the ole " you cheer for a bad team so u must be wrong"

I hadn't heard it in awhile and kinda assumed the masses had wised up to how idiotic this retort was.

1. were u under the impression im chiarell or mactavish just lurking on hockeybuzz??sorry bro. im not.
I didnt construct the oilers. I have no say in the building of the team I happen to cheer for.

2. by your estimation- looking at your contention from the other side-
if you cheer for a good team then u automatically are the most knowledgeable fans in hockey?
so if hawks or tampa fans or the kings fans over the last few years said something, you were always deferential to their opinion cause they obviously must know the most right?? by acquiring hedman/stamkos etc their fans were given that hockey IQ through osmosis?


you really teed that one up for me...
- Ihateallofu

hot takes only

BTW...Petry sucks.

hot takes only
- DDM-Coga

Soo many haters on today. What today has shown is how little credibility most of the haters have and also how sad their are for talking poop with no credible backup.

Heres a cool story. If the habs lose price, yes the team will sttuggle and probably arent as good. But what makes this a cool story is that if that happened to any of the other 29 teams, losing yheir best player would make them less good too.

But what is true is that th habs have depth, have oitshot opponents 90% of the time and that means you too det, 23 shots to 3 inthe 3rd of last game. Price cant score, but with any good team(s) having a stellar goalie is pretty good.

What i see here is a bunch of dave naylor and festchuk followers spreading the same rhetoric... Then festchuk admita to only seeing the habs play once this year. And ya price kept th habs in that game vs toronto.

Its hard for any team to win 4 on the road let alone the first 4 gmes.
Its hard to keep teams to under 10 and sometimes 5 shots a period for any team
Its hard to build a team thats getting scoring from all 4 lines. Our 4th has played over 12 mins a game most games.

With that said, sure the optimism is high and its warented. Maybe watch some more hockey befor you put on the hate... You look uninformed, albeit its your opinion, but still you look silly. Ps ya i watch alot of the oilers flames pens ott. Lets say i wtch a poop ton of hockey. Objectivity does you more in the long run

Soo many haters on today. What today has shown is how little credibility most of the haters have and also how sad their are for talking poop with no credible backup.

Heres a cool story. If the habs lose price, yes the team will sttuggle and probably arent as good. But what makes this a cool story is that if that happened to any of the other 29 teams, losing yheir best player would make them less good too.

But what is true is that th habs have depth, have oitshot opponents 90% of the time and that means you too det, 23 shots to 3 inthe 3rd of last game. Price cant score, but with any good team(s) having a stellar goalie is pretty good.

What i see here is a bunch of dave naylor and festchuk followers spreading the same rhetoric... Then festchuk admita to only seeing the habs play once this year. And ya price kept th habs in that game vs toronto.

Its hard for any team to win 4 on the road let alone the first 4 gmes.
Its hard to keep teams to under 10 and sometimes 5 shots a period for any team
Its hard to build a team thats getting scoring from all 4 lines. Our 4th has played over 12 mins a game most games.

With that said, sure the optimism is high and its warented. Maybe watch some more hockey befor you put on the hate... You look uninformed, albeit its your opinion, but still you look silly. Ps ya i watch alot of the oilers flames pens ott. Lets say i wtch a poop ton of hockey. Objectivity does you more in the long run
- munky123

Wow...that's a really great pozzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

Soo many haters on today. What today has shown is how little credibility most of the haters have and also how sad their are for talking poop with no credible backup.

Heres a cool story. If the habs lose price, yes the team will sttuggle and probably arent as good. But what makes this a cool story is that if that happened to any of the other 29 teams, losing yheir best player would make them less good too.

But what is true is that th habs have depth, have oitshot opponents 90% of the time and that means you too det, 23 shots to 3 inthe 3rd of last game. Price cant score, but with any good team(s) having a stellar goalie is pretty good.

What i see here is a bunch of dave naylor and festchuk followers spreading the same rhetoric... Then festchuk admita to only seeing the habs play once this year. And ya price kept th habs in that game vs toronto.

Its hard for any team to win 4 on the road let alone the first 4 gmes.
Its hard to keep teams to under 10 and sometimes 5 shots a period for any team
Its hard to build a team thats getting scoring from all 4 lines. Our 4th has played over 12 mins a game most games.

