Ben Shelley: Revisiting the Dougie Hamilton trade three years later

Rangers you trade 🦊 to them . Your bobo

Rangers you trade 🦊 to them . Your bobo
- Rsh

Fox let it be known he would only be signing with the Rangers when he was Calgary's property.

Based on your last few articles I’m assuming you have a vendetta against the Canes. I don’t think I need to break down Calgary’s return since both guys have played at a much higher level than they did in Raleigh whether that’s reaching potential, more opportunities or system related; probably a combination it doesn’t deny that they got good value. Let’s break down the Canes starting with Fox, who wouldn’t have been included if Calgary could sign him, just like he wouldn’t have been traded had the Canes been able to sign him. He was going to become a UFA after college the fact the Canes ended up getting 3 solid prospects should already be considered not bad. Ferland was incredible for the Canes and quickly became a fan favorite, unfortunately he became a frightened kitten after coming back from injury and a shadow of his former self leading to him not being resigned. The way he played after the injury made the FO and fans not want him signed. Then there’s Hamilton who helped one of the worst PPs in the league become one of the best in the 3 years he was here and signed to a very reasonable deal. Sure he’s gone but it’s not like you can dismiss the three years he played in Raleigh. If you want to criticize anything it’s letting him walk this offseason which is a fair critique, but there’s no way the Canes were signing him 9mil when Slavin is still getting paid <6 for the next forever and the entire second line needs new contracts next season, not even mentioning whatever Svech gets if they sign him to a long term deal. Ferland and Hamilton broke what was the longest playoff drought in the league in the first season, Dougie would’ve won the Norris had he not broken his leg in the second season, and last season Dougie was a part of a team that won their division and had the top ranked PP for most of the season, it dropped to second after the Canes basically put an AHL team on the ice the last couple games. Sometimes the value of things like breaking a playoff drought or being a key component of fixing a PP while teammates can learn can’t be evaluated in a simple manner like saying this is what team A and team B is left with. I’ve always seen this trade as win win for both teams and still do even as a Canes fan.

Based on your last few articles I’m assuming you have a vendetta against the Canes. I don’t think I need to break down Calgary’s return since both guys have played at a much higher level than they did in Raleigh whether that’s reaching potential, more opportunities or system related; probably a combination it doesn’t deny that they got good value. Let’s break down the Canes starting with Fox, who wouldn’t have been included if Calgary could sign him, just like he wouldn’t have been traded had the Canes been able to sign him. He was going to become a UFA after college the fact the Canes ended up getting 3 solid prospects should already be considered not bad. Ferland was incredible for the Canes and quickly became a fan favorite, unfortunately he became a frightened kitten after coming back from injury and a shadow of his former self leading to him not being resigned. The way he played after the injury made the FO and fans not want him signed. Then there’s Hamilton who helped one of the worst PPs in the league become one of the best in the 3 years he was here and signed to a very reasonable deal. Sure he’s gone but it’s not like you can dismiss the three years he played in Raleigh. If you want to criticize anything it’s letting him walk this offseason which is a fair critique, but there’s no way the Canes were signing him 9mil when Slavin is still getting paid <6 for the next forever and the entire second line needs new contracts next season, not even mentioning whatever Svech gets if they sign him to a long term deal. Ferland and Hamilton broke what was the longest playoff drought in the league in the first season, Dougie would’ve won the Norris had he not broken his leg in the second season, and last season Dougie was a part of a team that won their division and had the top ranked PP for most of the season, it dropped to second after the Canes basically put an AHL team on the ice the last couple games. Sometimes the value of things like breaking a playoff drought or being a key component of fixing a PP while teammates can learn can’t be evaluated in a simple manner like saying this is what team A and team B is left with. I’ve always seen this trade as win win for both teams and still do even as a Canes fan.
- Wolfpack5

Well said. It’s nice to see someone with a brain.

Based on your last few articles I’m assuming you have a vendetta against the Canes. I don’t think I need to break down Calgary’s return since both guys have played at a much higher level than they did in Raleigh whether that’s reaching potential, more opportunities or system related; probably a combination it doesn’t deny that they got good value. Let’s break down the Canes starting with Fox, who wouldn’t have been included if Calgary could sign him, just like he wouldn’t have been traded had the Canes been able to sign him. He was going to become a UFA after college the fact the Canes ended up getting 3 solid prospects should already be considered not bad. Ferland was incredible for the Canes and quickly became a fan favorite, unfortunately he became a frightened kitten after coming back from injury and a shadow of his former self leading to him not being resigned. The way he played after the injury made the FO and fans not want him signed. Then there’s Hamilton who helped one of the worst PPs in the league become one of the best in the 3 years he was here and signed to a very reasonable deal. Sure he’s gone but it’s not like you can dismiss the three years he played in Raleigh. If you want to criticize anything it’s letting him walk this offseason which is a fair critique, but there’s no way the Canes were signing him 9mil when Slavin is still getting paid <6 for the next forever and the entire second line needs new contracts next season, not even mentioning whatever Svech gets if they sign him to a long term deal. Ferland and Hamilton broke what was the longest playoff drought in the league in the first season, Dougie would’ve won the Norris had he not broken his leg in the second season, and last season Dougie was a part of a team that won their division and had the top ranked PP for most of the season, it dropped to second after the Canes basically put an AHL team on the ice the last couple games. Sometimes the value of things like breaking a playoff drought or being a key component of fixing a PP while teammates can learn can’t be evaluated in a simple manner like saying this is what team A and team B is left with. I’ve always seen this trade as win win for both teams and still do even as a Canes fan.
- Wolfpack5

