And underrated Phil Kessel? I say this because the consensus is, it is already one of, if not the worst trade in NHL history. It was recently voting the best trade in sports history in Boston, even being better than the Kevin Mchale trade from 1980'.

It is considered terrible because Seguin is a guarantee to be better than Kessel, and Hamilton will likely win a Norris or two. There's even been some pretty silly statements about how great Jared Knight will be.

What if that doesn't happen? I know Seguin has gotten no criticism this season, but he's been a big disapointment.

Kessel is the guy that has exceeded all expectations. 4th highest points scorer the last two seasons. He's now also 5th in assists. And he's doing this with Tyler Bozak as his centre. He was supposed to be a bust without Marc Savard. the opposite has happened.

Can you call this trade a "Win-Win"? I think you can. Kessel is still only 25 years old and he keeps getting better.

And underrated Phil Kessel? I say this because the consensus is, it is already one of, if not the worst trade in NHL history. It was recently voting the best trade in sports history in Boston, even being better than the Kevin Mchale trade from 1980'.

It is considered terrible because Seguin is a guarantee to be better than Kessel, and Hamilton will likely win a Norris or two. There's even been some pretty silly statements about how great Jared Knight will be.

What if that doesn't happen? I know Seguin has gotten no criticism this season, but he's been a big disapointment.

Kessel is the guy that has exceeded all expectations. 4th highest points scorer the last two seasons. He's now also 5th in assists. And he's doing this with Tyler Bozak as his centre. He was supposed to be a bust without Marc Savard. the opposite has happened.

Can you call this trade a "Win-Win"? I think you can. Kessel is still only 25 years old and he keeps getting better.
- RogerRoeper

The only thing is that seguin is only 21 and hamilton 19. their combined potential greatly outweighs what kessel is right now, probably at the peak of his career.

while seguin hasn't had a great year, neither have many boston forwards, and i think hamilton has performed very well for a teenage defenceman. knight i don't even consider to be a nhl prospect.

The only thing is that seguin is only 21 and hamilton 19. their combined potential greatly outweighs what kessel is right now, probably at the peak of his career.

while seguin hasn't had a great year, neither have many boston forwards, and i think hamilton has performed very well for a teenage defenceman. knight i don't even consider to be a nhl prospect.
- sens rock

The potential though is considered a 100% slam dunk.

The potential though is considered a 100% slam dunk.
- RogerRoeper

it was a few years ago for sure. they have both shown flashes of what they could become and i would say that they both become players at least equal to kessel.

the loss of hamilton won't hurt as much with the d-core they have been able to assemble, but i still think seguin will become a 1st line centre that the leafs have always wanted.

Kessel has 159 points in his last 154 games. You wouldn't know it based on how some people talk about him. The longer he can play like this the better the trade will look for Toronto.

Seguin doesn't really have that different of a style from Kessel (soft offensive player), so unless he's outproducing Kessel I'd rather have Kessel right now.

Hamilton is too young to really come to any conclusion. He's looked good at times this year but has also been a healthy scratch recently. The early Calder hype seems to have died off a bit. It's all potential right now. In the end the trade may not look all that bad for the Leafs. It just depends on how these guys develop.

it was a few years ago for sure. they have both shown flashes of what they could become and i would say that they both become players at least equal to kessel.

the loss of hamilton won't hurt as much with the d-core they have been able to assemble, but i still think seguin will become a 1st line centre that the leafs have always wanted.
- sens rock

Seguin is a winger. A soft winger.

it was a few years ago for sure. they have both shown flashes of what they could become and i would say that they both become players at least equal to kessel.

the loss of hamilton won't hurt as much with the d-core they have been able to assemble, but i still think seguin will become a 1st line centre that the leafs have always wanted.
- sens rock

Seguin is a third line winger.

And Kessel has gotten so good, that's it's going to be a tough task for both to equal Kessel as players.

Kessel has 159 points in his last 154 games. You wouldn't know it based on how some people talk about him. The longer he can play like this the better the trade will look for Toronto.

Seguin doesn't really have that different of a style from Kessel (soft offensive player), so unless he's outproducing Kessel I'd rather have Kessel right now.

