Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Foerster, TIFH

Between Michkov, Foerster, Brink, Tippett, TK and Hathaway, at least 2 will have to play LW.

Odd way to build a roster.

Good morning and thank you


Truth is the Flyers see their core as good enough to add around it.

Travis Konecny
Owen Tippett
Sean Couturier
Joel Farabee
Morgan Frost
Matvei Michkov
Tyson Foerster
Jamie Drysdale
Cam York
Travis Sanheim
Samuel Ersson

Add in the picks this coming draft and they must believe they can thread the needle with FA and trades. Look if all goes perfect, all players take another step, they get some surprises from past drafts and by some miracle they end up moving up in the 2025 draft, yea, I can see why they think they can ice a team that might have a few years to get lucky and win. I mean Jaime D could be the real deal, Coots might round back into form, Tk with better support could get 90, Tip might end to be a great power forward, York could be a top pair D, Zamula could be a 3-5, Ers could be a #1. Frost could be a 2c , Foerster could be top 6 and selke worthy, Farabee plus could bring back a needed piece or he could be a 30 goal guy. Bonk and Barkey could be the real deal. Jett could be Jett. They might be able to get into the top 10 and top 15 of next years draft. DB could have an ace up his sleeve, he could make the blockbuster trade.

My gosh you can see why the fan base is frustrated, from all that has been done or not done, most is pinned to hope and luck, while selling off would get you into the top of the draft and is the high percentage play.

They see it as the core has been built, to much young talent to walk away from or lose with. I get that, last year was that, hell if Coots didn’t run out of steam and Torts didn’t self destruct they would have made the playoffs, see, Torts is a useful idiot. They are unwilling to sell the youth they built and falsely believe they need vets around them.

I don’t agree but will still watch, I want them to win, but there will be a part of me that wants them to lose. The TDL this season will be the final piece, if in contention for the playoffs, it will cement the path of good luck and buying their way back. Out of the playoffs and maybe they sell what they can, there is always hope, don’t hold your breath.

Either way go Flyers

Good morning and thank you


Truth is the Flyers see their core as good enough to add around it.

Travis Konecny
Owen Tippett
Sean Couturier
Joel Farabee
Morgan Frost
Matvei Michkov
Tyson Foerster
Jamie Drysdale
Cam York
Travis Sanheim
Samuel Ersson

Add in the picks this coming draft and they must believe they can thread the needle with FA and trades. Look if all goes perfect, all players take another step, they get some surprises from past drafts and by some miracle they end up moving up in the 2025 draft, yea, I can see why they think they can ice a team that might have a few years to get lucky and win. I mean Jaime D could be the real deal, Coots might round back into form, Tk with better support could get 90, Tip might end to be a great power forward, York could be a top pair D, Zamula could be a 3-5, Ers could be a #1. Frost could be a 2c , Foerster could be top 6 and selke worthy, Farabee plus could bring back a needed piece or he could be a 30 goal guy. Bonk and Barkey could be the real deal. Jett could be Jett. They might be able to get into the top 10 and top 15 of next years draft. DB could have an ace up his sleeve, he could make the blockbuster trade.

My gosh you can see why the fan base is frustrated, from all that has been done or not done, most is pinned to hope and luck, while selling off would get you into the top of the draft and is the high percentage play.

They see it as the core has been built, to much young talent to walk away from or lose with. I get that, last year was that, hell if Coots didn’t run out of steam and Torts didn’t self destruct they would have made the playoffs, see, Torts is a useful idiot. They are unwilling to sell the youth they built and falsely believe they need vets around them.

I don’t agree but will still watch, I want them to win, but there will be a part of me that wants them to lose. The TDL this season will be the final piece, if in contention for the playoffs, it will cement the path of good luck and buying their way back. Out of the playoffs and maybe they sell what they can, there is always hope, don’t hold your breath.

Either way go Flyers
- wcorvette

if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if...give me a fn break

sell who? they are all locked up long term. maybe a frost and joel though they will be lateral moves more than likely. laughton is a very slim chance to get moved.

