defenseman? You know the same one that had Byfuglien, Trouba, Chariot and the legendary Tobias Enstrom as part of it?
It was not until we had a goalie that our defense improved. Again as I always state, defense is overrated.
Look at the Penguins defensive corps that won back-to-back championships. The 2017-18 cup champs boasted a d-corps that consisted of: Letang and legendary players such as Oli Maatta, Justin Schultz, Brian Dumolin, Jamie Oleksiak and Matt Hunwick.
The 2016-17 cup champs boasted a d-corps of: Justin Schultz, Ian Cole, Trevor Daley, Brian Dumolin, Ollii Maata; and wait for it, the legend himself - Ron Hainsey.
Please explain to me how those defensive corps were better than what we are putting out nightly?
- TheUltimateJet
For every example you make I can make one that talks about D. Washington and St Louis had very good D’s when they won the last two cups. Chicago and LA had very good D’s when they won all their cups |
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For every example you make I can make one that talks about D. Washington and St Louis had very good D’s when they won the last two cups. Chicago and LA had very good D’s when they won all their cups
- Ross77
LA, Washington, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Anaheim, Boston, Detroit all cup winners after 2005 also had one thing that the Jets don't. They all had two centers that were capable of centering #1 lines. As I stated previously, only exception is Chicago. By the way all their goaltenders were also lights out during those runs.
Speaking of Chicago, wasn't the legendary Johnny Oduya part of their last two cup championships as their #4 defenseman? Washington had Michal Kempny a guy who was #8 on Chicago's depth chart playing top line minutes, they also had an over the hill Orpik playing as their #5. St. Louis had Bouwmester, a man who was a healthy scratch for most of last season. It would also be nice if you could explain how Gunnarsson and Bortuzzo are upgrades over Kulikov and Bealieu? |
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For every example you make I can make one that talks about D. Washington and St Louis had very good D’s when they won the last two cups. Chicago and LA had very good D’s when they won all their cups
- Ross77
Nashville has had all-star defensive corps for the last decade. At one time Seth Jones was their #5 defenseman. Even with that defensive corps they were unable to win a championship.
Washington's defensive corps the year before they won the cup had Alzner, Shattenkirk, and Schmidt on it and they got bounced by that exceptional Pittsburgh defense I mentioned earlier. |
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Jets were missing Buff, Little, Morrissey, and Kulikov. Your not making much of a point here about the reason the Pens lost.
- jetsnation
I thought I made my point clear in not taking anything away from a Jets win. Your blogger made it seem like Malkin was the only player missing out of the Penguins normal lineup. The injury bug has hit hard early making it difficult to determine if this is going to be a competitive Pens team or a crapper.
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Lets talk about Cup Champs some more:
2005-2006 Carolina Hurricanes
#1 Center - Eric Staal - 100 points in 82 games
#2 Center - Cory Stillman - 76 points in 72 games
2006-2007 Anaheim Ducks*
#1 Center - Andy McDonald - 78 points in 82 games
#2 Center - Ryan Getzlaf - 58 points in 82 games
2007-2008 Detroit Red Wings
#1 Center - Pavel Datsyuk - 97 points in 82 games
#2 Center - Henrik Zetterberg - 92 points in 75 games
2008-2009 Pittsburgh Penguins
#1 Center - Sidney Crosby - 103 points in 77 games
#2 Center - Evgeni Malkin - 113 points in 82 games
2009-2010 Chicago Blackhawks (exception #1)
#1 Center - Jonathan Toews - 68 points in 76 games
#2 Center - John Madden - 23 points in 79 games
2010-2011 Boston Bruins*
#1 Center - David Krejci - 62 points in 75 games
#2 Center - Patrice Bergeron - 57 points in 80 games
2011-2012 Los Angeles Kings
#1 Center - Anze Kopitar - 76 points in 82 games
#2 Center - Jeff Carter** - 9 points in 16 games
2012-2013 Chicago Blackhawks (exception #2)
#1 Center - Jonathan Toews - 48 points in 47 games
#2 Center - David Bolland - 14 points in 35 games
2013-2014 Los Angeles Kings
#1 Center - Anze Kopitar - 70 points in 82 games
#2 Center - Jeff Carter - 50 points in in 72 games
2014-2015 Chicago Blackhawks (exception #3)
#1 Center - Jonathan Toews - 66 points in 81 games
#2 Center - Brad Richards - 37 points in 76 games
2015-2016 Pittsburgh Penguins
#1 Center - Sidney Crosby - 85 points in 80 games
#2 Center - Evgeni Malkin - 58 points in 57 games
2016-2017 Pittsburgh Penguins
#1 Center - Sidney Crosby - 89 points in 75 games
#2 Center - Evgeni Malkin - 72 points in 62 games
2017-2018 Washington Capitals
#1 Center - Evgeny Kuznetsov - 83 points in 79 games
#2 Center - Niklas Backstrom - 71 points on 81 games
2018-2019 St.Louis Blues
#1 Center - Ryan O'Reilly - 77 points in 82 games
#2 Center - Brayden Schenn - 54 points in 72 games
*Both centers would have gotten more points if the coach was not implementing defensive systems.
**Jeff Carter was traded to LA 3 quarters into the season.
Every single center (outside the exceptions) on the list either had a 70 plus point season prior to winning the cup; during the cup win year; or had it the year after winning the cup. All are capable of centering #1 lines.
Ross77, I will let you figure out the PPG averages! |
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Bitetto stays in - Niku sits!