With that said, sure the optimism is high and its warented. Maybe watch some more hockey befor you put on the hate... You look uninformed, albeit its your opinion, but still you look silly. Ps ya i watch alot of the oilers flames pens ott. Lets say i wtch a poop ton of hockey. Objectivity does you more in the long run
- munky123

maybe sprinkle in a few Hooked on Phonics tapes between hockey games

Wow...that's a really great pozzzzzzzzzzzzzz........
- yemrots

Ya its a cool story. I love poiting out the obvious on the interwebz. I feel better about myself. Better than sounding butt hurt or bitter

Soo many haters on today. What today has shown is how little credibility most of the haters have and also how sad their are for talking poop with no credible backup.

Heres a cool story. If the habs lose price, yes the team will sttuggle and probably arent as good. But what makes this a cool story is that if that happened to any of the other 29 teams, losing yheir best player would make them less good too.

But what is true is that th habs have depth, have oitshot opponents 90% of the time and that means you too det, 23 shots to 3 inthe 3rd of last game. Price cant score, but with any good team(s) having a stellar goalie is pretty good.

What i see here is a bunch of dave naylor and festchuk followers spreading the same rhetoric... Then festchuk admita to only seeing the habs play once this year. And ya price kept th habs in that game vs toronto.

Its hard for any team to win 4 on the road let alone the first 4 gmes.
Its hard to keep teams to under 10 and sometimes 5 shots a period for any team
Its hard to build a team thats getting scoring from all 4 lines. Our 4th has played over 12 mins a game most games.

With that said, sure the optimism is high and its warented. Maybe watch some more hockey befor you put on the hate... You look uninformed, albeit its your opinion, but still you look silly. Ps ya i watch alot of the oilers flames pens ott. Lets say i wtch a poop ton of hockey. Objectivity does you more in the long run
- munky123

so like, you wanna be the pot or the kettle?

all the people who don't agree with you are bias and nothing more than haters, but youre completely objective of course.......

to be honest, I don't see any more evidence or facts in your opinion than many of those who don't agree with it.

its really no different than last year. the habs were successful but their fans were still having these same arguments. we don't get enough credit etc etc.
turned out they were wrong and everyone else was right. they weren't real contenders.

its a wasted effort to try and drive your opinion home by saying no one else knows as much as you. or they don't watch as much hockey as you. has this worked for you in the past?

maybe sprinkle in a few Hooked on Phonics tapes between hockey games
- drexel

you dont watch as much hockey as he does.
please refrain from posting your opinion.

thank you

so like, you wanna be the pot or the kettle?

all the people who don't agree with you are bias and nothing more than haters, but youre completely objective of course.......

to be honest, I don't see any more evidence or facts in your opinion than many of those who don't agree with.


its a wasted effort to try and drive your opinion home by saying no one else knows as much as you. or they don't watch as much hockey as you. has this worked for you in the past?
- Ihateallofu

Thats completely fair and a rather lame post from me. But i dont see how other teams get the credit for doing the exact same things the habs are doing or hae done for the last 3 years. To call them a poop team or the carey price show does show how little hocey the poster watches or that they cant give credit where credit is due. My rant was stupid, im at work and have fat fingers. Haha btw hooked of phonics was a good one

Thats completely fair and a rather lame post. But i dont see how other teams get the credit for doing the exact same things the habs are doing or hae done for the last 3 years. To call them a poop team or the carey price show does show how little hocey the poster watches or that they cant give credit where credit is due. My rant was stupid, im at work and have fat fingers. Haha btw hooked of phonics was a good one
- munky123

*on

[quote=munky123]
I think theres middle ground that you just might not feel is enough. and that's fine.

but no one is saying theyre a terrible team. im certainly not. just not a true contender.
and I think the price comments just try to drive that home further.
not only do they believe you aint a true contender even with price, theyre more making a statement of what they think of mtl without price.

the best part is, we're gonna get a chance to find out by the end of the year.
and they don't even have to win a cup to vindicate your thoughts. but they need to be somewhere near there and have beaten a couple of the teams that are considered true contenders along the way. even better for you, they don't have to navigate through some of those beasts in the west either

they get through a couple of nyr, tampa and Washington in the playoffs---itll be tough to argue against.
but 6 games into the regular season isn't proving anything.

they had petry in the playoffs last year and weren't true contenders then, so I don't see how a full regular season of him changes anything in the playoffs. its not like hes 23 and developing.

the rest of those additions/subtractions are pretty relative. add mediocre player in-subtract mediocre player out


if galchenyuk take a big step forward this year, I think that could be huge for you. but that remains to be seen
- Ihateallofu

Wow, sadden me that you probably have the right to vote today...

