Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Flyers Lose in LA, 6-3: Phantoms Beat Bridgeport in OT, 2-1

Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Flyers Lose in LA, 6-3: Phantoms Beat Bridgeport in OT, 2-1
- bmeltzer

So I’m listening to one guy complain that Giroux is an awful first line center but G ends the game with 2 assists, even 5 on 5 rating and a 59.1% at the faceoff dot but our second line center is a -5 with a 41.1 faceoff rating? The difference is titanic!

So... How many more games until Yandle gets that meaninglessly ephemeral record?

Can't win them all......this team needs to get it together.

Actually thought the Flyers as a team played better than the previous 2 games, but tonight Jones didn't keep them in the game as well as he has in previous games, and once again the Flyers just can't finish their looks when they get them. One example is after yet another crap 2nd period by the Flyers (which has got to be figured out BTW because this just defies logic), the Flyers come out dominating zone time and puck possession in the 3rd period, and yet LA gets one 2-1 break and the puck is in the net, essentially icing the game. This is the stark contrast between the Flyers and most teams. The Flyers have to work so hard to get chances but have no skill to finish them, while other teams get one turnover, use their speed to generate an odd man rush and use their skill to finish the play off. Just another data point for Fletcher to determine its time to sell, and sell aggressively.

BTW, Connauton showed why he was a waiver pickup last night.

So... How many more games until Yandle gets that meaninglessly ephemeral record?
- Bendecko

10 more games to tie the record ... 11 to break it, and then trade him for a 7th round pick.

10 more games to tie the record ... 11 to break it, and then trade him for a 7th round pick.
- jd250

He has a no trade

So I’m listening to one guy complain that Giroux is an awful first line center but G ends the game with 2 assists, even 5 on 5 rating and a 59.1% at the faceoff dot but our second line center is a -5 with a 41.1 faceoff rating? The difference is titanic!
- SuperSchennBros

The team’s identity is a reflection of the captain, which is why the rest of the team is awful. No defense, no puck control, no physical play, no intensity, no heart, gutless. Happy collecting his 8 million & calling it a day. Very few players on the team show consistent effort (MacEwen, Risto, Brown) everyone else is hit or miss. Why is that? Are the Flyers super unlucky & have the only team in the league with effortless players or does the captain not work hard so why would any one else. He’s created a clubhouse atmosphere. Most likely you’ll be in denial but a decade worth of evidence should be enough to see the truth. But wait let me guess it’s the coaching, the systems, the GM, the scouts, the cable guy. Heartless gutless team.

Actually thought the Flyers as a team played better than the previous 2 games, but tonight Jones didn't keep them in the game as well as he has in previous games, and once again the Flyers just can't finish their looks when they get them. One example is after yet another crap 2nd period by the Flyers (which has got to be figured out BTW because this just defies logic), the Flyers come out dominating zone time and puck possession in the 3rd period, and yet LA gets one 2-1 break and the puck is in the net, essentially icing the game. This is the stark contrast between the Flyers and most teams. The Flyers have to work so hard to get chances but have no skill to finish them, while other teams get one turnover, use their speed to generate an odd man rush and use their skill to finish the play off. Just another data point for Fletcher to determine its time to sell, and sell aggressively.

BTW, Connauton showed why he was a waiver pickup last night.
- jd250

The first periods aren’t any better when they give up 15 plus shots to set the tempo of the game. Zero heart

The team’s identity is a reflection of the captain, which is why the rest of the team is awful. No defense, no puck control, no physical play, no intensity, no heart, gutless. Happy collecting his 8 million & calling it a day. Very few players on the team show consistent effort (MacEwen, Risto, Brown) everyone else is hit or miss. Why is that? Are the Flyers super unlucky & have the only team in the league with effortless players or does the captain not work hard so why would any one else. He’s created a clubhouse atmosphere. Most likely you’ll be in denial but a decade worth of evidence should be enough to see the truth. But wait let me guess it’s the coaching, the systems, the GM, the scouts, the cable guy. Heartless gutless team.
- Fopa21

None of this is true. I can’t believe you typed all this out.,

Scored on in the first 12 seconds huh

Actually thought the Flyers as a team played better than the previous 2 games, but tonight Jones didn't keep them in the game as well as he has in previous games, and once again the Flyers just can't finish their looks when they get them. One example is after yet another crap 2nd period by the Flyers (which has got to be figured out BTW because this just defies logic), the Flyers come out dominating zone time and puck possession in the 3rd period, and yet LA gets one 2-1 break and the puck is in the net, essentially icing the game. This is the stark contrast between the Flyers and most teams. The Flyers have to work so hard to get chances but have no skill to finish them, while other teams get one turnover, use their speed to generate an odd man rush and use their skill to finish the play off. Just another data point for Fletcher to determine its time to sell, and sell aggressively.

BTW, Connauton showed why he was a waiver pickup last night.
- jd250

Look at the GM's trade history in hos career. After you do that how confident are you he can make the right moves and get value.

None of this is true. I can’t believe you typed all this out.,
- SuperSchennBros

Agreed. Just blaming the captain doesn’t make much sense. Actually thought last night was much better than the other two overall.

1st pairing struggled mightily early on. Both TK and Risto took bad penalties causing a 5 on 3, Yandle had a another bad pinch and Connaughton failed in cutting off the pass on the 2 on 1. Sanheim showed some speed at times, but his puck carrying explorations don’t seem to end up in the opponents net enough. In general the d was not great or even good, but we did have some pressure up front and generated Opps.

Jones was very ordinary. Quick was good.

