Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Flyers Daily, Konecny, TIHF

Tried to do a honest PRO's and CON's for resigning Konecny.

PRO's
- Win more games most likely


CON's
- Will be big money ties to long term deal
- His age over the course of the deal
- Couturier contract is an example that one injury can really turn contract into a problem
- if this is a rebuild, assets acquired in trade would help that
- Open some cap space to deal at deadline to help rebuild
- if the Flyers are not as competitive, it allows for greater chance to get a top pick in 2025 and 2026
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Today @ 12:01 PM ET
Tried to do a honest PRO's and CON's for resigning Konecny.

PRO's
- Win more games most likely


CON's
- Will be big money ties to long term deal
- His age over the course of the deal
- Couturier contract is an example that one injury can really turn contract into a problem
- if this is a rebuild, assets acquired in trade would help that
- Open some cap space to deal at deadline to help rebuild
- if the Flyers are not as competitive, it allows for greater chance to get a top pick in 2025 and 2026
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I don’t know win more games is a con as well.

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Flyers Daily, Konecny, TIHF
- bmeltzer

Rebuilding teams do not sign wingers to 8-year deals that will take them into their mid-30s. They trade those players for draft capital and younger assets.

The state-run media is pushing the false narrative that this team is rebuilding

Rebuilding teams do not sign wingers to 8-year deals that will take them into their mid-30s. They trade those players for draft capital and younger assets.

The state-run media is pushing the false narrative that this team is rebuilding
- corduroy

They are in a rebuld; hence, hurting their playoff chances at the deadline last season to pick up an extra first round pick, and stockpiling a total of six picks (two their own, four from other orgs) for the 2025 Draft. Whether it's the rebuild effort you'd want doesn't make it a "false narrative".

Want to say that it's a halfway effort ala the Hextall years (trading Schenn, for example, but keeping Giroux, Voracek and Simmond through their primes)? That's fair.

To say it's not a rebuild at all? That's not true.

Today @ 12:01 PM ET
I don’t know win more games is a con as well.
- bird_dog_pa

If this was a legitimate rebuild, it's a con. If it's a (air quotes) "rebuild", it's not.

The Flyers think they are coming out the other side and are looking to bolster their roster going forward, tearing it down was never an option. While they can't say it publicly, they very much want to make the playoffs this year (and very much wanted it last year after the hot start).

Konecny has all the leverage and with the salary cap going up, he's going to get close to what he wants, from the Flyers or someone else. I expect the Flyers to cave.

They are in a rebuld; hence, hurting their playoff chances at the deadline last season to pick up an extra first round pick, and stockpiling a total of six picks (two their own, four from other orgs) for the 2025 Draft. Whether it's the rebuild effort you'd want doesn't make it a "false narrative".

Want to say that it's a halfway effort ala the Hextall years (trading Schenn, for example, but keeping Giroux, Voracek and Simmond through their primes)? That's fair.

To say it's not a rebuild at all? That's not true.
- bmeltzer

In the context of the Flyers either being unwilling to attempt a true rebuild or not knowing what an actual true rebuild is. It is extremely fair to say that they're not rebuilding. A rebuilding team does not re-sign players such as Hathaway, Seeler and Johnson. They don't re-sign a player like Konency. Any team making those moves, is not rebuilding. We've seen it too many times. It's all in or they don't get the credit.

Tried to do a honest PRO's and CON's for resigning Konecny.

PRO's
- Win more games most likely


CON's
- Will be big money ties to long term deal
- His age over the course of the deal
- Couturier contract is an example that one injury can really turn contract into a problem
- if this is a rebuild, assets acquired in trade would help that
- Open some cap space to deal at deadline to help rebuild
- if the Flyers are not as competitive, it allows for greater chance to get a top pick in 2025 and 2026
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- J35Bacher

if tk is resigned for 7ish mil per i'm all for it

What's the hurry on the Flyers' part to extend Konecny. They absolutely should be in no rush to re-sign him this season. At the very least he could be a great trade candidate at the TDL unencumbered with a long term contract.

They are in a rebuld; hence, hurting their playoff chances at the deadline last season to pick up an extra first round pick, and stockpiling a total of six picks (two their own, four from other orgs) for the 2025 Draft. Whether it's the rebuild effort you'd want doesn't make it a "false narrative".

Want to say that it's a halfway effort ala the Hextall years (trading Schenn, for example, but keeping Giroux, Voracek and Simmond through their primes)? That's fair.

