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Rare_Jewel
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 05.31.2021
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Robertson+++ for Askarov. |
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GalacticStone
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It's too soon to cut bait on Robertson.
Give him a crash course workout regimen with Skalapy and then Berube can put hair on his chest.
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Dozzer
Referee Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Robertson on the top 6 makes it
_ Matthews Nylander
Robertson JT Marner
(Marner’s setup game better for Robertson hence my thoughts on layout)
But ffs that’s weak… might as well toss Reaves up there to protect them |
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Rare_Jewel
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 05.31.2021
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It's too soon to cut bait on Robertson.
Give him a crash course workout regimen with Skalapy and then Berube can put hair on his chest. - GalacticStone
I disagree.
The only piece of value that Robertson brings to the Leafs is that he plays LW. Other than that, he's small, weak, not that quick and doesn't provide enough value to the Leafs.
I usually dislike it when the Leafs give up on younger players and draft picks but given how small the Leafs window of opportunity is, they have to move Robertson for another player in his age range that provides value in a different way that the Leafs can actually benefit from.
I'd rather see Robertson traded as part of a package for Askarov, or any other high level young player, than continue to attempt to squeeze more out of a player that simply doesn't fit with this roster. |
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Dozzer
Referee Toronto Maple Leafs |
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I disagree.
The only piece of value that Robertson brings to the Leafs is that he plays LW. Other than that, he's small, weak, not that quick and doesn't provide enough value to the Leafs.
I usually dislike it when the Leafs give up on younger players and draft picks but given how small the Leafs window of opportunity is, they have to move Robertson for another player in his age range that provides value in a different way that the Leafs can actually benefit from.
I'd rather see Robertson traded as part of a package for Askarov, or any other high level young player, than continue to attempt to squeeze more out of a player that simply doesn't fit with this roster. - Rare_Jewel
They’ve made their choice on goaltending so please quit your dreaming.
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Rare_Jewel
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 05.31.2021
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They’ve made their choice on goaltending so please quit your dreaming. - Dozzer
Leafs fans have been collectively dreaming of winning a Cup for 57 years. Doesn't stop them from dreaming. Won't stop me either. |
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Dozzer
Referee Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Leafs fans have been dreaming of winning a Cup for 57 years. Doesn't stop them from dreaming. Won't stop me either. - Rare_Jewel
Ok then keep dreaming about getting a guy who had one NHL start last year, and it took a shoot out against Washington to win it, and a whole 16 mins or so filling in for the guy who got pulled losing badly to Carolina. Otherwise his AHL stats are pretty meh, I prefer Woll over him easily. |
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Rare_Jewel
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Ok then keep dreaming about getting a guy who had one NHL start last year, and it took a shoot out against Washington to win it, and a whole 16 mins or so filling in for the guy who got pulled losing badly to Carolina. Otherwise his AHL stats are pretty meh, I prefer Woll over him easily. - Dozzer
I don't think you realize how highly rated Askarov really is and how much potential he actually has. We're talking about a prospect on the same level as Rask / Price / Vasilevkiy. And Nashville has decided that they're going to keep Saros and might actually have to move this guy because he sees no possibility of being a starter.
This should be the part of the storyline where the Leafs acquire the next Rask instead of trade him away. Would be nice for once, don't you think?
I'd trade Woll (and his entire career full of injuries) for him in a heartbeat. Woll does have very good potential but if he can't play 50-60 games plus playoffs without being sidelined, he doesn't do anybody any good.
But that wouldn't be my plan anyway. I'd rather carry both of them and let the better of the two win out. Considering how cheap Askarov is on the cap, the Leafs could easily carry 3 goalies like they did last year. And if all 3 of them play 25-30 games each, you simply ride the hottest one through the playoffs with multiple layers of insurance for injuries, poor play, streakiness etc. for less than 4.5 AAV cap hit. |
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Dozzer
Referee Toronto Maple Leafs |
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I don't think you realize how highly rated Askarov really is and how much potential he actually has. We're talking about a prospect on the same level as Rask / Price / Vasilevkiy. And Nashville has decided that they're going to keep Saros and actually have to move this guy. Or he may be asking out because he sees no possibility of being a starter.
This should be the part of the storyline where the Leafs acquire the next Rask instead of trade him away. Would be nice for once, don't you think?
I'd trade Woll (and his entire career full of injuries) for him in a heartbeat. Woll does have very good potential but if he can't play 50-60 games plus playoffs without being sidelined, he doesn't do anybody any good.
But that wouldn't be my plan anyway. I'd rather carry both of them and let the better of the two win out. Considering how cheap Askarov is on the cap, the Leafs could easily carry 3 goalies like they did last year. And if all 3 of them play 25-30 games each, you simply ride the hottest one through the playoffs with multiple layers of insurance for injuries, poor play, streakiness etc. for less than 4.5 AAV cap hit. - Rare_Jewel
Ffs man, I know you’d trade Woll, you’re so bloody predictable you’d trade everyone except Matthews and Marner. Hope you understand nobody respects your opinion because it’s incredibly anti-leafs biased.