Hamilton is too young to really come to any conclusion. He's looked good at times this year but has also been a healthy scratch recently. The early Calder hype seems to have died off a bit. It's all potential right now. In the end the trade may not look at the bad for the Leafs. It just depends on how these guys develop.
- daeth

Most underrated player in the NHL.

Seguin is a third line winger.

And Kessel has gotten so good, that's it's going to be a tough task for both to equal Kessel as players.
- RogerRoeper

so in a potential trade you would take seguin and hamilton as a return?

Most underrated player in the NHL.
- RogerRoeper

I don't know if that's true but for a player who's clearly top 10 offensively he gets a lot of crap from people, even some Leafs fans.

Kessel is a very good player but the leafs finally make the playoffs and risk losing him after next season while Hamilton is 19 and seguin is 21. It is the timing of the deal that sucked.

Seguin is a third line winger.

And Kessel has gotten so good, that's it's going to be a tough task for both to equal Kessel as players.
- RogerRoeper

Third line winger my a$$

so in a potential trade you would take seguin and hamilton as a return?
- sens rock

For Kessel? Sure. But that doesn't change the point I was making.

Kessel is a very good player but the leafs finally make the playoffs and risk losing him after next season while Hamilton is 19 and seguin is 21. It is the timing of the deal that sucked.
- jordan456789

What if Kessel re-signs? The Leafs can offer more money than any team.

Just like Seguin and Hamilton might not became mega-stars, Kessel might not leave.

Third line winger my a$$
- jordan456789

At this moment he is.

I don't know if that's true but for a player who's clearly top 10 offensively he gets a lot of crap from people, even some Leafs fans.
- daeth

Kessel has been the whipping-boy for 3 and a half years in the NHL. He is criminally underrated.

At this moment he is.
- RogerRoeper

56 point pace in a full season is 3rd line?

56 point pace in a full season is 3rd line?
- sens rock

No it's not. He is seeing his minutes cut down by Julien right now.

Why is my comment more controversial then calling a winger a future #1 centre?

This is going to be such a controversial thread, but my point stands. The expectations are so sky high for Seguin/Hamilton, it's going to be tough to live up to them.

Kessel has by far exceeded all his expectations, it just seems no one has noticed.

This is going to be such a controversial thread, but my point stands. The expectations are so sky high for Seguin/Hamilton, it's going to be tough to live yup to them.

Kessel has by far exceeded all his expectations, it just seems no one has noticed.
- RogerRoeper

people have noticed, but the players from draft picks that the leafs gave up are too early in their careers to disregard the potential factor when evaluating the trade. at this point the potential of seguin and hamilton far outweighs what kessel has done. I agree it sucks for kessel cause he has done well. but thats what happens when you play for the leafs.

people have noticed, but the players from draft picks that the leafs gave up are too early in their careers to disregard the potential factor when evaluating the trade. at this point the potential of seguin and hamilton far outweighs what kessel has done. I agree it sucks for kessel cause he has done well. but thats what happens when you play for the leafs.
- sens rock

How can their potential far outweigh what Kessel has done? Individually no way. That's like saying Seguin has Crosby-like potential which is ridiculous.

How can their potential far outweigh what Kessel has done? Individually no way. That's like saying Seguin has Crosby-like potential which is ridiculous.
- daeth

the combined potential of seguin and hamilton is > than what kessel has done.

the combined potential of seguin and hamilton is > than what kessel has done.
- sens rock

Kessel may have peaked, or close to it, in terms of performance on ice, and as part of the team...........while I would say that Seguin and Hamilton have a few more years to go before we can cay they too have peaked it terms of the player they were projected to be.

Kessel may have peaked, or close to it, in terms of performance on ice, and as part of the team...........while I would say that Seguin and Hamilton have a few more years to go before we can cay they too have peaked it terms of the player they were projected to be.
- Doppleganger

Kessel gets better every year. He can still do more.

And Kessel is the sure thing out of the 3 of them.

At this moment he is.
- RogerRoeper

Seguin is a 3rd line player is a stretch. he is playing wing, but I think he will be a Center.

seguin is 3rd on the depth chart much in the same way Datsyuk was in 2002 playing behind fedorov and Yzerman..he will get his time when he is ready and I have no doubt will be a very good player for a long time.