I think theres middle ground that you just might not feel is enough. and that's fine.

but no one is saying theyre a terrible team. im certainly not. just not a true contender.
and I think the price comments just try to drive that home further.
not only do they believe you aint a true contender even with price, theyre more making a statement of what they think of mtl without price.

the best part is, we're gonna get a chance to find out by the end of the year.
and they don't even have to win a cup to vindicate your thoughts. but they need to be somewhere near there and have beaten a couple of the teams that are considered true contenders along the way. even better for you, they don't have to navigate through some of those beasts in the west either

they get through a couple of nyr, tampa and Washington in the playoffs---itll be tough to argue against.
but 6 games into the regular season isn't proving anything.
- Ihateallofu

Finally some good dialog. Thats fair, but the habs mopped the floor last playoffs, possesion, shots, hits faceoffs etc against all the teams they faced. Even tampa. Actually especially vs tampa. Tampa won with a solid pp and bishop. The bishop show. Bit i agree with what you said. The proof is in the pudding, still the habs rarely get a fair assesment and like price said afer beating the rangers, majority of the media and fans from the other orgs think "they are overated, but are actually a very good team" vignault said the habs put on a a clinis vs the rangers.... Alveit 6 games in, but if their past has shown anything they can win, this year theyve come out stronger then the last 2.

You said it tho, time will tell! I hope the oilers can ride som success too this year. By far its been the most frustrating hokey ive watched this year.

Wow, sadden me that you probably have the right to vote today...
- Xizord

"You mean you don't agree that my favourite team is amazing??!! And you don't agree that my favourite team is a contender??!! You're so stupid and biased!!"





Also; *Wow, it saddens me....
At least get your grammar and punctuation correct if you're going to attempt to insult someone.


Furthermore, are you insinuating that you don't appreciate that we have a pluralistic government? You want only like minded individuals allowed to vote?
Real democracy lover you are bro!!

With an opinion like that, it actually saddens me that YOU are allowed to vote.

they are offenders of course...

I think it was obvious before the season started that they were one of the better teams in the East.

The 6-0 start is great, but they were contenders this year regardless of their start.

Finally some good dialog. Thats fair, but the habs mopped the floor last playoffs, possesion, shots, hits faceoffs etc against all the teams they faced. Even tampa. Actually especially vs tampa. Tampa won with a solid pp and bishop. The bishop show. Bit i agree with what you said. The proof is in the pudding, still the habs rarely get a fair assesment and like price said afer beating the rangers, majority of the media and fans from the other orgs think "they are overated, but are actually a very good team" vignault said the habs put on a a clinis vs the rangers.... Alveit 6 games in, but if their past has shown anything they can win, this year theyve come out stronger then the last 2.

You said it tho, time will tell! I hope the oilers can ride som success too this year. By far its been the most frustrating hokey ive watched this year.
- munky123

Tampa almost swept you. They didn't win just because of Ben Bishop.


imo, id say the habs are the 3rd or 4th best team in the east.
and probably 7th or 8 in the league


Anaheim
st.loo
tampa
Chicago
nyr
Washington
Winnipeg
nashville
montreal


admittedly, im pretty high on the jets. really effin good team. big, physical, deep on defence, deep on the wings etc. suspect in net though

just my opnion

"You mean you don't agree that my favourite team is amazing??!! And you don't agree that my favourite team is a contender??!! You're so stupid and biased!!"





Also; *Wow, it saddens me....
At least get your grammar and punctuation correct if you're going to attempt to insult someone.


Furthermore, are you insinuating that you don't appreciate that we have a pluralistic government? You want only like minded individuals allowed to vote?
Real democracy lover you are bro!!

With an opinion like that, it actually saddens me that YOU are allowed to vote.
- Ihateallofu

Haha ya. But t
We dont live in a true democracy fyi. Im glad we have many opinions, but the way its set up is beyond terrible. Its actually very undemocratic the way the majority gov gets power and is able to make decisions for a huge % of tax paying citizens that dont share the same ideologies. If we were talking about 100 people vs a million not aggreeing, well that a dif story. The way we set it up is just sooo passsé

Tampa almost swept you. They didn't win just because of Ben Bishop.


imo, id say the habs are the 3rd or 4th best team in the east.
and probably 7th or 8 in the league


Anaheim
st.loo
tampa
Chicago
nyr
Washington
Winnipeg
nashville
montreal


admittedly, im pretty high on the jets. really effin good team. big, physical, deep on defence, deep on the wings etc. suspect in net though

just my opnion
- Ihateallofu

For sure, but check the box score of that tampa series. I know the score is what counts, but tampa didnt win any of the stas battles. Something that does gauge how good a team is playing. The pp killed the habs and price was less than stellar, played sorta like bernier esq

So my question to you is, what makes those teams, was, st loo win etc better than the habs? What was the tell that led you to think that?