Between Michkov, Foerster, Brink, Tippett, TK and Hathaway, at least 2 will have to play LW.

Odd way to build a roster.
- BiggE

Doesn’t tippet play left wing?

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Foerster, TIFH
- bmeltzer

I thought that tippet was a perennial 30 goal scorer who could easily pot 50 if he had a good center?!?!?!

if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if...give me a fn break

sell who? they are all locked up long term. maybe a frost and joel though they will be lateral moves more than likely. laughton is a very slim chance to get moved.
- hello it's me 2050

If they somehow strike gold in free agency and get a center, if Jamie Drysdale becomes Cale makar, if they had a goalie, they’d be a good team. I can’t wait for 5 years down the road when they are the perpetual bubble team with glaring holes. Sounds like the heart of the Giroux years…

If they somehow strike gold in free agency and get a center, if Jamie Drysdale becomes Cale makar, if they had a goalie, they’d be a good team. I can’t wait for 5 years down the road when they are the perpetual bubble team with glaring holes. Sounds like the heart of the Giroux years…
- ClaudeFather

That is it right, they need a G in his prime and a mark Howe in his, for some reason they feel like they have them or can get them. If the 2025 draft was just an average draft, I would understand a little more but it is supposed to be deep. DB seed something or someone we don’t, HOPE he is right but I have never run my business on hope.

That is it right, they need a G in his prime and a mark Howe in his, for some reason they feel like they have them or can get them. If the 2025 draft was just an average draft, I would understand a little more but it is supposed to be deep. DB seed something or someone we don’t, HOPE he is right but I have never run my business on hope.
- wcorvette

Even if they do very well in the 2025 draft, those players are 3 years from playing in the NHL and realistically 5 years (or more) from being real contributors to the NHL team.

Its crazy how many are pointing to next years draft as if those three picks will give us 3 NHL players immediately who will produce like stars.

It terrifies me that their plan seems to be to throw 8 year 12 million dollar deals at 28-31 year old UFA 1c and 1d. (because that is what it is going to take.)

Bill,

How do you feel about the majority of Konecny's salary being signing bonuses so as to make the Atkinson (buyout) option useless in the later years of the contract? Is that something that he was going to get no matter what?

Even if they do very well in the 2025 draft, those players are 3 years from playing in the NHL and realistically 5 years (or more) from being real contributors to the NHL team.

Its crazy how many are pointing to next years draft as if those three picks will give us 3 NHL players immediately who will produce like stars.

It terrifies me that their plan seems to be to throw 8 year 12 million dollar deals at 28-31 year old UFA 1c and 1d. (because that is what it is going to take.)
- MBFlyerfan

Also keep in mind do you really think any legit top
Center or defenseman will want to come to this organization? As those types will have plenty of options if they become available via free agency.

If they somehow strike gold in free agency and get a center, if Jamie Drysdale becomes Cale makar, if they had a goalie, they’d be a good team. I can’t wait for 5 years down the road when they are the perpetual bubble team with glaring holes. Sounds like the heart of the Giroux years…
- ClaudeFather

Unfortunately, this is the reality that we as Flyers fans face. I love the irony when some Flyers fans say they don't want to be patient. They need to work on that.

Bill,

How do you feel about the majority of Konecny's salary being signing bonuses so as to make the Atkinson (buyout) option useless in the later years of the contract? Is that something that he was going to get no matter what?
- Flyers_01

According to capwages, that is not the case. He only has signing bonus money for the first 5 years of the deal and the signing bonus money equals 30.5M of the total 70M of the deal. So less than half. They would have the ability to buy his contract out in the last 3 years of the contract.

Good morning and thank you

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Add in the picks this coming draft and they must believe they can thread the needle with FA and trades. Look if all goes perfect, all players take another step, they get some surprises from past drafts and by some miracle they end up moving up in the 2025 draft, yea, I can see why they think they can ice a team that might have a few years to get lucky and win. I mean Jaime D could be the real deal, Coots might round back into form, Tk with better support could get 90, Tip might end to be a great power forward, York could be a top pair D, Zamula could be a 3-5, Ers could be a #1. Frost could be a 2c , Foerster could be top 6 and selke worthy, Farabee plus could bring back a needed piece or he could be a 30 goal guy. Bonk and Barkey could be the real deal. Jett could be Jett. They might be able to get into the top 10 and top 15 of next years draft. DB could have an ace up his sleeve, he could make the blockbuster trade.