How bloody ridiculous! Is there a worse d-man in the NHL than
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Guys . Seriously, we don't need to trade guys like Roslovic or heaven forbid...Connor, etc just to improve our defense temporarily till the trade deadline. Its not some fire sale situation. All this trade talk is crazy. We now have the Jets core all signed up for the long-term with the exception of Laine. Chevy is not going to make some impulse move when there will lots of UFA's (and some Rfa's possibly) being available at the trade deadline or in the summer. Only one team wins the Cup so prudence is necessary.
It also appears that the Jets still do have a very good chance of making the playoffs. I think five teams for the Central will make it and Chicago and Minny are the two that won't. In the Pacific the Jets look to be better than maybe all but two of the teams. |
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Bitetto stays in - Niku sits!
How bloody ridiculous! Is there a worse d-man in the NHL than
Bitetto?
- grahamzky
Agreed, maybe Niku's injury is still bothering him a bit because otherwise it doesn't make sense.
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Bitetto stays in - Niku sits!
How bloody ridiculous! Is there a worse d-man in the NHL than
Bitetto?
- grahamzky
Hey he played 132 NHL games and is only 29 years old. He's obviously still developing as a player. 
Seriously though you can count Niku as someone who wont sign a contract with the Jets this offseason if things don't change. It's a trade demand or Europe for him. |
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Nashville has had all-star defensive corps for the last decade. At one time Seth Jones was their #5 defenseman. Even with that defensive corps they were unable to win a championship.
Washington's defensive corps the year before they won the cup had Alzner, Shattenkirk, and Schmidt on it and they got bounced by that exceptional Pittsburgh defense I mentioned earlier.
- TheUltimateJet
Let’s just stop, I can name many teams with great Center depth that haven’t won a cup!!!!!
The most important thing to winning the cup is a hot goalie!!!!!! Hope we can agree on that.
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Lets talk about Cup Champs some more:
2005-2006 Carolina Hurricanes
#1 Center - Eric Staal - 100 points in 82 games
#2 Center - Cory Stillman - 76 points in 72 games
2006-2007 Anaheim Ducks*
#1 Center - Andy McDonald - 78 points in 82 games
#2 Center - Ryan Getzlaf - 58 points in 82 games
2007-2008 Detroit Red Wings
#1 Center - Pavel Datsyuk - 97 points in 82 games
#2 Center - Henrik Zetterberg - 92 points in 75 games
2008-2009 Pittsburgh Penguins
#1 Center - Sidney Crosby - 103 points in 77 games
#2 Center - Evgeni Malkin - 113 points in 82 games
2009-2010 Chicago Blackhawks (exception #1)
#1 Center - Jonathan Toews - 68 points in 76 games
#2 Center - John Madden - 23 points in 79 games
2010-2011 Boston Bruins*
#1 Center - David Krejci - 62 points in 75 games
#2 Center - Patrice Bergeron - 57 points in 80 games
2011-2012 Los Angeles Kings
#1 Center - Anze Kopitar - 76 points in 82 games
#2 Center - Jeff Carter** - 9 points in 16 games
2012-2013 Chicago Blackhawks (exception #2)
#1 Center - Jonathan Toews - 48 points in 47 games
#2 Center - David Bolland - 14 points in 35 games
2013-2014 Los Angeles Kings
#1 Center - Anze Kopitar - 70 points in 82 games
#2 Center - Jeff Carter - 50 points in in 72 games
2014-2015 Chicago Blackhawks (exception #3)
#1 Center - Jonathan Toews - 66 points in 81 games
#2 Center - Brad Richards - 37 points in 76 games
2015-2016 Pittsburgh Penguins
#1 Center - Sidney Crosby - 85 points in 80 games
#2 Center - Evgeni Malkin - 58 points in 57 games
2016-2017 Pittsburgh Penguins
#1 Center - Sidney Crosby - 89 points in 75 games
#2 Center - Evgeni Malkin - 72 points in 62 games
2017-2018 Washington Capitals
#1 Center - Evgeny Kuznetsov - 83 points in 79 games
#2 Center - Niklas Backstrom - 71 points on 81 games
2018-2019 St.Louis Blues
#1 Center - Ryan O'Reilly - 77 points in 82 games
#2 Center - Brayden Schenn - 54 points in 72 games
*Both centers would have gotten more points if the coach was not implementing defensive systems.
**Jeff Carter was traded to LA 3 quarters into the season.
Every single center (outside the exceptions) on the list either had a 70 plus point season prior to winning the cup; during the cup win year; or had it the year after winning the cup. All are capable of centering #1 lines.
Ross77, I will let you figure out the PPG averages!
- TheUltimateJet
I’m glad you posted this!! With the exception of Pitt and Det. NONE of these teams top 2 center duo would even be top 5 in NHL that year!!!!!
You actually just proved my point and lost this argument and you put all the work in, brilliant!!! Thank you |
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Guys . Seriously, we don't need to trade guys like Roslovic or heaven forbid...Connor, etc just to improve our defense temporarily till the trade deadline. Its not some fire sale situation. All this trade talk is crazy. We now have the Jets core all signed up for the long-term with the exception of Laine. Chevy is not going to make some impulse move when there will lots of UFA's (and some Rfa's possibly) being available at the trade deadline or in the summer. Only one team wins the Cup so prudence is necessary.
It also appears that the Jets still do have a very good chance of making the playoffs. I think five teams for the Central will make it and Chicago and Minny are the two that won't. In the Pacific the Jets look to be better than maybe all but two of the teams.
- jetsnation
Sorry jets nation but you’ve absolutely misunderstood me!!
I have never wanted to trade a young guy for a temporary fix! Anything I suggested was a long term fix that would make our overall team better and I was trading an equally talented and aged forward for the same on D.
I don’t want to sign UFA’s. They are 90% of the time on the downside of their career and sign for much more than they are worth for too long. Next year Hamonic and Pietrangelo will absolute be over paid for too long |
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