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Brian Sickles
Washington Capitals
Location: Rockville, MD
Joined: 07.19.2020

Aug 21 @ 10:46 AM ET
Brian Sickles: Season Over - Are the Islanders Elite or the Caps just Overrated?
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Aug 21 @ 11:19 AM ET
Caps are definitely over rated. Isles are a good team though.
BOSS_TWEED
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: S. Jersey
Joined: 11.07.2006

Aug 21 @ 11:29 AM ET
I never understood why the Caps let Trotz go a month after winning the first cup in team history. Was there some kind of back story or underlying dispute that I missed? That move made zero sense to me.
Tee56
Joined: 10.02.2017

Aug 21 @ 11:56 AM ET

It was obvious which team wanted it more. Trots made his presence felt.


greenyone
Joined: 02.20.2013

Aug 21 @ 12:00 PM ET
These playoffs seem to be driven by those who see this strange time as their best chance to get their name on that trophy (deserving or not based on the shunted regular season) vs those who have already won a championship and simply want to go back to the comforts and normalcy that the summer break usually brings in their profession.
JimmyP
New York Islanders
Location: Snow has melted!
Joined: 02.12.2011

Aug 21 @ 12:01 PM ET
Caps are definitely over rated. Isles are a good team though.
- Blackstrom2


They are good, but I wouldn't say elite unless they can make a deep run.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Aug 21 @ 12:22 PM ET
They are good, but I wouldn't say elite unless they can make a deep run.
- JimmyP

Isles are, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, the sum of their parts. As good as Barzal is, he's not in that superstar-that-can-drag-their-team-to-victory category. Brian Burke said last night on the radio that “This is a religious cult the way they’ve bought in.” That's the only way the Isles are going to advance in the playoffs because they're not going to out-skill other teams, especially not if they make a deep run.

Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Aug 21 @ 12:48 PM ET
Caps are absolutely not over rated. they are one of the best teams in the league.

Problem is that they didn't rehire Trotz and the last two years they put in absolutely zero effort in the playoffs.
Brian Sickles
Washington Capitals
Location: Rockville, MD
Joined: 07.19.2020

Aug 21 @ 1:06 PM ET
I never understood why the Caps let Trotz go a month after winning the first cup in team history. Was there some kind of back story or underlying dispute that I missed? That move made zero sense to me.
- BOSS_TWEED



There were minor rumblings that Trotz couldn’t get the job done in the postseason. To elaborate, there must be some context…

During Trotz’ 15 seasons in Nashville from 1998-2013. The Predators missed the playoffs in eight of those seasons. Of the seven times the Predators qualified for the playoffs, they lost in the first round. The only two times they made it to the second round, they never advanced.

Before the Capitals hired Trotz in 2014-2015, they had their fair share of playoff disappointment. The Capitals had won their division 5 out of 6 years but also could not advance past the second round. With the “window closing, the Caps brought in Trotz to take them to the next level while the core was in their prime.

The Trotz era Caps enjoyed three division championships in four years and two presidents trophies. The end result of this success? Back to back second round playoff exits. Granted, this was to the eventual Stanley Cup champion Pittsburgh Penguin squads. People tend to forget that. The heavily favored Caps were constant disappointments year after year and Trotz was starting to take the heat for it. When the Caps fell down 0-2 in the series against Columbus, people had pretty much etched in in Stone, this would be Trotz’ last year as the coach. Trotz can even be seen wording to John Tortorella in the handshake line after the series, “Im done”.

The bar was high during the Trotz Era and it was basically Cup or Bust for the majority of his time in DC. The sad part is, he got them the Stanley Cup but management didn’t believe in him as a long term solution. Just baffling to me!!!

I dont care how much Trotz wanted to be paid, you pay that man!
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Aug 21 @ 1:06 PM ET
I never understood why the Caps let Trotz go a month after winning the first cup in team history. Was there some kind of back story or underlying dispute that I missed? That move made zero sense to me.
- BOSS_TWEED


Yep, it's a big thing among Caps fans. Trotz and GMBM had an agreed upon extension, but Trotz won the Cup and wanted more money. So, they let him walk. Not sure how much Ted Leonsis (the owner) meddled here, but the optics of it surely don't look good.
MisterBrown
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.10.2020

Aug 21 @ 2:15 PM ET
Caps didn't play as structured and as disciplined as Trotz's team... Trotz had them play chess and let they stuck to the gameplan.
TheEllsProject
Washington Capitals
Location: Galax, VA
Joined: 02.27.2012

Aug 21 @ 2:26 PM ET
I never understood why the Caps let Trotz go a month after winning the first cup in team history. Was there some kind of back story or underlying dispute that I missed? That move made zero sense to me.
- BOSS_TWEED


Hmm... Trotz had a clause in his contract that kicked in when the Caps won the Cup. It added 2 years to his contract which, initially, looked like it wouldn’t be renewed unless the Caps made it past the 2nd round.

