So we likely to be one of Raffl, Weise, or Read? So basically Raffl or Weise.
- mochoson

I think the Flyers protect Raffl. That leaves one of Cuz/Laughton, Weise, Read, Stolarz, Neuvy...maybe.

Expansion teams love to draft goalies, especially a couple FAs to be with the hope they can sign them in their window and get a top notch goalie for awhile. Will there be a better goalie to take in expansion than Neuvy? Guess who drafted Neuvy? I don't think he should be forgotten in this whole shebang.

I think the Flyers protect Raffl. That leaves one of Cuz/Laughton, Weise, Read, Stolarz, Neuvy...maybe.

Expansion teams love to draft goalies, especially a couple FAs to be with the hope they can sign them in their window and get a top notch goalie for awhile. Will there be a better goalie to take in expansion than Neuvy? Guess who drafted Neuvy? I don't think he should be forgotten in this whole shebang.
- Mononoke

why would you protect raffl over cuz or laughton

why would you protect raffl over cuz or laughton
- 2Real

Cuter

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- Mononoke

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- johndewar

The criteria for being an offensive or defensive defensman is the # of goals a guy scores
- YuenglingJagr

Apparently, if a defensive defenseman has some issues in defensive coverage, that makes him an offensive defenseman.

Apparently, if a defensive defenseman has some issues in defensive coverage, that makes him an offensive defenseman.
- MJL

Apparently, if a defensive defenseman has some issues in defensive coverage, that makes him a defensive defenseman

Radko was 3rd in the NHL behind Burns and Krug in individual shots per 60. He was 5th behind Klingberg, Burns, Hedman, Karlsson in on ice shot attempts relative to team. By no means is he even close to as good as them or as good a point scorer, but at ES, he generates a ton of offense. Calling him a "defensive d" is farcical. So, yes, given this and his issues in coverage, he's an offensive minded d man in my mind. Given that his offense significantly counteracts whatever defensive issues he has, I wouldn't gripe at the label 2-way even.

Apparently, if a defensive defenseman has some issues in defensive coverage, that makes him an offensive defenseman.
- MJL

ryan parent was an offensive dman everyone

Apparently, if a defensive defenseman has some issues in defensive coverage, that makes him a defensive defenseman

Radko was 3rd in the NHL behind Burns and Krug in individual shots per 60. He was 5th behind Klingberg, Burns, Hedman, Karlsson in on ice shot attempts relative to team. By no means is he even close to as good as them or as good a point scorer, but at ES, he generates a ton of offense. Calling him a "defensive d" is farcical. So, yes, given this and his issues in coverage, he's an offensive minded d man in my mind. Given that his offense significantly counteracts whatever defensive issues he has, I wouldn't gripe at the label 2-way even.
- Mononoke

Any stat per 60 is simply not a good stat. Far too misleading. This is a blatant case of cherry picking a stat to make a case that just isn't there. Stating he generates a ton of offense at ES is actually funny. Shooting the puck a lot, does not make a defenseman an offensive defenseman. His role, and how he is used, and his skill set is what makes a player what he is. Gudas started in the offensive zone 33% of the time, last season. He scored 5 goals, and 9 assists for 14 points. He averaged 9 seconds a game on the PP, compared to 2:43 a game on the PK. He has a career high of 22 points. Gudas is not an offensive defenseman, he is a physical defensive defenseman, who can chip in some points, and can handle the puck a little. Maybe Hakstol just doesn't realize that Gudas is an offensive defenseman, and should be giving him heavy offensive zone starts and PP time.

Any stat per 60 is simply not a good stat. Far too misleading. This is a blatant case of cherry picking a stat to make a case that just isn't there
- MJL

He was 7th in TOTAL shots among d men at ES. Not per 60. Total. Keep fishing, Fredo!

I didn't read the rest.

He was 7th in TOTAL shots among d men at ES. Not per 60. Total. Keep fishing, Fredo!

I didn't read the rest.
- Mononoke

I would lean more towards labeling him as 2 way. Yes he has decent puck skills and I love that he gets shots through and is not afraid to shoot it, but if things shake out the way I hope them to in the future, I will not be looking to Gudas to provide offense. Yes, any offensive output from him would be welcome and a bonus, but IF Provy and Sanheim pan out their offensive upside is much higher than Gudas's and we've got ghost on top of that. His role on the team may be pushed more towards a defensive D man that can move the puck. If it all slates out that way I would be beyond ecstatic.

