John Jaeckel: 4 Weeks Til Deadline; What To Expect

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I want Sarich.

JJ, you mention some were allowed to 'scout a practice'? What for? What can they see there they can't see on game video.

And it really is a sign of how far Beach's stock has fallen that he doesn't even warrant a mention in your list of prospects available.

Brett Clark from Tampa, Andy Sutton from Edmonton, Cory Sarich from CGY...I'd take Sutton of the decision was mine.

I want Sarich.

JJ, you mention some were allowed to 'scout a practice'? What for? What can they see there they can't see on game video.

And it really is a sign of how far Beach's stock has fallen that he doesn't even warrant a mention in your list of prospects available.
- philco28

Work ethic and coachability perhaps. Especially for younger or struggling players.

As for any deals, I don't disagree with management's view of the team. They are not that far away, ans with some useful veteran help they can be a serious contender.

As I've always maintained, I don't believe they need a big acquisition like a Ryan Suter. That of course is thanks in large part to Andrew Shaw's emergence. Otherwise they would need another bottom 6 physical forward.

With Morrison, one of Sutton, Sarich or Clark let's say, and another decent penalty killing forward perhaps, I think we'd be ok.

Could be Sutton or Sarich. I'd rather have Sutton.

JJ - Do you think a deal could also include bad contract for bad contract?

Maybe say Frolik, prospect, pick for Sutton and Horcoff?

I want Sarich.

JJ, you mention some were allowed to 'scout a practice'? What for? What can they see there they can't see on game video.

And it really is a sign of how far Beach's stock has fallen that he doesn't even warrant a mention in your list of prospects available.
- philco28

They could see Bickell who has only played one game in the last month or so.

Beach might merit a mention, but couple his lack of improvement with the fact he's been out of action for months and it would be doubtful he would be a significant piece of any deal. Maybe a throw in to finalize something.

Sutton and throw in a Gagner for a Kane Gagner reunion !!

Work ethic and coachability perhaps. Especially for younger or struggling players.

As for any deals, I don't disagree with management's view of the team. They are not that far away, ans with some useful veteran help they can be a serious contender.

As I've always maintained, I don't believe they need a big acquisition like a Ryan Suter. That of course is thanks in large part to Andrew Shaw's emergence. Otherwise they would need another bottom 6 physical forward.

With Morrison, one of Sutton, Sarich or Clark let's say, and another decent penalty killing forward perhaps, I think we'd be ok.
- andru2797

Good point about why they might want to watch a practice...just don't let Allen Iverson get wind of this thread

if boston ended up trading thomas what do you think it would take to get him?

...not saying this will happen. just curious

They are all pretty close. I think I'll take Sarich, because he is a right handed dman

I want Sarich.

JJ, you mention some were allowed to 'scout a practice'? What for? What can they see there they can't see on game video.

And it really is a sign of how far Beach's stock has fallen that he doesn't even warrant a mention in your list of prospects available.
- philco28

No, just a wild guess. I am not saying that happened for sure. Scouts like to see players in person. That's what they do.

Could be Sutton or Sarich. I'd rather have Sutton.

JJ - Do you think a deal could also include bad contract for bad contract?

Maybe say Frolik, prospect, pick for Sutton and Horcoff?
- golfbard

Forget Horcoff right now.

No, just a wild guess. I am not saying that happened for sure. Scouts like to see players in person. That's what they do.
- John Jaeckel

Just a guess JJ? I want hard, empirical, first hand data

JJ,

Does Clark from Tampa give us what we are needing? I see him like a cross between Campoli and a smaller slower big guy.

Just curious on how you see him helping..Would he be a good pair for Montador...a better more responsible zone guy?

Thanks,
TG

It is also possible that Frolik is the guy they want, and we do not want to risk injury during this 24 to 48 hour window for this trade.

It is also possible that Frolik is the guy they want, and we do not want to risk injury during this 24 to 48 hour window for this trade.
- TrueGrit

Yes, quite possible.

They are all pretty close. I think I'll take Sarich, because he is a right handed dman
- hockey nut 28

Sutton is a big nasty dude, but he's a plodder and a marked man who is a 5 minute major waiting to happen.

Sarich and Hjammer would be an ideal 3-4. I personally believe that when you have a left and right shot combined in a d pairing, it makes for easier passing and outletting. But i'm not sure if Hjammer prefers left defense which would favor his forehand or does he play left defense? Ditto with Sarich.

JJ,

Does Clark from Tampa give us what we are needing? I see him like a cross between Campoli and a smaller slower big guy.

Just curious on how you see him helping..Would he be a good pair for Montador...a better more responsible zone guy?

Thanks,
TG
- TrueGrit

I hear the Hawks like Clark, FWIW,

Sutton is a big nasty dude, but he's a plodder and a marked man who is a 5 minute major waiting to happen.

Sarich and Hjammer would be an ideal 3-4. I personally believe that when you have a left and right shot combined in a d pairing, it makes for easier passing and outletting. But i'm not sure if Hjammer prefers left defense which would favor his forehand or does he play left defense? Ditto with Sarich.
- philco28

Sarich makes $1.4 million more than Sutton, and the Hawks might want flexibility to make another deal or two, Calgary might have a different asking price for him, too.

I woud not be surprised to see either in Chicago by 2/27 though. They are similar.

Work ethic and coachability perhaps. Especially for younger or struggling players.

As for any deals, I don't disagree with management's view of the team. They are not that far away, ans with some useful veteran help they can be a serious contender.

As I've always maintained, I don't believe they need a big acquisition like a Ryan Suter. That of course is thanks in large part to Andrew Shaw's emergence. Otherwise they would need another bottom 6 physical forward.

With Morrison, one of Sutton, Sarich or Clark let's say, and another decent penalty killing forward perhaps, I think we'd be ok.
- andru2797

If they're healthy come playoff time and that forward can deliver a meaningful check, I might agree with you.

If they're healthy come playoff time and that forward can deliver a meaningful check, I might agree with you.
- John Jaeckel

Moen?

Sutton is a big nasty dude, but he's a plodder and a marked man who is a 5 minute major waiting to happen.
- philco28

Although Sutton has gotten himself into some trouble this year, he's surprisingly mobile with the puck and very effective at moving it up the zone, out of harms way. I have a lot more respect for the guy after seeing him play a lot more with Edmonton this year. He's been a difference maker for the Oilers defense this year when he's been in the lineup.

I think any team that is making a serious push could use him as a stabilizing force on the backend. Plus we all know that penalties are just not called the same in the playoffs. I think he'd be a perfect, physical 5/6 for your team and likely wouldn't cost a boat load.

I am totally prepared to be underwhelmed by whatever defenseman Stan brings in. Stan's trade history is to get a guy who "in theory" can fill the slot needed but "in reality is a lower tiered guy.

Montador "in theory" could provide some top 4 minutes but "in reality" is a 3rd line defenseman.

Morrison"in theory" can play the second line pivot. "In reality" he's older, past his prime, and better suited for the 4th line ( which I think is fine.)

Frolik "in theory' could be the left handed center for Hossa. "in reality" he's the biggest bust of the season and deserves his spot in the pressbox or fourth line duty.

I don't know. As long as it's not Hal Gill I guess I'll be okay with whoever Stan brings in. Simply because it sounds like there isn't a real 2nd line defenseman to be had. At least at something reasonable.

So Theo Peckham will come here, maybe a Brett Lebda, (it's almost always someone nobody discusses. Anyone suggest Brendan Morrison?) ad we'll meet up on this board and say "Perhaps...."