Before the Capitals won the Cup - specifically, after they went down 0-2 to Columbus in the first round (even though for the most part they played well. NOT the garbage we say all but 2 periods of this series,) I think the bottom dropped out.

Before the end of game 2, Trotz puts in Holtby to replace Grubauer, who has played fine, but something had to be done. It was the coaching move that finally got Trotz past the 2nd round. The game was practically out of reach and the Caps were now in a disappointing 0-2 start at home (at the time I think no team had come back from losing 0-2 at home in round 1 or something, but can’t remember if that’s true)

But it was the last shot; it had been Holtby’s crease for majority of the ride and I think whether said or not it was Trotz and the team knowing that this was it for this “family,” per se. It galvanized the team and sparked that magic you need even after you start playing at that level of flow needed to just be in the right place at the right time (many gwg), and/or making the timely saves that win a crucial close game.

Diving a smidge back - the Capitals have had a boner for Todd Reirden for quite some time. He was always considered to be the heir apparent to Trotz. It was no secret. And for all intents and purposes it was not a bad plan. In my opinion I imagine there was some disgruntlement that had brewed during the season. The previous two post seasons ended with second round knockout by the Penguins and I can tell you, as a now nearly 38 year old Caps fan, that they probably the most gut-wrenching and heart-breaking of them all. They were battles of giants in the East and they were close and they ended the way they always do, but it felt like the Capitals played every bit as good as the eventual back-to-back champs, but just couldn’t get the save and the goal when it was either teams to grasp. They were heartbreaking because it get for the first time that Ovechkins and Backstroms window was going to close.

As the Caps struggled the next season after losing some key players and Holtby unable to stabilize his playing, there were reportedly 2 games where coach Trotz’s job was “saved” by a Caps win. One against the Sharks and off the top of my head I can’t remember the other. So you know that the beef was being cooked, so to speak. I think there was some behind the scenes Reirden and GMBM discussion. The disgruntlement was already ready to go when the Caps fell into the first hole.

Then a magical run bookended by Lars Eller being in the right place at the right time completely changes the landscape.

The Caps play like there is no tomorrow because there wasn’t. They trail in each series. Each one is up and down. They fought. It’s cliche, but they overcame 40+ years of their franchise’s worth of previously bitter scenarios in SC one run, to end up being the worst-starting expansion team in the history of the NHL (though I mean when you’re like the 5th and 6th team in like back to back seasons to expand a league the options to build a team aren’t going to be like what Vegas had) against arguably the most successful “true” expansion team in the history of the modern leagues (with a GM that drafted the core from Washington) - I mean it’s like I wrote it and played it for years as a kid in my EA Sports franchise lol

Reports in DC (ie the “lip-readers” that Trotz basically told Torts during the handshake that “he was gone” after the ‘loffs. Bags were packed.

Then the Caps won the Cup but the goose was cooked. Trotz 2 year clause hits, but now he has all the leverage. He want 5 years and like 5 mil or something. Business analytics tells you that’s a lot of tenure for a coach considering before the playoff run the Caps were overall stagnant and somewhat declining. Caps probably would have given him the increase in money but the years would have run Reirden off.

GMBM played his hand too early and handcuffed himself into hiring Reirden or have a high chance of starting an expensive rebuild year with a new coach/new system. Caps management feels they have to go all in on the years before Oshie is claimed by Seattle. Reirden makes the most sense in trying to keep the status quo at the least financial risk.

Caps wouldn’t give Trotz five years, so Trotz resigned. Problem is that analytics don’t measure locker rooms or measure how motivating someone can be. Trotz is a consummate professional, who has worked hard and is loyal, has a strong family that has its own challenges. In many ways he was inspiring to play for and that’s just one of those championship-winning season intangibles that can give you an edge.

Maybe Reirden will be a suitable coach in the future and here’s hoping he can be soon because with such a weird season/off-season I just cant see it being the Caps move to replace him unless the team still looks apathetic into next season.

The Capitals have some potentially massive changes coming or possibly very little. Holtby is the pin. If Samsonov is hurt more than is being let on then the Caps might try to bring Holtby back for a season but ramblings are that Braden and fam have been preparing to move from DC. With him and Gudas off the books the Caps have nearly $10M to upgrade throughout the line-up. If Samsonov has damaged his career then the Caps are in some trouble because at Ovi and Backys stage you can’t be going out there with freaking ahl goalies. Might as well keep your franchise goalie IF he wants to stay. And I’d rather take 4 shots at finding the 2018 Michal Kempny then sign one 3M radko gudas (although I actually kinda liked Gudas at times) Caps need forewords who can forecheck like Beagle and create turnovers. Hathaway and some just weren’t cutting it but then again Beagle was in the system for years.

