Mike Augello: Leafs News And Notes: Karlsson/Dubas, Nylander/Hanifin, Minten

I like the Pens getting Karlsson. Duby is always makes moves and shaking things up.

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I like the Pens getting Karlsson. Duby is always makes moves and shaking things up.
- senstroll

Great trade overall for them
Whether it pushes further, we'll see.

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I like the Pens getting Karlsson. Duby is always makes moves and shaking things up.
- senstroll

Makes sense for them.

At 10M though it only further signifies the impending doom of the Pittsburgh Penguins in a couple years, but when they signed the core they prepared for that anyways so good move.

They are going to roll out a 6M 39 year old Malkin, 38 year old 6M Letang, 10M 36 year old Karlsson,a bunch of mid 30s support players to 3-5M deals and IF Crosby decides to stick around to that mess a 38 year old Crosby that likely gets like 9M

Wonder what Petry's value is at 50% retained

2nd or 3rd?

The guy has taken a step down and has trouble staying healthy but could be a good number 4 guy.

Wonder what Petry's value is at 50% retained

2nd or 3rd?

The guy has taken a step down and has trouble staying healthy but could be a good number 4 guy.
- Santo_44

I wonder if he can still dish

Makes sense for them.

At 10M though it only further signifies the impending doom of the Pittsburgh Penguins in a couple years, but when they signed the core they prepared for that anyways so good move.

They are going to roll out a 6M 39 year old Malkin, 38 year old 6M Letang, 10M 36 year old Karlsson,a bunch of mid 30s support players to 3-5M deals and IF Crosby decides to stick around to that mess a 38 year old Crosby that likely gets like 9M
- Santo_44

It's a 1-2 year play that's hoping to scrape the last of the gas off the bottom of the tank from their 3 core players all over 36. They added Rielly Smith, Nieto, Graves and Acciari - so there's some grit and grind around the aging skill. I don't think it's enough to get it done - especially not with Jarry or Nedjelkovic in net, but stranger things have happened and you have a generational talent in Crosby who still put up 33 goals and 93 points, good for 16th in the league, at age 35 - and if Karlsson is healthy, he is an elite backend offense generator.

The comment I made the other day is basically the same as the above and if you're going to try and go for it, whether ill-advised or not, adding Karlsson is probably the best move they could have made.

I wonder if he can still dish
- Zezel

That's a risky experiment.

Makes sense for them.

At 10M though it only further signifies the impending doom of the Pittsburgh Penguins in a couple years, but when they signed the core they prepared for that anyways so good move.

They are going to roll out a 6M 39 year old Malkin, 38 year old 6M Letang, 10M 36 year old Karlsson,a bunch of mid 30s support players to 3-5M deals and IF Crosby decides to stick around to that mess a 38 year old Crosby that likely gets like 9M
- Santo_44

they just swapped out a few players for 1 at the same cap hit.
nice work. i wouldnt care about the age at this point. take a couple more shots at a cup.

we all know the Pens will make it farther than the leafs in the playoffs.. its the only way

It's a 1-2 year play that's hoping to scrape the last of the gas off the bottom of the tank from their 3 core players all over 36. They added Rielly Smith, Nieto, Graves and Acciari - so there's some grit and grind around the aging skill. I don't think it's enough to get it done - especially not with Jarry or Nedjelkovic in net, but stranger things have happened and you have a generational talent in Crosby who still put up 33 goals and 93 points, good for 16th in the league, at age 35 - and if Karlsson is healthy, he is an elite backend offense generator.

The comment I made the other day is basically the same as the above and if you're going to try and go for it, whether ill-advised or not, adding Karlsson is probably the best move they could have made.
- Monkeypunk

Yeah, it is also fair to say that we could see some major regression from Malkin this year and the next.

Letang already has and could 100% see him struggle for the next few years.

Crosby hasn't showed signs so you would think he hovers around his usual self the next couple years.

While on paper this looks like a WC team...It is very possible this team struggles with injuries and aging play that ends their run as THE Pittsburgh Penguins.

Will be an interesting year but I think they have serious competition for the WC. They are not going to compete with NJ, NYR and CAR. I will say that for certain.

they just swapped out a few players for 1 at the same cap hit.
nice work. i wouldnt care about the age at this point. take a couple more shots at a cup.

we all know the Pens will make it farther than the leafs in the playoffs.. its the only way
- senstroll

It is good for this year, maybe the next.

It was a move that will help...but their doom is still coming, just might survive for another year or so now.

Well I have a new respect for Shanahan if that’s the case! The last thing the Leafs need is Karlson.

It's a 1-2 year play that's hoping to scrape the last of the gas off the bottom of the tank from their 3 core players all over 36. They added Rielly Smith, Nieto, Graves and Acciari - so there's some grit and grind around the aging skill. I don't think it's enough to get it done - especially not with Jarry or Nedjelkovic in net, but stranger things have happened and you have a generational talent in Crosby who still put up 33 goals and 93 points, good for 16th in the league, at age 35 - and if Karlsson is healthy, he is an elite backend offense generator.

