On the latest HB "hotstove" there is pretty good evidence to the contrary
- mlindsay

are you seriously referencing James T for any hockey knowledge?

I said wasn't all bad.

As I said, he made some really good moves but then wouldn't make more moves to really give them a chance. Getting Boychuk & leddy when he did was a very good move. He seemed to be able to take advantage of good situations but had no idea what's to do next. Coaching was also probably a yuuge failure for him as well.

In reality, I can't see Lou doing much better either.
- Aussiepenguin

My guess is Lou told the owner if JT stays here one plan. If he leaves then here's the other plan which is a rebuild. Sign guys just to play and fill out a roster and rank.

Komarov hasn't declined (a lot).
Still got 16mins ATOI last season from Babcock.
Leafs simply couldn't afford Komarov and Martin on contracts longer than1 years.
That's why they are not on this team.
- plantheparade

You cant be serious. Did you not see when the Leafs didnt play Komarov when he got back from injury in the playoffs?

Komarov's hands dropped off a cliff the last couple of years. He's gotten slower and progressively worse. Not sure what games you were watching.

Is this Lou's burner account or his wife's?

Hey, remember when next year the Sens' first round pick goes to the Avalanche?

I remember.

Hey, remember when next year the Sens' first round pick goes to the Avalanche?

I remember.
- TheMussel

Man that's the funniest deal since the leads traded the 2nd overall

Man that's the funniest deal since the leads traded the 2nd overall
- Aaron_85

Well if it takes 8 years to recover from that kind of thing and become a legitimate contender, Ottawa should be back in the playoff mix by 2027.

Martin - Komarov - Clutterbuck


- plantheparade

It'll be Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck like it was a couple years ago. That line had good chemistry. Leo will likely be on the 3rd line

On the Reddit NHL page there is a proposal of Gardiner for Myers.

Both are UFA's after this season.

Thoughts from Jets and Leafs fans??
- mlindsay

Tough call. Leafs could use both RHD and size, but Myers has really underperformed his entire career when it comes to offense. Even on a really stacked Jets team, he managed 36 points last year compared to 52 by Gardiner. Doubt Myers is worse defensively, which would be the motivation for such a deal.

On the Reddit NHL page there is a proposal of Gardiner for Myers.

Both are UFA's after this season.

Thoughts from Jets and Leafs fans??
- mlindsay

I think that would be a no. As much as Gardner gets slagged on, he's better the Myers. He just has brain cramps during times which is his big detractor. He just came off from a 50 point season.

Komarov hasn't declined (a lot).
Still got 16mins ATOI last season from Babcock.
Leafs simply couldn't afford Komarov and Martin on contracts longer than1 years.
That's why they are not on this team.
- plantheparade

They're not Dubas players; I think that's clear.

The real question is, if the season started tomorrow are you okay with this roster? (Let's assume Nylander deal is done)

It'll be Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck like it was a couple years ago. That line had good chemistry. Leo will likely be on the 3rd line
- LeafGuy89

You're absolutely right.
But it's just fun to put that retalliation line in there as a 4th line - most hits by any line in NHL.

They're not Dubas players; I think that's clear.
- gravyface

Even if they were, there's no cap room after this season to keep them anyways.

The real question is, if the season started tomorrow are you okay with this roster? (Let's assume Nylander deal is done)
- Aaron_85

Tough question to answer without knowing the hypothetical deals that could be in place to bring in a d-man.

If it means we're not overpaying on a trade? Yes.

Even if they were, there's no cap room after this season to keep them anyways.
- plantheparade

They could have easily fit Matt Martin next year. They chose not too, because they didnt feel like he was a good fit. He didnt play from January onwards last year.

Tough question to answer without knowing the hypothetical deals that could be in place to bring in a d-man.

If it means we're not overpaying on a trade? Yes.
- TheMussel

No trades. Just the way it is.

Rielly, hainsey, gards, zaitsev, Holl, Borgman... whomever is currently available.

are you seriously referencing James T for any hockey knowledge?
- plantheparade

No.

Todd Cordell actually... and there are stats to back up the claims.... plus anyone who has watched him play the last 3 years can see his decline in value.

Tough call. Leafs could use both RHD and size, but Myers has really underperformed his entire career when it comes to offense. Even on a really stacked Jets team, he managed 36 points last year compared to 52 by Gardiner. Doubt Myers is worse defensively, which would be the motivation for such a deal.
- winsix

With the way Jake played in his own end for most of last season... I can't see the Jets making a play for him at the expense of a defensively sound big D man.

Leafs should go for "it" this season

Gardiner, zietsev, kapanen and a 1st

For

Pesce, faulk and skinner

Skinner-Tavares-marner
Hyman-matthews-nylander
Marleau-kadri-brown
Johnson-lindholm-leivo

Rielly-pesce
hainsey-Faulk
Dermot-carwreck/ozy/holl
- BrainSap

Carolina just loaded up their D....why would they trade any of them away?
They continue to improve their D, and so far the leafs havent been able to.

The real question is, if the season started tomorrow are you okay with this roster? (Let's assume Nylander deal is done)
- Aaron_85

Yes. Make a move for a dman at the deadline if need be. Also, there should be some Marlies pushing for the roster during the season.

I'm happy with
Marleau Matthews Nylander
Hyman Tavares Marner
Johnsson Kadri Kapanen
Moore Lindholm Brown
Jooris/Leivo

Rielly Hainsey
Gardiner Zaitsev
Dermott Ozhiganov
Carrick/Rosen

Andersen
McElhinney

Tough call. Leafs could use both RHD and size, but Myers has really underperformed his entire career when it comes to offense. Even on a really stacked Jets team, he managed 36 points last year compared to 52 by Gardiner. Doubt Myers is worse defensively, which would be the motivation for such a deal.
- winsix

What about Z for myers?

I back read a little too much, no my brain hurts.

Yes. Make a move for a dman at the deadline if need be. Also, there should be some Marlies pushing for the roster during the season.

I'm happy with
Hyman Matthews Nylander
Marleau Tavares Marner
Johnsson Kadri Kapanen
Moore Lindholm Brown
Jooris/Leivo

Rielly Hainsey
Gardiner Zaitsev
Dermott Ozhiganov
Carrick/Rosen

Andersen
McElhinney
- walshyleafsfan

I fixed your error....

With the way Jake played in his own end for most of last season... I can't see the Jets making a play for him at the expense of a defensively sound big D man.
- mlindsay

Is that part true?

Yes he is tall..so thats correct

No trades. Just the way it is.

Rielly, hainsey, gards, zaitsev, Holl, Borgman... whomever is currently available.
- Aaron_85

I’m fine with that. Should easily be in the playoffs with the forward group they’ll be icing. Then hopefully grab a top 4 dman around trade deadline to bolster the defence for playoffs.