Ah sorry for rambling on - just finally digested the first Capitals series loss in quite a long time that I figured would happen before it started.



Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA
Joined: 11.17.2018

Aug 21 @ 2:41 PM ET
Elite? Overrated?

There is a 3rd option. Luck. Islanders are actually awful, but have just been super lucky since, like, Lou was hired. I don't know. I read that on here somewhere. Luck and goaltending, even though Islanders are still winning with a new set of goalies. So prolly just luck then.
Tedge77
New York Islanders
Joined: 02.17.2019

Aug 21 @ 3:13 PM ET
Elite? Overrated?

There is a 3rd option. Luck. Islanders are actually awful, but have just been super lucky since, like, Lou was hired. I don't know. I read that on here somewhere. Luck and goaltending, even though Islanders are still winning with a new set of goalies. So prolly just luck then.

- Kooleus

Nice you just saved Tanner the 30 seconds he puts into his blogs.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: *flush*, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Aug 21 @ 3:53 PM ET
Brian Sickles: Season Over - Are the Islanders Elite or the Caps just Overrated?
- Brian Sickles


Yes.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 21 @ 4:45 PM ET
Hmm... Trotz had a clause in his contract that kicked in when the Caps won the Cup. It added 2 years to his contract which, initially, looked like it wouldn’t be renewed unless the Caps made it past the 2nd round.

Before the Capitals won the Cup - specifically, after they went down 0-2 to Columbus in the first round (even though for the most part they played well. NOT the garbage we say all but 2 periods of this series,) I think the bottom dropped out.

Before the end of game 2, Trotz puts in Holtby to replace Grubauer, who has played fine, but something had to be done. It was the coaching move that finally got Trotz past the 2nd round. The game was practically out of reach and the Caps were now in a disappointing 0-2 start at home (at the time I think no team had come back from losing 0-2 at home in round 1 or something, but can’t remember if that’s true)

But it was the last shot; it had been Holtby’s crease for majority of the ride and I think whether said or not it was Trotz and the team knowing that this was it for this “family,” per se. It galvanized the team and sparked that magic you need even after you start playing at that level of flow needed to just be in the right place at the right time (many gwg), and/or making the timely saves that win a crucial close game.

Diving a smidge back - the Capitals have had a boner for Todd Reirden for quite some time. He was always considered to be the heir apparent to Trotz. It was no secret. And for all intents and purposes it was not a bad plan. In my opinion I imagine there was some disgruntlement that had brewed during the season. The previous two post seasons ended with second round knockout by the Penguins and I can tell you, as a now nearly 38 year old Caps fan, that they probably the most gut-wrenching and heart-breaking of them all. They were battles of giants in the East and they were close and they ended the way they always do, but it felt like the Capitals played every bit as good as the eventual back-to-back champs, but just couldn’t get the save and the goal when it was either teams to grasp. They were heartbreaking because it get for the first time that Ovechkins and Backstroms window was going to close.

As the Caps struggled the next season after losing some key players and Holtby unable to stabilize his playing, there were reportedly 2 games where coach Trotz’s job was “saved” by a Caps win. One against the Sharks and off the top of my head I can’t remember the other. So you know that the beef was being cooked, so to speak. I think there was some behind the scenes Reirden and GMBM discussion. The disgruntlement was already ready to go when the Caps fell into the first hole.

Then a magical run bookended by Lars Eller being in the right place at the right time completely changes the landscape.

The Caps play like there is no tomorrow because there wasn’t. They trail in each series. Each one is up and down. They fought. It’s cliche, but they overcame 40+ years of their franchise’s worth of previously bitter scenarios in SC one run, to end up being the worst-starting expansion team in the history of the NHL (though I mean when you’re like the 5th and 6th team in like back to back seasons to expand a league the options to build a team aren’t going to be like what Vegas had) against arguably the most successful “true” expansion team in the history of the modern leagues (with a GM that drafted the core from Washington) - I mean it’s like I wrote it and played it for years as a kid in my EA Sports franchise lol

Reports in DC (ie the “lip-readers” that Trotz basically told Torts during the handshake that “he was gone” after the ‘loffs. Bags were packed.

Then the Caps won the Cup but the goose was cooked. Trotz 2 year clause hits, but now he has all the leverage. He want 5 years and like 5 mil or something. Business analytics tells you that’s a lot of tenure for a coach considering before the playoff run the Caps were overall stagnant and somewhat declining. Caps probably would have given him the increase in money but the years would have run Reirden off.