The comment I made the other day is basically the same as the above and if you're going to try and go for it, whether ill-advised or not, adding Karlsson is probably the best move they could have made.
- Monkeypunk

Smith, Nieto, Graves, and Acciari are my personal questions for this team. The Penguins were the 14th worst in goals against last year which between that and age is likely why they were only 16th in goals for. This is an issue I don’t see Karlsson solving with his style of play, the production half of it sure, but not the backend half.

Penguins are nowhere near good enough to compete for a cup, so adding EK is just a futile move that will ensure the downfall of the team for years to come.

Wonder what Petry's value is at 50% retained

2nd or 3rd?

The guy has taken a step down and has trouble staying healthy but could be a good number 4 guy.
- Santo_44

Petry at 2.3M (50% retained on his 4.6M cap hit after Pittsburgh kept 25%) should be a very interesting pickup for a team looking for defensive depth. A 2nd is the very least I'd expect to be honest.

As you said, solid #4 guy still despite his age.

Fully expect him to be dealt before the season begins.

Penguins are nowhere near good enough to compete for a cup, so adding EK is just a futile move that will ensure the downfall of the team for years to come.
- Bullot

While true, the core has given them 15 years of excellence.

If they want to stick together you make it happen, fans stay happy too.

They will be a very bad team for a long time in a few years, there is no avoiding it.

Penguins are nowhere near good enough to compete for a cup, so adding EK is just a futile move that will ensure the downfall of the team for years to come.
- Bullot

it feels like leafs fan predict this poop all the time..like the huge demise of the Bruins every year.

and then the opposite happens

Petry at 2.3M (50% retained on his 4.6M cap hit after Pittsburgh kept 25%) should be a very interesting pickup for a team looking for defensive depth. A 2nd is the very least I'd expect to be honest.

As you said, solid #4 guy still despite his age.

Fully expect him to be dealt before the season begins.
- Scabeh

I think a 3rd and project prospect is most likely.

Petry is regressing, 2.5M is likely all a team signs him for free for.

it feels like leafs fan predict this poop all the time..like the huge demise of the Bruins every year.

and then the opposite happens
- senstroll

Well you have Leaf fans thinking JT is crippled at 32.

Forgive them for thinking Bergeron, Krejci and friends would have regressed at 35.

I like the EK move to the Pens for the simple reason that they have a few more hail Mary kicks at the can with Sid, Malkin and Letang. May was well go for it now.

I like the EK move to the Pens for the simple reason that they have a few more hail Mary kicks at the can with Sid, Malkin and Letang. May was well go for it now.
- Zezel

It’s funny how many people can’t wrap their heads around this. They know they’re old, they aren’t trying to course correct, they are giving themselves a punchers chance.

it feels like leafs fan predict this poop all the time..like the huge demise of the Bruins every year.

and then the opposite happens
- senstroll

Every August here, like clockwork.

I think they’ll be a bubble team this year. They have enough talent to stay competitive, but any team with Zacha and Coyle as their top 2 centers is going to have some trouble. I feel like they’ll try and make a move to add a center, but they’re tough to come by and it’s not like we’re flush with assets. Oh well.

Penguins are nowhere near good enough to compete for a cup, so adding EK is just a futile move that will ensure the downfall of the team for years to come.
- Bullot

Now.
Dubas will do more work at the deadline(s)

Smith, Nieto, Graves, and Acciari are my personal questions for this team. The Penguins were the 14th worst in goals against last year which between that and age is likely why they were only 16th in goals for. This is an issue I don’t see Karlsson solving with his style of play, the production half of it sure, but not the backend half.
- Dozzer

Smith, at 32, is maybe questionable - particularly at that $5m tag for 2 years, but it still expires next year when he's played a season at 33 - he's not crippled, the contract isn't overly long, and he did just score 26 - so even if he starts to slow down a bit, you should still see 20-25 goals, 50 points, and some good battle out of him. He's been in the cup finals twice and won it once - so it's not like he's devoid of experience, too.

Graves is a big, tough guy who can skate decently. What did Luke Schenn do for Morgan Rielly in Toronto? Graves is better than Schenn and Karlsson is better than Rielly. There could be a match there that works well for them.

I like Acciari. I'm awfully meh on Nieto - but he makes like $900k, so his addition is really some grit and battle on the 4th line.

At the end of the day, they had two real options in front of them - rebuild or go for it. It's too late to retool - the cupboards are bare, and the rebuild would have required their own personal Muskoka-5 to waive their NMCs - so the Karlsson acquisition is the equivalent of Gladiator's famous line, "Are you not entertained?"

Honestly I don't think they do it - I just don't think there's enough gas left in those tanks - especially Letang and Malkin - but talents and skills like those guys have? Muster up enough for one more go? Boston was awfully good last year for a cripplingly old team.