G not the issue last night.

The team’s identity is a reflection of the captain, which is why the rest of the team is awful. No defense, no puck control, no physical play, no intensity, no heart, gutless. Happy collecting his 8 million & calling it a day. Very few players on the team show consistent effort (MacEwen, Risto, Brown) everyone else is hit or miss. Why is that? Are the Flyers super unlucky & have the only team in the league with effortless players or does the captain not work hard so why would any one else. He’s created a clubhouse atmosphere. Most likely you’ll be in denial but a decade worth of evidence should be enough to see the truth. But wait let me guess it’s the coaching, the systems, the GM, the scouts, the cable guy. Heartless gutless team.
- Fopa21

It’s been how long now that Giroux has been their best player? It’s not his fault the organization hasn’t drafted, traded for or signed players to take that mantle. Is he still elite? No. Is he still capable of carrying a team? No. But to me that’s not G’s fault, it’s the Flyers inability as an organization to find those guys. I’m not even advocating resigning him, but who’s coming in to replace him, because I don’t see any in house guys ready to do that or having that upside to become that player.

Hayes with a rough night. His NTC is up this summer or at least part of it. He will have great value. What a mistake this deal will end up being.

Rinse and Repeat....

It’s been how long now that Giroux has been their best player? It’s not his fault the organization hasn’t drafted, traded for or signed players to take that mantle. Is he still elite? No. Is he still capable of carrying a team? No. But to me that’s not G’s fault, it’s the Flyers inability as an organization to find those guys. I’m not even advocating resigning him, but who’s coming in to replace him, because I don’t see any in house guys ready to do that or having that upside to become that player.
- landros 2

Saint Ronnie did masterful job. The current GM picking right up where he left off.

Look at the GM's trade history in hos career. After you do that how confident are you he can make the right moves and get value.
- hello it's me 2050

I’m not convinced he gets an opp. If they are out of the hunt near the playoffs then he will get axed in the off-season so don’t think they wait.

If they are in the hunt then I think he keeps his job and Comcast reevaluates in the summer.

Either way don’t think Fletcher gets to clean house at deadline then he himself gets fired.

He has a no trade
- SuperSchennBros

Yandle could yield us a Zamboni wheel!!

Look at the GM's trade history in hos career. After you do that how confident are you he can make the right moves and get value.
- hello it's me 2050

About as confident as I am in the decade of evidence in G being able to lead a winning competitive team

It’s been how long now that Giroux has been their best player? It’s not his fault the organization hasn’t drafted, traded for or signed players to take that mantle. Is he still elite? No. Is he still capable of carrying a team? No. But to me that’s not G’s fault, it’s the Flyers inability as an organization to find those guys. I’m not even advocating resigning him, but who’s coming in to replace him, because I don’t see any in house guys ready to do that or having that upside to become that player.
- landros 2

He is this year, but prior to that it’s been exselke for years. 14 will get healthy and then be their best player again.

Look at the GM's trade history in hos career. After you do that how confident are you he can make the right moves and get value.
- hello it's me 2050

I liked some of his moves in the summer, but they do not equate to changing this teams direction which was the point. This BS about waiting to see what we have after we get healthy? Is just more excuses from a GM that is proving to be as underwhelming as the last guy.

The team’s identity is a reflection of the captain, which is why the rest of the team is awful. No defense, no puck control, no physical play, no intensity, no heart, gutless. Happy collecting his 8 million & calling it a day. Very few players on the team show consistent effort (MacEwen, Risto, Brown) everyone else is hit or miss. Why is that? Are the Flyers super unlucky & have the only team in the league with effortless players or does the captain not work hard so why would any one else. He’s created a clubhouse atmosphere. Most likely you’ll be in denial but a decade worth of evidence should be enough to see the truth. But wait let me guess it’s the coaching, the systems, the GM, the scouts, the cable guy. Heartless gutless team.
- Fopa21

If you think getting rid of Giroux will fix this teams problems you are clueless. First I am not a big Giroux fan and I would love to see them trade him at the deadline but he isnt the issue with this organization. Giroux has become stale here and needs to go but he is not the problem. This team was loaded with all these wonderful prospects over the last 5 years and not one of them , not one, has reached or exceeded expectations. This team is so desperate they are playing with 3 or 4 waiver guys. They are so distorted that they are playing a defenseman , who couldnt make my grandsons High School team, night after night to reach a worthless record. Problems here go way beyond G, last year it was get rid of Vorachek and all will be fine. This organization has become hapless from the top down in most everything they do and have become an organization just above the likes of the Sabres....Ny Jets...etc perennial losers. Giroux needs to go and should never have been made a captain but he is not the issue here

He is this year, but prior to that it’s been exselke for years. 14 will get healthy and then be their best player again.
- Joe Nardone

As an offensive catalyst I still think it’s G and although the argument can be made that Coots is a better 200 ft. player for sure, I’ve never seen him as a great offensive player…just a really good all around game. There were times in G’s career that he’s been elite and carried a team for long periods. I just don’t see Coots that way. I like yourself am hoping that when coots gets healthy he again can return to his Selke performance type of play.

He is this year, but prior to that it’s been exselke for years. 14 will get healthy and then be their best player again.
- Joe Nardone

As an offensive catalyst I still think it’s G and although the argument can be made that Coots is a better 200 ft. player for sure, I’ve never seen him as a great offensive player…just a really good all around game. There were times in G’s career that he’s been elite and carried a team for long periods. I just don’t see Coots that way. I like yourself am hoping that when coots gets healthy he again can return to his Selke performance type of play.