GMBM played his hand too early and handcuffed himself into hiring Reirden or have a high chance of starting an expensive rebuild year with a new coach/new system. Caps management feels they have to go all in on the years before Oshie is claimed by Seattle. Reirden makes the most sense in trying to keep the status quo at the least financial risk.

Caps wouldn’t give Trotz five years, so Trotz resigned. Problem is that analytics don’t measure locker rooms or measure how motivating someone can be. Trotz is a consummate professional, who has worked hard and is loyal, has a strong family that has its own challenges. In many ways he was inspiring to play for and that’s just one of those championship-winning season intangibles that can give you an edge.

Maybe Reirden will be a suitable coach in the future and here’s hoping he can be soon because with such a weird season/off-season I just cant see it being the Caps move to replace him unless the team still looks apathetic into next season.

The Capitals have some potentially massive changes coming or possibly very little. Holtby is the pin. If Samsonov is hurt more than is being let on then the Caps might try to bring Holtby back for a season but ramblings are that Braden and fam have been preparing to move from DC. With him and Gudas off the books the Caps have nearly $10M to upgrade throughout the line-up. If Samsonov has damaged his career then the Caps are in some trouble because at Ovi and Backys stage you can’t be going out there with freaking ahl goalies. Might as well keep your franchise goalie IF he wants to stay. And I’d rather take 4 shots at finding the 2018 Michal Kempny then sign one 3M radko gudas (although I actually kinda liked Gudas at times) Caps need forewords who can forecheck like Beagle and create turnovers. Hathaway and some just weren’t cutting it but then again Beagle was in the system for years.

Ah sorry for rambling on - just finally digested the first Capitals series loss in quite a long time that I figured would happen before it started.

- TheEllsProject

Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Aug 21 @ 4:46 PM ET
Yes.
- glove_was_stuck

Spot on
yossarian
Joined: 07.04.2006

Aug 21 @ 7:49 PM ET
Caps are absolutely not over rated. they are one of the best teams in the league.

Problem is that they didn't rehire Trotz and the last two years they put in absolutely zero effort in the playoffs.

- Maverick1818


The zero effort in the playoffs is spot on. NY imposed their will upon the Caps for 13 or 14 of the 15+periods that were played in this series. If some coach can figure out this riddle he should be hired immediately.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Aug 22 @ 1:22 AM ET
i haven't seen much punch in the Caps since December. Time for a new face behind the bench. They certainly have the talent. Aside from a few bright spots like Vrana and Carlson, I just didn't notice much get up n go since around Christmas.

That team had a huge lead in the Atlantic and squandered it away over the last 2 months before the Covid break.
yossarian
Joined: 07.04.2006

Aug 22 @ 9:27 AM ET
i haven't seen much punch in the Caps since December. Time for a new face behind the bench. They certainly have the talent. Aside from a few bright spots like Vrana and Carlson, I just didn't notice much get up n go since around Christmas.

That team had a huge lead in the Atlantic and squandered it away over the last 2 months before the Covid break.

- Hesh_

I was at the Flyers-Caps game Feb. 8th, in which the Flyers obliterated the Caps 7-2 at home. This was the worst effort I have ever seen exhibited by a team in all my 40 years of watching hockey. This game mystified me, there was something wrong with the culture of the team I concluded. This dismal level of play continued on and I thought it possible they would miss the playoffs if the season had continued as normal. It appears now they should have missed the playoffs...they got absolutely owned by the Islanders. Not sure what is going on but it could be a rejection of the coach. I do know that I will not be spending a boatload of money to go to another game until they fix whatever it is that is wrong with them.
bossy911
Joined: 08.22.2020

Aug 23 @ 7:21 PM ET
isle fan who agrees with much here. i still have questions about which isle team we see. flyers are also playing uneven. if that continues, the isles should dominate all aspects and sweep flyers. if isles offense goes back to sleep, it's a tossup imo. only then will i know which isles is the real isles.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Aug 24 @ 1:08 AM ET
I was at the Flyers-Caps game Feb. 8th, in which the Flyers obliterated the Caps 7-2 at home. This was the worst effort I have ever seen exhibited by a team in all my 40 years of watching hockey. This game mystified me, there was something wrong with the culture of the team I concluded. This dismal level of play continued on and I thought it possible they would miss the playoffs if the season had continued as normal. It appears now they should have missed the playoffs...they got absolutely owned by the Islanders. Not sure what is going on but it could be a rejection of the coach. I do know that I will not be spending a boatload of money to go to another game until they fix whatever it is that is wrong with them.
- yossarian


Hit up Daikaya after? Love that place.
yossarian
Joined: 07.04.2006

Aug 24 @ 1:32 PM ET
Hit up Daikaya after? Love that place.
- Hesh_


I wish we had gone there, should have left 5 minutes into the 2nd period. Daikaya is a good place.