Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits:

Thanks on the response about the 39 on Michkov article from the last thread.

Looking forward to reading!

On #1 centers league-wide:

https://thehockeynews.com...er-for-the-2024-25-season
- Quetzalcoatl

Do the Flyers think they have addressed their #1 center issue with Jett or will they try to draft more centers next year? After drafting 3 this year i wouldn't want them to have to many similar centers on the team.

Do the Flyers think they have addressed their #1 center issue with Jett or will they try to draft more centers next year? After drafting 3 this year i wouldn't want them to have to many similar centers on the team.
- Flyers_01

Berglund is the answer. 200 ft game and offensive upside!

Do the Flyers think they have addressed their #1 center issue with Jett or will they try to draft more centers next year? After drafting 3 this year i wouldn't want them to have to many similar centers on the team.
- Flyers_01

Every single team has a player, most likely multiple players, in the same tier as Luchanko. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Luchanko and would of been an excellent pick later in the 1st round as a depth role player. Unfortunately every single draft pick for Philly is getting too overhyped as the next great star, which says more about their history more than anything.

Luchanko is the type of pick you draft, stash away to develop and forget about until they HOPEFULLY show they might have a chance to make the NHL. The Flyers need a center that is ready to go right after they draft them. I know high expectations, but sadly that is the only thing that is going to save them from bad decisions and the mediocrity loop they have been in for decadeS.

Do the Flyers think they have addressed their #1 center issue with Jett or will they try to draft more centers next year? After drafting 3 this year i wouldn't want them to have to many similar centers on the team.
- Flyers_01

If that was the case you would really have to question their talent evaluation. He could take a giant leap and be that guy, but I think he will top out as a strong two way 3C. Which any team needs of course.

If that was the case you would really have to question their talent evaluation. He could take a giant leap and be that guy, but I think he will top out as a strong two way 3C. Which any team needs of course.
- MBFlyerfan

would be mind boggling and not surprising.

No idea what he will top out as very early obviously. Wont shock me he ends up winger.

Every single team has a player, most likely multiple players, in the same tier as Luchanko. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Luchanko and would of been an excellent pick later in the 1st round as a depth role player. Unfortunately every single draft pick for Philly is getting too overhyped as the next great star, which says more about their history more than anything.

Luchanko is the type of pick you draft, stash away to develop and forget about until they HOPEFULLY show they might have a chance to make the NHL. The Flyers need a center that is ready to go right after they draft them. I know high expectations, but sadly that is the only thing that is going to save them from bad decisions and the mediocrity loop they have been in for decadeS.
- Glak18

hunter macdonald is on his way......

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits:
3) July 20 Flyers Alumni birthday: Terry Murray (1950), Murray Craven (1964), Craven A.
Cup (1993).

- bmeltzer

Thanks, Bill. Do I denote a pattern here? Hmmm

Every single team has a player, most likely multiple players, in the same tier as Luchanko. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Luchanko and would of been an excellent pick later in the 1st round as a depth role player. Unfortunately every single draft pick for Philly is getting too overhyped as the next great star, which says more about their history more than anything.

Luchanko is the type of pick you draft, stash away to develop and forget about until they HOPEFULLY show they might have a chance to make the NHL. The Flyers need a center that is ready to go right after they draft them. I know high expectations, but sadly that is the only thing that is going to save them from bad decisions and the mediocrity loop they have been in for decadeS.
- Glak18

I agree with all of it. The Flyers have Michkov. That signals full speed ahead for them. The only thing keeping them from doing it, is cap space. As soon as they get it, they're going to spend it. They can't keep 5 bucks metaphorically in their pocket. Jones all but said what they're going to do. They didn't draft a defenseman with #1 defenseman potential in part because they have Emil fricken Andrae. Who apparently is so good, he won't make the team this upcoming season.

I agree with all of it. The Flyers have Michkov. That signals full speed ahead for them. The only thing keeping them from doing it, is cap space. As soon as they get it, they're going to spend it. They can't keep 5 bucks metaphorically in their pocket. Jones all but said what they're going to do. They didn't draft a defenseman with #1 defenseman potential in part because they have Emil fricken Andrae. Who apparently is so good, he won't make the team this upcoming season.
- MJL

Come on now -- they are rebuilding we have been told numerous times - I mean hell - they traded walker with the playoffs on the line!!!!

I agree with all of it. The Flyers have Michkov. That signals full speed ahead for them. The only thing keeping them from doing it, is cap space. As soon as they get it, they're going to spend it. They can't keep 5 bucks metaphorically in their pocket. Jones all but said what they're going to do. They didn't draft a defenseman with #1 defenseman potential in part because they have Emil fricken Andrae. Who apparently is so good, he won't make the team this upcoming season.
- MJL

I don’t know if I’m right for saying or believing this but would the Flyers be justified fast tracking a little had things workout with Cutter Gauthier, particularly playing center? If Gauthier is still here, in their minds you have your Toews and Kane, could they had built on it?