My gosh you can see why the fan base is frustrated, from all that has been done or not done, most is pinned to hope and luck, while selling off would get you into the top of the draft and is the high percentage play.

They see it as the core has been built, to much young talent to walk away from or lose with. I get that, last year was that, hell if Coots didn’t run out of steam and Torts didn’t self destruct they would have made the playoffs, see, Torts is a useful idiot. They are unwilling to sell the youth they built and falsely believe they need vets around them.

I don’t agree but will still watch, I want them to win, but there will be a part of me that wants them to lose. The TDL this season will be the final piece, if in contention for the playoffs, it will cement the path of good luck and buying their way back. Out of the playoffs and maybe they sell what they can, there is always hope, don’t hold your breath.

Either way go Flyers
- wcorvette

This magical thinking by the fans is why they will never be held accountable. Even if you don't think it's likely, you think it's possible that every player on the team will level up to their best possible potential selves and having the best possible season no matter what.

The question is as a fan of the team, what is your #1 priority above all others. Win this year or win the Stanley cup because they are 2 different goals and 2 different rosters. The Flyers are prioritizing the first while selling the fans the latter. Chicago fans go to games to support their young players, not to try to will them into the playoffs this year.

For the Flyers it's GO TIME. Acquiring more talent is for loser teams. The fact that Michkov was acquired after another failed "go for it" year is lost on them.

If the Flyers are not eliminated from playoff contention at the TDL, expect some of those picks to spent bolstering their run.

The Flyers aren't trying to thread the needle, they aren't subtle, play 3d chess, etc. They couldn't buy vets because they had no choice and they turned to comcast's PR department so instead of being out of assets and out of cap space they were rebranded into "rebuilding". Now they are getting out of jail so to speak.

According to capwages, that is not the case. He only has signing bonus money for the first 5 years of the deal and the signing bonus money equals 30.5M of the total 70M of the deal. So less than half. They would have the ability to buy his contract out in the last 3 years of the contract.
- MJL

https://www.yardbarker.co...ontract/s1_17219_40658952

Even a buyout is mostly out of the equation; Konecny is getting a massive portion of his money in signing bonuses each year, and the Flyers cannot save that money in a buyout.

Maybe yardbarker has it wrong. One of them is.

Edit : Here we go. 6 years of signing bonuses.

https://x.com/PuckPedia/status/1816640844637831247

Konecny 8*$8.75M #Flyers extension:

Yr 1: 2M Base & 9M Signing Bonus
Yr 2: 5.25M & 3M SB
Yr 3: 3.5M & 7.5M SB
Yr 4: 4.6M & 6M SB
Yr 5: 4.35M & 5M SB
Yr 6: 2.1M & 4.5M SB
Yr 7: 6.6M Base
Yr 8: 6.6M Base

Edit #2 : Is the signing bonus being used to circumvent cap restrictions regarding how much the salary can vary over the life of the contract? It seems very frontloaded.

Good morning and thank you


Truth is the Flyers see their core as good enough to add around it.

Travis Konecny
Owen Tippett
Sean Couturier
Joel Farabee
Morgan Frost
Matvei Michkov
Tyson Foerster
Jamie Drysdale
Cam York
Travis Sanheim
Samuel Ersson

Add in the picks this coming draft and they must believe they can thread the needle with FA and trades. Look if all goes perfect, all players take another step, they get some surprises from past drafts and by some miracle they end up moving up in the 2025 draft, yea, I can see why they think they can ice a team that might have a few years to get lucky and win. I mean Jaime D could be the real deal, Coots might round back into form, Tk with better support could get 90, Tip might end to be a great power forward, York could be a top pair D, Zamula could be a 3-5, Ers could be a #1. Frost could be a 2c , Foerster could be top 6 and selke worthy, Farabee plus could bring back a needed piece or he could be a 30 goal guy. Bonk and Barkey could be the real deal. Jett could be Jett. They might be able to get into the top 10 and top 15 of next years draft. DB could have an ace up his sleeve, he could make the blockbuster trade.