Haha ya. But t
We dont live in a true democracy fyi. Im glad we have many opinions, but the way its set up is beyond terrible. Its actually very undemocratic the way the majority gov gets power and is able to make decisions for a huge % of tax paying citizens that dont share the same ideologies. If we were talking about 100 people vs a million not aggreeing, well that a dif story. The way we set it up is just sooo passsé
- munky123

passe? no longer fashionable? yeah I guess.


yeah, its actually a republic. and first past the post being unfair is just kinda semantics under these terms. while its true, it really has no bearing that that mong frenchie fascist made the idiotic comment about only those that agree with him should be allowed to vote.

talk smack about my mom or the oilers whatever. But try and step on my constitutionally protected rights and ill go postal!

For sure, but check the box score of that tampa series. I know the score is what counts, but tampa didnt win any of the stas battles. Something that does gauge how good a team is playing. The pp killed the habs and price was less than stellar, played sorta like bernier esq

So my question to you is, what makes those teams, was, st loo win etc better than the habs? What was the tell that led you to think that?
- munky123

exactly. Price doesn't stand on his head and youre cooked. you had no answer for the triplets. that line had 17 points. the whole team just had too much firepower for you guys.
and at the end of the day, you have to make your own success. they score timely goals.




and what makes any team better? it depends on the team I guess.
st.loo is much deeper, more physical, stronger defensively, limit chances, play a relentless style that im not sure anyone in the east can handle. we saw that from the kings who played a very similar style on the way to their 2 cups.

Tampa almost swept you. They didn't win just because of Ben Bishop.


imo, id say the habs are the 3rd or 4th best team in the east.
and probably 7th or 8 in the league


Anaheim
st.loo
tampa
Chicago
nyr
Washington
Winnipeg
nashville
montreal


admittedly, im pretty high on the jets. really effin good team. big, physical, deep on defence, deep on the wings etc. suspect in net though

just my opnion
- Ihateallofu

You have St. Louis as number 2 however by your previous comments surrounding 'doing anything in the postseason' they couldn't possibly be a contender. The same holds true with winnipeg and nashville. Washington could also fall into that category as they havent beaten a true contender in the playoffs in some time.

I have no issue with people thinking the Habs are pretenders - if you base it off of their corsi and GF last season you'd be right that they were in the bottom half of the league and without Price they likely would have been a bubble team.

However this is not last season and system and personnel change year over year. 6 games is a tiny sample size but the habs are playing dominant hockey right now and the pickups or Petry, Semin, Fleischman are paying dividends along with the growth of Galchenyuk and the new line combinations and systems that they are employing. They do not play dump and chase hockey like they used to.

So if you provide some cogent arguments as to why they are pretenders i will certainly listen but based on what we have seen of the 2015-2016 season they are most definitely contenders.

passe? no longer fashionable? yeah I guess.


yeah, its actually a republic. and first past the post being unfair is just kinda semantics under these terms. while its true, it really has no bearing that that mong fascist made that idiotic comment about only those that agree with him should be allowed to vote.

talk smack about my mom or the oilers whatever. But try and step on my constitutionally protected rights and ill go postal!
- Ihateallofu

Haha very true. That said i am of the opinion too that there is alot of people with povs or ideolgies that get to vote and for their voting and the party they vote does nothing for the advancement of the human race. We live in a world where we try and keep tradition from 100++++ years ago alive because its "comfortable" or"its to scary to think of radical change" and yet those passé forms of governace or ideological thought does more harm and creates more conflict and keeps getting voted in. Or their mandate gets traction amongst the simple folks. Anyway (frank) politics goo sports! And hopefully not another 4 of ol haros hahaha.

exactly. Price doesn't stand on his head and youre cooked. you had no answer for the triplets. that line had 17 points. the whole team just had too much firepower for you guys.
and at the end of the day, you have to make your own success. they score timely goals.

and what makes any team better? it depends on the team I guess.
st.loo is much deeper, more physical, stronger defensively, limit chances, play a relentless style that im not sure anyone in the east can handle. we saw that from the kings who played a very similar style on the way to their 2 cups.
- Ihateallofu

But thats just it. Price didnt have to stand on his head. There were almost 2 50 shot vs bishop games and price gaced 19 or 20 and the habs lost. The wgole series was marred by the habs almost doubling the shots posession and hits but still lost.

The bolts do tho have such an awesome scoring threqt. Some very clutch plyers no question.