I don’t know if I’m right for saying or believing this but would the Flyers be justified fast tracking a little had things workout with Cutter Gauthier, particularly playing center? If Gauthier is still here, in their minds you have your Toews and Kane, could they had built on it?
- roenick97

Don't you know that whatever the Flyers do it will be wrong according to the experts on here! We are a team of antiquated old fossils coached by a dinosaur but the fans come on here every day to provide their insight on how the team should be run. Let's trade TK and Laughts! Yep, so easy as any team should be willing to give up assets for our aging players.

Don't you know that whatever the Flyers do it will be wrong according to the experts on here! We are a team of antiquated old fossils coached by a dinosaur but the fans come on here every day to provide their insight on how the team should be run. Let's trade TK and Laughts! Yep, so easy as any team should be willing to give up assets for our aging players.
- Don Nachbaur

I’m sure you understand that most of us are frustrated. Frustrated and tired of the same old talking points from the Flyers front office as well as increased ticket prices. It’s one thing if there’s a feeling of optimism. It’s another thing if it’s the same bubble team mentality. The same “wait til next year” or “rebuild” “aggressive retool” or whatever label they put on it, despite the fact that we don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel. We all want the Flyers to be a Cup contender. I think most of us are frustrated because there doesn’t seem to be a consistent plan. Also, the cap situation is disappointing because teams picking 12th should not have the worst cap situation in the league. It’s also sort of a false narrative when people tout “3 first round picks” as evidence of a so-called rebuild when their own pick is not (it’s what they inherently own) and two likely very late picks. The chances of elite talent dwindles with Colorados and Edmonton’s picks as late as they likely will be. Also this “rebuilding” team has exactly 2 players listed as top prospects.

https://x.com/ByJonBailey...k-for-flyers-01j31vy7qw35

They’ve extended Seeler and Hathaway. Signed Johnson. Have zero elite players at the moment (Michkov is expected to be one but he hasn’t even come to the US yet nor has he played an NHL game, nor does he have elite talent around him). They are committed to a very bad long term contracts in Courturier and Riso. Have a ton of wasted cap space on players who will never play in the NHL again. And do not seem interested in attempting to acquire potentially NHL ready elite talent like Zegras and Rossi who are rumored to be available. Add that to the mix of a coach who seems to have a major issue with talented players like Farabee and Frost, and that breeds anything but positive vibes.

Don't you know that whatever the Flyers do it will be wrong according to the experts on here! We are a team of antiquated old fossils coached by a dinosaur but the fans come on here every day to provide their insight on how the team should be run. Let's trade TK and Laughts! Yep, so easy as any team should be willing to give up assets for our aging players.
- Don Nachbaur

Yeah, lets defend the organization that has missed the playoffs 4 consecutive seasons and has won a grand total of one playoff round since 2012. Boy, how crazy are we to dare question these astute hockey minds?

Enjoy your orange Kool Ade and your new era of orange.

Dogs days of hockey summer are here and in full effect.

Don't you know that whatever the Flyers do it will be wrong according to the experts on here! We are a team of antiquated old fossils coached by a dinosaur but the fans come on here every day to provide their insight on how the team should be run. Let's trade TK and Laughts! Yep, so easy as any team should be willing to give up assets for our aging players.
- Don Nachbaur

they really do a lot of things right. gold standard

Yeah, lets defend the organization that has missed the playoffs 4 consecutive seasons and has won a grand total of one playoff round since 2012. Boy, how crazy are we to dare question these astute hockey minds?

Enjoy your orange Kool Ade and your new era of orange.
- BiggE

new error of orange.

danny is either over his head, incompetent, or hand tied. either one not a good option.

None of that bickering answered my question…

Don't you know that whatever the Flyers do it will be wrong according to the experts on here! We are a team of antiquated old fossils coached by a dinosaur but the fans come on here every day to provide their insight on how the team should be run. Let's trade TK and Laughts! Yep, so easy as any team should be willing to give up assets for our aging players.
- Don Nachbaur

It is indeed the dog days. Don posted the clickbait, might as well help with the page views.

https://x.com/charlieo_co...right-move-for-the-flyers

Players were begging Briere not to trade Laughton? Is that like people walking up to Hilferty on the street thanking him for saving the Flyers?

https://thehockeynews.com...right-move-for-the-flyers

"I wasn't gonna trade him for fair value because he's more than fair value to us," Briere stated. "The intangibles that he brings to the locker room are something that has no price, and the other teams don't see that, but we do. I told him that...someone would have to overstep and really knock it out of the ballpark for us to consider it.

"I had a lot of teams interested in him, as you can imagine. There's not a lot of centermen. He's a good one, so it's a good thing for him. Teams around the NHL still value you, so I think that's exciting for him, but not good enough for us to let a player like that go who is critical to the development of our locker room and our young guys around him."
Similar view on Seeler :

https://www.nytimes.com/a...e-flyers-laughton-briere/

Briere gave a similar message when he spoke about why re-signing 30-year-old Nick Seeler to a four-year, $10.8 million contract was
palatable. Seeler wasn’t worth to other teams what he has already shown to be worth to the Flyers, and part of that was the “culture
side,” Briere said.
Along with keeping Laughton, the Flyers decided re-signing Nick Seeler to a four-year, $10.8 million was more valuable than trading him.
“He was in demand, but we felt what we were getting in return, we were getting more value by re-signing him.”