My gosh you can see why the fan base is frustrated, from all that has been done or not done, most is pinned to hope and luck, while selling off would get you into the top of the draft and is the high percentage play.

They see it as the core has been built, to much young talent to walk away from or lose with. I get that, last year was that, hell if Coots didn’t run out of steam and Torts didn’t self destruct they would have made the playoffs, see, Torts is a useful idiot. They are unwilling to sell the youth they built and falsely believe they need vets around them.

I don’t agree but will still watch, I want them to win, but there will be a part of me that wants them to lose. The TDL this season will be the final piece, if in contention for the playoffs, it will cement the path of good luck and buying their way back. Out of the playoffs and maybe they sell what they can, there is always hope, don’t hold your breath.

Either way go Flyers
- wcorvette

And if the Queen had balls, she'd be the King!

Even if they do very well in the 2025 draft, those players are 3 years from playing in the NHL and realistically 5 years (or more) from being real contributors to the NHL team.

Its crazy how many are pointing to next years draft as if those three picks will give us 3 NHL players immediately who will produce like stars.

It terrifies me that their plan seems to be to throw 8 year 12 million dollar deals at 28-31 year old UFA 1c and 1d. (because that is what it is going to take.)
- MBFlyerfan

This. The plan is to spend to the cap once the remove all the dead money. It’s clear as day and even goes along with what Joensy keeps telling us.

https://www.yardbarker.co...ontract/s1_17219_40658952

Even a buyout is mostly out of the equation; Konecny is getting a massive portion of his money in signing bonuses each year, and the Flyers cannot save that money in a buyout.

Maybe yardbarker has it wrong. One of them is.

Edit : Here we go. 6 years of signing bonuses.

https://x.com/PuckPedia/status/1816640844637831247

Konecny 8*$8.75M #Flyers extension:

Yr 1: 2M Base & 9M Signing Bonus
Yr 2: 5.25M & 3M SB
Yr 3: 3.5M & 7.5M SB
Yr 4: 4.6M & 6M SB
Yr 5: 4.35M & 5M SB
Yr 6: 2.1M & 4.5M SB
Yr 7: 6.6M Base
Yr 8: 6.6M Base

Edit #2 : Is the signing bonus being used to circumvent cap restrictions regarding how much the salary can vary over the life of the contract? It seems very frontloaded.
- Flyers_01

Cap wages only has signing bonus money in the first 5 years of the deal. Even in what you post, they can still buy him out in the last two years of the deal. Which is when a buyout is most likely to occur.

https://capwages.com/players/travis-konecny

Cap wages only has signing bonus money in the first 5 years of the deal. Even in what you post, they can still buy him out in the last two years of the deal. Which is when a buyout is most likely to occur.

https://capwages.com/players/travis-konecny
- MJL

I understood that after i posted the first edit but thanks. Signing bonus discrepancy aside between the 2 wage sites, would the front loading of the contract be an issue without the large yearly signing bonuses?

I understood that after i posted the first edit but thanks. Signing bonus discrepancy aside between the 2 wage sites, would the front loading of the contract be an issue without the large yearly signing bonuses?
- Flyers_01

I don't see the front loading as much of an issue. Looking closely at what cap wages has posted for the contract. I believe they have an error in the 6th year of deal. They have 0 for signing bonus money for that year. They have the base salary as 4.5M and the total salary as 2.1M, That's not possible. I believe it should read 2.1M as signing bonus money and the total salary should read 6.6M with the base as 4.5M

Even if they do very well in the 2025 draft, those players are 3 years from playing in the NHL and realistically 5 years (or more) from being real contributors to the NHL team.

Its crazy how many are pointing to next years draft as if those three picks will give us 3 NHL players immediately who will produce like stars.