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Rare_Jewel
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Ffs man, I know you’d trade Woll, you’re so bloody predictable you’d trade everyone except Matthews and Marner. Hope you understand nobody respects your opinion because it’s incredibly anti-leafs biased. - Dozzer
I wish you'd actually read what I write and consider the points instead of getting angry about it just because it's coming from me.
Sayng that I'd trade Woll for Askarov is a statement of value of rating one higher than the other but it's not a statement of what should actually be done. I consider Askarov a better prospect but I clearly stated that wouldn't be my plan.
I'd acquire Askarov and keep Woll simultaneously because I value them both as young goaltenders with tremendous potential. Woll has potential but major question marks about his health. Askarov has potential but hasn't played enough in the NHL to know what he really has. I see that as two pieces that could balance each other very well. And if one or the other succeeds, it means the Leafs succeed. Just like how the Bruins had Ullmark and Swayman. One of them won, the other one moved on. The team benefitted from it.
If the Leafs ride into a season with two major goaltending prospects, each with a question mark (one health, the other experience) and have two back-ups in Stolarz and Murray, the Leafs have multiple options at success and all of it costing less than 4.25 AAV. Cost against the cap would still be under 6.5 AAV if Askarov plays well and gets the same contract Woll gets. |
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GalacticStone
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I disagree.
The only piece of value that Robertson brings to the Leafs is that he plays LW. Other than that, he's small, weak, not that quick and doesn't provide enough value to the Leafs.
I usually dislike it when the Leafs give up on younger players and draft picks but given how small the Leafs window of opportunity is, they have to move Robertson for another player in his age range that provides value in a different way that the Leafs can actually benefit from.
I'd rather see Robertson traded as part of a package for Askarov, or any other high level young player, than continue to attempt to squeeze more out of a player that simply doesn't fit with this roster. - Rare_Jewel
If you are right about Robertson, then I would agree. I am not convinced that Robertson has achieved his final form. The kid was born on 9-11 and he can barely drink alcohol in the US. Granted, most kids have finished the majority of the physical development by that age. But, a player who is determined to bulk up can certainly do so if they are motivated. I am not convinced that Robertson (or any Leafs player for that matter) has been properly motivated to do so. Some guys will do it naturally, but he's obviously not one of those if he hasn't already. He needs Berube and Skalapy or let him train with Roberts and Stamkos in the offseason.
His lack of size and injury history is concerning, but his potential upside is intriguing and I'd hate to see trading him be another one of those moves that haunts the team later.
I wouldn't trade him for peanuts right now though. |
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Rare_Jewel
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If you are right about Robertson, then I would agree. I am not convinced that Robertson has achieved his final form. The kid was born on 9-11 and he can barely drink alcohol in the US. Granted, most kids have finished the majority of the physical development by that age. But, a player who is determined to bulk up can certainly do so if they are motivated. I am not convinced that Robertson (or any Leafs player for that matter) has been properly motivated to do so. Some guys will do it naturally, but he's obviously not one of those if he hasn't already. He needs Berube and Skalapy or let him train with Roberts and Stamkos in the offseason.
His lack of size and injury history is concerning, but his potential upside is intriguing and I'd hate to see trading him be another one of those moves that haunts the team later.
I wouldn't trade him for peanuts right now though. - GalacticStone
I wouldn't trade him for peanuts but I would trade him for something else the Leafs need in their system.
I don't see more gym time being what turns him around unless it's coupled with a Jordan level of insane obsession. Which, if he had, I think would have already pushed him to be a gym rat the past 5 years. I think he and everybody knew he would be among the smallest NHL players for a long time. If he was going to do something about it, it would have started 5 years ago. |
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Dozzer
Referee Toronto Maple Leafs |
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I wish you'd actually read what I write and consider the points instead of getting angry about it just because it's coming from me.
Sayng that I'd trade Woll for Askarov is a statement of value of rating one higher than the other but it's not a statement of what should actually be done. I consider Askarov a better prospect but I clearly stated that wouldn't be my plan.
I'd acquire Askarov and keep Woll simultaneously because I value them both as young goaltenders with tremendous potential. Woll has potential but major question marks about his health. Askarov has potential but hasn't played enough in the NHL to know what he really has. I see that as two pieces that could balance each other very well. And if one or the other succeeds, it means the Leafs succeed. Just like how the Bruins had Ullmark and Swayman. One of them won, the other one moved on. The team benefitted from it.
If the Leafs ride into a season with two major goaltending prospects, each with a question mark (one health, the other experience) and have two back-ups in Stolarz and Murray, the Leafs have multiple options at success and all of it costing less than 4.25 AAV. Next year, you keep the best 2 and move forward. Cost against the cap would still be under 6 AAV. - Rare_Jewel
I do read them all through and through.