I would lean more towards labeling him as 2 way. Yes he has decent puck skills and I love that he gets shots through and is not afraid to shoot it, but if things shake out the way I hope them to in the future, I will not be looking to Gudas to provide offense. Yes, any offensive output from him would be welcome and a bonus, but IF Provy and Sanheim pan out their offensive upside is much higher than Gudas's and we've got ghost on top of that. His role on the team may be pushed more towards a defensive D man that can move the puck. If it all slates out that way I would be beyond ecstatic.
- Fryman4

Edit: and with mdz as well there really is no need to rely on Gudas for offensive production. By no means is he a pylon. If he moves the puck well, plays with an edge, and makes smart decisions, I'm happy with what we got.

He was 7th in TOTAL shots among d men at ES. Not per 60. Total. Keep fishing, Fredo!

I didn't read the rest.
- Mononoke

LOL, again, you're cherry picking one stat. You mentioned the per 60 stat not me. Do I need to show you what you posted? I'm looking at the total and complete picture of the player, which includes his usage, his production, and his skill set to form my opinion on what kind of defenseman Gudas is. He does well in shot generation. That alone does not make him an offensive defenseman. It's also dependent on who he plays with the most. Luke Schenn scored more points at ES than Gudas did. Gudas scored 14 points in 76 games. He scored his 5 goals in an 8 game span. The other 68 games, produced zero goals. Gostisbehere is an offensive defenseman, Gudas is not.

Radko is excellent in the offensive zone, respectable in the NZ, the worst out of the three in the DZ. Sounds like a prototypical defensive d man to me. Like I said, I wouldn't gripe with the 2-way label simply because he's strong enough driving play to more than outweigh his own zone issues.

So far I've learned this summer that Radko Gudas is a top pair offensive defenseman who scares everyone he steps on to the ice with and should be paired with Shayne Gostisbehere as a legitimate NHL first pair. Sounds logical, right?

At the risk of sounding like I'm starting something, if someone is going to say something crazy like Radko Gudas is an offensive defenseman, maybe this person shouldn't be as harshly critical to others when they make opinions of their own.

why would you protect raffl over cuz or laughton
- 2Real

depends on how they play

I still see cousins as more a 4th line center who can give you some points and be an agitator.

Laughton needs to play well but I would move him at the TDL for a player that is exempt before I would lose him for nothing.

Raffl is on a nice deal and can play multiple roles. But again it depends on how these guys play.

Radko is excellent in the offensive zone, respectable in the NZ, the worst out of the three in the DZ. Sounds like a prototypical defensive d man to me. Like I said, I wouldn't gripe with the 2-way label simply because he's strong enough driving play to more than outweigh his own zone issues.
- Mononoke

The level of play does not determine what kind of defenseman a player is. If Nik Grossmann struggles in the defensive zone, is he no longer a defensive defenseman? How about if Luke Schenn struggles in D zone coverage? Radko Gudas scored 14 points in the entire season. That does not describe a player who is excellent in the offensive zone. He is also a better defender than you give him credit for. There's a lot more to player evaluation than shot metrics.

So far I've learned this summer that Radko Gudas is a top pair offensive defenseman who scares everyone he steps on to the ice with and should be paired with Shayne Gostisbehere as a legitimate NHL first pair. Sounds logical, right?

At the risk of sounding like I'm starting something, if someone is going to say something crazy like Radko Gudas is an offensive defenseman, maybe this person shouldn't be as harshly critical to others when they make opinions of their own.
- roenick97

The level of play does not determine what kind of defenseman a player is. If Nik Grossmann struggles in the defensive zone, is he no longer a defensive defenseman? How about if Luke Schenn struggles in D zone coverage? Radko Gudas scored 14 points in the entire season. That does not describe a player who is excellent in the offensive zone. He is also a better defender than you give him credit for. There's a lot more to player evaluation than shot metrics.
- MJL

Being a defensive defenseman is the most thankless job in all of sports. For most fans everything comes down to points. If you do not post points, you suck! Jason Smith for example didn't really post points but he did whatever it took to protect the net and get the puck up ice with very limited skill. This is why I liked him so much as a player.