To say it's not a rebuild at all? That's not true.
- bmeltzer

so having one foot in the rebuild pool to me doesnt make it a rebuild. go all in or go the other direction.

this fence straddling is cowardice and 100% doomed to fail.

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Flyers Daily, Konecny, TIHF
- bmeltzer

- though Tomas Divisek would pan out to some extent. any thoughts there Bill?

- thought Crow would get more NHL time.

- re-signing him doesn't make sense on any level.

short term - they are not contenders nor will have any shot to win a cup in the next 4 years.

long term - see above and then add your paying for diminishing returns in years 5-8. of which they still probably won't be legit contenders.

it is so phucking simple yet these dopes running the team can't comprehend it.

They are in a rebuld; hence, hurting their playoff chances at the deadline last season to pick up an extra first round pick, and stockpiling a total of six picks (two their own, four from other orgs) for the 2025 Draft. Whether it's the rebuild effort you'd want doesn't make it a "false narrative".

Want to say that it's a halfway effort ala the Hextall years (trading Schenn, for example, but keeping Giroux, Voracek and Simmond through their primes)? That's fair.

To say it's not a rebuild at all? That's not true.
- bmeltzer

And I think your right, but by falling into the middle of the first round, or outside that top 5 area, unless lucky like Michkov dropping, you lose that chance at drafting possibly a top end talent for your franchise.

They have Quantity right now in picks. But they need Quality. Being in the top 5 of 2025 can maybe get you Hagens, Martone, Frondell, Ryabkin or Misa.

2026 you get a shot at McKenna.

It's a retool, just like the Hextall years. They kept Laughton and Seeler, want to extend TK for 8 years starting at age 28, and they signed as many free agents as they could afford under the cap. Plenty of geezers on the roster, too.

Johnson is 36 with a year left
Deslauriers is 33 with 2 years left
Hathaway is 32 with 3 years left
Couturier is 31 with 6 years left
Seeler is 31 with 4 years left
Laughton is 30 with 2 years left
Risto will be 30 in October with 3 years left

https://capwages.com/teams/philadelphia_flyers

Rebuilding teams do not sign wingers to 8-year deals that will take them into their mid-30s. They trade those players for draft capital and younger assets.

The state-run media is pushing the false narrative that this team is rebuilding
- corduroy

this always makes me laugh

They are in a rebuld; hence, hurting their playoff chances at the deadline last season to pick up an extra first round pick, and stockpiling a total of six picks (two their own, four from other orgs) for the 2025 Draft. Whether it's the rebuild effort you'd want doesn't make it a "false narrative".

Want to say that it's a halfway effort ala the Hextall years (trading Schenn, for example, but keeping Giroux, Voracek and Simmond through their primes)? That's fair.

To say it's not a rebuild at all? That's not true.
- bmeltzer

They traded walker because they could not come to terms on an extension. Rebuilding teams do not sign mid/low level players like seeler, poehling, and Hathaway to extensions. They trade them for picks at the deadline.

Hextall called it a retool not a rebuild.

Bill,

I don’t need a full tear down but the TK situation is the golden goose. F it, keep Laughton, fine, his return was always a 2nd or 1st with a bad contract coming back at best. Sign vets taking up space for younger players (team is still the youngest or second youngest in NHL). All that is small fish in comparison to the decision with TK.


That extension is 100% going to hurt them, it is in a position of abundance, and a trade is the biggest return of what they need to do to actually rebuild.

If they resign him, I’m sorry, but, they ain’t rebuilding.

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Flyers Daily, Konecny, TIHF
- bmeltzer

I don’t have an issue with signing a couple vets to one year deals and as much I do like Hathaway, 3 more seasons of Hathaway is too long. Not having a young version of Hathaway in the system doesn’t sit well with me. The Flyers need to stop recycling other team’s trash and create their own.

As for TK, it’s a no brainer. Trade him. That embarrassing Sean Couturier contract is reason enough to move TK so they’re not making the same mistake twice.

Tried to do a honest PRO's and CON's for resigning Konecny.

PRO's
- Win more games most likely


CON's
- Will be big money ties to long term deal
- His age over the course of the deal
- Couturier contract is an example that one injury can really turn contract into a problem
- if this is a rebuild, assets acquired in trade would help that
- Open some cap space to deal at deadline to help rebuild
- if the Flyers are not as competitive, it allows for greater chance to get a top pick in 2025 and 2026
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- J35Bacher

I’m just adding, that in their minds, pro is probably more ticket sales, chance at the POs and helping Mitchkov transition into the NHL instead or letting him be the man right away. Obviously this will more likely keep them in the mushy middle and screw them for the next 6 years but…flyers.