Also briere : “Hopefully we can keep it rolling in getting to the playoffs,” Briere said on Thursday. “Now that’s the goal from now on, for me
personally. … In a sense, that’s exceeded what we were hoping for at the beginning of the season.”

If anyone was still confused about it being a rebuild. The leadership provided by Nick and Scott were so great they lost what, 10 of their last 13 games. They weren't able to overcome other teams with their valuable culture.

Now on the other side of the coin :

https://buffalohockeynow.com

PuckLuck’s new WAR metric (wins above replacement) ranks Laughton as the worst player on the Flyers per 60 minutes. Below-replacement impacts at even-strength defense, powerplay offense, and shorthanded defense cost his team a little over three points in the standings based on his usage.

He's just not a very good hockey player. Any way you look at it Laughton isn't helping the Flyers rebuild or make the playoffs. He's like kid's stuffed animal or blanket. He provides security for the insecure.

PuckLuck’s new WAR metric (wins above replacement) ranks Laughton as the worst player on the Flyers per 60 minutes. Below-replacement impacts at even-strength defense, powerplay offense, and shorthanded defense cost his team a little over three points in the standings based on his usage.

He's just not a very good hockey player. Any way you look at it Laughton isn't helping the Flyers rebuild or make the playoffs. He's like kid's stuffed animal or blanket. He provides security for the insecure.
- Flyers_01

I would disagree that he's not a good player. On bad teams, players have to play in certain rules. What would a lesser players WAR metric look like if used the same role and deployment? If he's not a very good hockey player, why was there so much reported interest? The issue is that with the state of the Flyers team. The value of a player like Laughton is just not as high as it would be with a contending team.

I would disagree that he's not a good player. On bad teams, players have to play in certain rules. What would a lesser players WAR metric look like if used the same role and deployment? If he's not a very good hockey player, why was there so much reported interest? The issue is that with the state of the Flyers team. The value of a player like Laughton is just not as high as it would be with a contending team.
- MJL

Valid points but let's remember the Flyers got into bidding wars for :

Risto


Nick Deslauriers


That 9% is up from being last in the league when the Flyers acquired him.

Must have adds for the playoff bound Flyers in the last few years. Just saying that just because teams have stars in their eyes it's not necessarily true love.

Is Scott Laughton worth more than ND? :

Valid points but let's remember the Flyers got into bidding wars for :

Risto


Nick Deslauriers


That 9% is up from being last in the league when the Flyers acquired him.

Must have adds for the playoff bound Flyers in the last few years. Just saying that just because teams have stars in their eyes it's not necessarily true love.

Is Scott Laughton worth more than ND? :


- Flyers_01

Of course he is. I don't think you'll get an argument about the Flyers poor judgement on players, that they continue to show.

Yeah, lets defend the organization that has missed the playoffs 4 consecutive seasons and has won a grand total of one playoff round since 2012. Boy, how crazy are we to dare question these astute hockey minds?

Enjoy your orange Kool Ade and your new era of orange.
- BiggE

I'm not defending the org, as they've made plenty of mistakes. It just not that easy to make a trade. Laughton is 30 - even if traded, I'm not expecting much for him.
I'm willing to give DB more than a year before calling him a failure. I will not be happy when we extend TK but there's nothing I can do about it. Lol Orange Kool Aide - I'm as frustrated as you are, but I don't feel the need to complain about it every day. There's more to life than the Flyers. Enjoy the day today!

I'm not defending the org, as they've made plenty of mistakes. It just not that easy to make a trade. Laughton is 30 - even if traded, I'm not expecting much for him.
I'm willing to give DB more than a year before calling him a failure. I will not be happy when we extend TK but there's nothing I can do about it. Lol Orange Kool Aide - I'm as frustrated as you are, but I don't feel the need to complain about it every day. There's more to life than the Flyers. Enjoy the day today!
- Don Nachbaur

Your comments are ridiculous on a number of levels. You state that you don't feel the need to complain about the Flyers every day. Yet every time you come on the site, you feel the the need to complain about the people complaining about the Flyers. That's a lack of self awareness on your part. Secondly, your comment about there being more to life than the Flyers. Another asinine statement. When on this site and in this thread, the context and subject matter is the Flyers. You don't seem to understand that. So how is someone not enjoying the day or enjoying what life has to offer, by giving an opinion on the Flyers?
Thirdly and perhaps more importantly. You don't seem to be able to grasp that the complaints entail not just that trades haven't been made but the reasoning given by the team on why they're not looking to make certain moves. It reinforces and repeats the same failed concepts and thinking of the team, that has been going on for well over a decade. Despite having new people in management positions. Apparently though, according to you, they should just enjoy life and when discussing the Flyers, just enjoy life and dismiss the lack of success and failed execution of the franchise.

Your comments are delusional, unintelligent and comical. Enjoy your day.