Didn't read. Use paragraphs. Eww

ah it's kind of apples and oranges. At this point, sure the Flames won the trade, but we'll see if Lindholm & Hanifin end up resigning in Calgary, which I'm skeptical of. IMO it hinges on whether Gaudreau stays, and whether the team keeps a chill culture. Markstrom is great friends with Lindholm, and he signed after Lindholm had a miscarriage and found out about it while in the original playoff bubble in Edmonton, so he just might stick around for a while.

Ben Shelley: Revisiting the Dougie Hamilton trade three years later
- Ben.Shelley

CALGARY:
F- Elias Lindholm
D- Noah Hanifin


CAROLINA:
F- Noel Gunler
F- Jamieson Rees
D- Anttoni Honka
****3 years of Dougie Hamilton as a #1 dman
****1 year of Ferland as a top 9 forward

Great return for Carolina.

Even analyzed retroactively, it was a fair trade IMO. I do hate players getting drafted and then refusing to sign with their teams. Especially like Fox did where he would only sign with one location.
Carolina could have kept Hamilton if they sacrificed some expenses on depth defenseman and didn't make expensive lateral moves for goalies.

Based on your last few articles I’m assuming you have a vendetta against the Canes. I don’t think I need to break down Calgary’s return since both guys have played at a much higher level than they did in Raleigh whether that’s reaching potential, more opportunities or system related; probably a combination it doesn’t deny that they got good value. Let’s break down the Canes starting with Fox, who wouldn’t have been included if Calgary could sign him, just like he wouldn’t have been traded had the Canes been able to sign him. He was going to become a UFA after college the fact the Canes ended up getting 3 solid prospects should already be considered not bad. Ferland was incredible for the Canes and quickly became a fan favorite, unfortunately he became a frightened kitten after coming back from injury and a shadow of his former self leading to him not being resigned. The way he played after the injury made the FO and fans not want him signed. Then there’s Hamilton who helped one of the worst PPs in the league become one of the best in the 3 years he was here and signed to a very reasonable deal. Sure he’s gone but it’s not like you can dismiss the three years he played in Raleigh. If you want to criticize anything it’s letting him walk this offseason which is a fair critique, but there’s no way the Canes were signing him 9mil when Slavin is still getting paid <6 for the next forever and the entire second line needs new contracts next season, not even mentioning whatever Svech gets if they sign him to a long term deal. Ferland and Hamilton broke what was the longest playoff drought in the league in the first season, Dougie would’ve won the Norris had he not broken his leg in the second season, and last season Dougie was a part of a team that won their division and had the top ranked PP for most of the season, it dropped to second after the Canes basically put an AHL team on the ice the last couple games. Sometimes the value of things like breaking a playoff drought or being a key component of fixing a PP while teammates can learn can’t be evaluated in a simple manner like saying this is what team A and team B is left with. I’ve always seen this trade as win win for both teams and still do even as a Canes fan.
- Wolfpack5

As a Flame fan we were quite satisfied with the deal. How can one help but think it was a deal that helped both teams at the time of the deal. We already knew Fox wasnt coming to Calgary. Sucked & many Flame fans hated he was included in the deal. Ferlands game was changing even at the time we traded him. Concussions are scary & I truly hope he's made enough money to consider calling it a day, it just isnt worth it. & Hamilton, we knew we were giving up the best player in the deal bar none.
For us, we have had a mediocre team since Christ was a Cowboy. We never win NHL draft lotteries, & it is very rare we ever pick in the top 10 of the draft. I personally given up hope we will ever get to pick a top 3 in the NHL draft in my lifetime. So to get 2 5th overall players under the age of 23 was huge for us. Just imagine what the cost would have been to acquire the 5th over all pick in this years draft? Treliving, for all his shortcomings, being able to sign both to longterm team friendly contracts after the trade was huge & helped sway the long term trade to favour the Flames if you want to look at this in hindsight. But the Canes have had some pretty good playoff runs as well. Conclusion: Trade was a win win for both teams, the way it should be.

ah it's kind of apples and oranges. At this point, sure the Flames won the trade, but we'll see if Lindholm & Hanifin end up resigning in Calgary, which I'm skeptical of. IMO it hinges on whether Gaudreau stays, and whether the team keeps a chill culture. Markstrom is great friends with Lindholm, and he signed after Lindholm had a miscarriage and found out about it while in the original playoff bubble in Edmonton, so he just might stick around for a while.
- eastcanadAREaholes

WTF are you talking about. Both of them have 3 more years left on their deals!!!
WTF does Gaudreau have to do with them staying 3 years from now??? A lot can happen in 3 years, like new player acquisitions, one of our draft picks become very good & compliment one of these guys.