It terrifies me that their plan seems to be to throw 8 year 12 million dollar deals at 28-31 year old UFA 1c and 1d. (because that is what it is going to take.)
- MBFlyerfan

I agree, if they can get in top 5 you probably have a player in 2 years. Having 2 out of the draft within 4 years still fits with the core they have now, but they would have to be top end picks, chance at being just below elite, super long shot drafting in the teens that you even get a top line player. Just strange, only thing left is FA and hockey trades, my gut says DB is looking at hockey trade. If Foerster grows, Tip hits 30 goals, Farabee hits 30 goals, it would not surprise me if DB put a package together for a D or C, MM and TK are in, others will be bait. If Bonk is the real deal and York grows, do they package York with one of the above forwards, have to give to get.

I agree, if they can get in top 5 you probably have a player in 2 years. Having 2 out of the draft within 4 years still fits with the core they have now, but they would have to be top end picks, chance at being just below elite, super long shot drafting in the teens that you even get a top line player. Just strange, only thing left is FA and hockey trades, my gut says DB is looking at hockey trade. If Foerster grows, Tip hits 30 goals, Farabee hits 30 goals, it would not surprise me if DB put a package together for a D or C, MM and TK are in, others will be bait. If Bonk is the real deal and York grows, do they package York with one of the above forwards, have to give to get.
- wcorvette

Unless it's an aging player on the downside of his career from a team who wants out of a contract. You're not getting a legit 1C or 1D for a package of York and one of the forwards.

Bill,

How do you feel about the majority of Konecny's salary being signing bonuses so as to make the Atkinson (buyout) option useless in the later years of the contract? Is that something that he was going to get no matter what?
- Flyers_01

They needed to remove a wing to make room for MM. It was Cam or ND. I guess they didn't feel good about Cam sitting in the press box

Good morning and thank you


Truth is the Flyers see their core as good enough to add around it.

Travis Konecny
Owen Tippett
Sean Couturier
Joel Farabee
Morgan Frost
Matvei Michkov
Tyson Foerster
Jamie Drysdale
Cam York
Travis Sanheim
Samuel Ersson

Add in the picks this coming draft and they must believe they can thread the needle with FA and trades. Look if all goes perfect, all players take another step, they get some surprises from past drafts and by some miracle they end up moving up in the 2025 draft, yea, I can see why they think they can ice a team that might have a few years to get lucky and win. I mean Jaime D could be the real deal, Coots might round back into form, Tk with better support could get 90, Tip might end to be a great power forward, York could be a top pair D, Zamula could be a 3-5, Ers could be a #1. Frost could be a 2c , Foerster could be top 6 and selke worthy, Farabee plus could bring back a needed piece or he could be a 30 goal guy. Bonk and Barkey could be the real deal. Jett could be Jett. They might be able to get into the top 10 and top 15 of next years draft. DB could have an ace up his sleeve, he could make the blockbuster trade.

My gosh you can see why the fan base is frustrated, from all that has been done or not done, most is pinned to hope and luck, while selling off would get you into the top of the draft and is the high percentage play.

They see it as the core has been built, to much young talent to walk away from or lose with. I get that, last year was that, hell if Coots didn’t run out of steam and Torts didn’t self destruct they would have made the playoffs, see, Torts is a useful idiot. They are unwilling to sell the youth they built and falsely believe they need vets around them.

I don’t agree but will still watch, I want them to win, but there will be a part of me that wants them to lose. The TDL this season will be the final piece, if in contention for the playoffs, it will cement the path of good luck and buying their way back. Out of the playoffs and maybe they sell what they can, there is always hope, don’t hold your breath.

Either way go Flyers
- wcorvette


And if the Queen had balls, she'd be the King!



Not in todays world queens with balls are all over the place. Just check out some of the olympic s opening ceremony video.

They needed to remove a wing to make room for MM. It was Cam or ND. I guess they didn't feel good about Cam sitting in the press box
- WhiskeyMan

No but you could get someone who has the potential, while I agree they don’t hand elite talent, Tip, York, Farabee, Foerster, all have a good season, they will all have real value. I mean York and Tip and a pick in a package, for the right team would be a haul, no?