They are in a rebuld; hence, hurting their playoff chances at the deadline last season to pick up an extra first round pick, and stockpiling a total of six picks (two their own, four from other orgs) for the 2025 Draft. Whether it's the rebuild effort you'd want doesn't make it a "false narrative".

Want to say that it's a halfway effort ala the Hextall years (trading Schenn, for example, but keeping Giroux, Voracek and Simmond through their primes)? That's fair.

To say it's not a rebuild at all? That's not true.
- bmeltzer

We ever going to see accountability in that front office?

Or is that bullpoop “Flyer family” going to hold this team back for another decade.

They are in a rebuld; hence, hurting their playoff chances at the deadline last season to pick up an extra first round pick, and stockpiling a total of six picks (two their own, four from other orgs) for the 2025 Draft. Whether it's the rebuild effort you'd want doesn't make it a "false narrative".

Want to say that it's a halfway effort ala the Hextall years (trading Schenn, for example, but keeping Giroux, Voracek and Simmond through their primes)? That's fair.

To say it's not a rebuild at all? That's not true.
- bmeltzer

I assume you meant in the 1st two rounds as they have more than 6 picks in the draft. I also don't want to give them to much credit for not blowing their own 2025 picks, yet. There's still time.

1st rnd - The Flyers traded Claude Giroux when Fletchers "bias for action" was failing but was not dead. That pick, which the Flyers continue to kick down the road is one of the picks you mention.
2nd rnd - From the Cutter trade was because Cutter didn't want to play with them, not because they were rebuilding.
2nd rnd - The other second is from the 3way Provorov trade where both the Flyers and Provorov wanted to part ways.

There's literally 1 pick, 1 that has anything to do with "rebuilding".

https://www.broadstreetho...iroux-owen-tippett-trade/

If they had let Walker finish out the year and let an FA who they knew they weren't going to resign walk, the fig leaf the Flyers have now to say they are rebuilding would be gone. My guess is if they had known how the season would play out, they would've kept him.

It's great they have the picks and he did get a good deal for Provorov but people still give Hextall alot of poop for not tearing it down to the studs, Briere deserves the same criticism if not more as the Flyers now have the hindsight of seeing that doing something halfway doesn't work.

GM should be planning ways to use 10.25 mil in LTIR cash to spend.

Hold 50% on a TK trade to maximize value

Be willing to retain cap at the TDL for picks.


Use any avenues to acquire more picks, I watch a couple teams move up this year in the draft using late 1st & 2 2nd picks to move inside the top 15.

SO i would propose

EDM 1st, phi 2nd, phi 3rd to move into top 15.

Col 1st, ana 2nd, bj 2nd to move into top 13

Add in our pick and that would be

3 picks in the top 15 in a deep draft.

It's now officially a "half-a$$ed rebuild". Be sure to refer to it as such in the future.

It's now officially a "half-a$$ed rebuild". Be sure to refer to it as such in the future.
- Quetzalcoatl

Hoagie mouth rebuild.

Hoagie mouth rebuild.
- mickel25

with or without long hots?

GM should be planning ways to use 10.25 mil in LTIR cash to spend.

Hold 50% on a TK trade to maximize value

Be willing to retain cap at the TDL for picks.


Use any avenues to acquire more picks, I watch a couple teams move up this year in the draft using late 1st & 2 2nd picks to move inside the top 15.

SO i would propose

EDM 1st, phi 2nd, phi 3rd to move into top 15.

Col 1st, ana 2nd, bj 2nd to move into top 13

Add in our pick and that would be

3 picks in the top 15 in a deep draft.
- Flyerloon

I like the idea and approach here but I'm not sure that moves un into the top 15 in this draft. But DB needs to be exploring avenues like this to move up and grab a stud prospect eith the capital we have.
Maybe he will trade a lot of our quantity for some quality? We can only hope.
Unfortunately, with this half assed rebuild we have happening I worry that the brass thinks quantity is better than quality..

And God forbid torts has any say in drafting. He'll want a bunch of 3rd line muckers who play a 200 ft game and block shots.

Speaking of the devil.... how much longer will he be around to sabotage the attempt at a rebuild?