They all have one thing in common… and that’s why the player you’re talking about should be moved. You look at everyone else’s positive potential and only see the negative potential in the majority of the leafs.
You. Are. Biased. |
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Azuredoom
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Rare that I agree with you.. You also forgot injury prone |
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underhill14
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Robertson has had more opportunity than ever needed.
He's small and injury prone.
Not good enough for the top 6.
Not big enough for the bottom 6.
Not his brother.
Send him packing.
How much time does it take to assess poopty players in Toronto?
Buy the time the Leafs get done "assessing" there is no chance for a bluff "he's got talent" trade, doesn't work any more. What GM would take him now??? |
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dmnted
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Leafs don't have the draft capita to acquire Askarov |
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GalacticStone
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I wouldn't trade him for peanuts but I would trade him for something else the Leafs need in their system.
I don't see more gym time being what turns him around unless it's coupled with a Jordan level of insane obsession. Which, if he had, I think would have already pushed him to be a gym rat the past 5 years. I think he and everybody knew he would be among the smallest NHL players for a long time. If he was going to do something about it, it would have started 5 years ago. - Rare_Jewel
Yeah, if he hasn't turned into a workout beast yet, he probably won't.
People also said Marty St. Louis was too small. But, he also had thighs like tree trunks and never skipped leg day.
I just don't think his trade value right now outweighs his potential upside.... yet.
Make him earn a roster spot through camp and the preseason. If he stays healthy and lands a top-six spot, he is sure to pad his stats and improve his trade value.
I kinda feel like trading him now would be trading low. The reasons people in here are giving to trade him (small, weak, injury prone) are the same reasons other GM's aren't lining up to give good offers for him.
Let's see what Berube can do with him, and if he doesn't seize the opportunity, then trade him.
His only real value right now would be as part of a larger package deal. |
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Leafs don't have the draft capita to acquire Askarov - dmnted
Random dude, picks random goalie name out of random ass as the Cup drought saviour.
This team needs proven players. Not maybes. The Leafs are exactly where they are because they are always trying to find bargain bin Gretzkys.
This year is junk....next year is the only time this team might be able to make any significant change...even though Marner's new deal and Nylander's will eat up half of JT's cap hit.
They aren't trading Marner apparently and stupidly. Until JT is off the books, enjoy the ride and hope for at best next year....as always. |
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dmnted
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Random dude, picks random goalie name out of random ass as the Cup drought saviour.
This team needs proven players. Not maybes. The Leafs are exactly where they are because they are always trying to find bargain bin Gretzkys.
This year is junk....next year is the only time this team might be able to make any significant change...even though Marner's new deal and Nylander's will eat up half of JT's cap hit.
They aren't trading Marner apparently and stupidly. Until JT is off the books, enjoy the ride and hope for at best next year....as always. - underhill14
Yup the bold.
The Leafs will not be able to get the same value Marner has in a trade so keeping him is the correct thing to do imo for this upcoming season.
Next season when JT cap is off the books or is at a lower cap hit.
So they will run. it. back. eh! not like the leafs have a choice
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Skalapy
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It's too soon to cut bait on Robertson.
Give him a crash course workout regimen with Skalapy and then Berube can put hair on his chest. - GalacticStone
queef is gone 👍
cutsie time in the change room is over 👊🏿
darling nikki best get on some gear and hit the weight pile👊
he can afford a new pendulum neck machine for his garage 👊🏿
IF he does all this, baerube will grab him by the stacking swivel and teach him how to play like a grown ass man👊
what a (frank)ing joke🤦🏿♂️
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GalacticStone
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queef is gone 👍
cutsie time in the change room is over 👊🏿
darling nikki best get on some gear and hit the weight pile👊
he can afford a new pendulum neck machine for his garage 👊🏿
IF he does all this, baerube will grab him by the stacking swivel and teach him how to play like a grown ass man👊
what a (frank)ing joke🤦🏿♂️
edit: nice alliteration 👍 - Skalapy
Short and skinny or short and fat, we can work with that.
Bulk up the pencil neck to support the biggest hat ever made.
Every day will be leg day until his quads look like MSL on roids.
When Skalapy and Gary Roberts get done with him, the kid will be solid stone.
Berube will motivate him and impart the secret of the thousand yard stare.
Roberts is born again hard and goes on an epic heater.
.....I wake up, drink more blue kool aid, and go back to sleep...
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drexel
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Location: Name the Traitors!, AB Joined: 06.29.2006
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from last blog. poutine is gross |
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drexel
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Leafs don't have the draft capita to acquire Askarov - dmnted
goalies hard to gauge value. RObertson, Minten and Hildeby? |
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Another day of Rare Jewel coming up with pie in the sky trades and telling us we’re all wrong?
Sweet. 🤮 |
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