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mlindsay
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Jul 5 @ 10:58 AM ET
none of this shows me he is "defensively sound".

Lets move on..this is a waste of time

- senstroll

Sure....
F You too
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 5 @ 10:59 AM ET
with a goalie tandem comprised mainly of Darling/Ward
- mlindsay


Mrazek will improve them in goal, but seriously doubt it will put them into the playoffs.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 5 @ 11:02 AM ET
Jets are going to have a hard time keeping their players together. Id reach out on Myers/Buff to see what it takes. Not sure there is a fit there though.

Laine will be in Eichel Territory 10M+
Connor 6+
Wheeler 10+
Hellybuck - 5+
Trouba 6+
Morrissey 3M+
Tanev 2.5+

Plus they have Buff 7M, Little at 5M, Perrault at 4M, Ehlers at 6M, Scheifele at 6M. They likely have to get rid of Little somehow.

- Archaic


I Agree - that plus Cheveldayoff is a cheapskate - there will be lots of fighting coming up. They haven't been a cap team to date.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 5 @ 11:13 AM ET
On top of the fact I can't see them signing Karlsson long term with the two bigger contracts already on defense and Kucherov needing a new deal soon too.

Tampa also has a condition on their first round pick in 2019 with the Rangers so why would Dorion want the 2020 pick?

- Aaron_85


Tampa can easily sign Karlsson long term, and if they get him, they will. Stralman, Coburn and Girardi are all UFA next year - in their 30's and make a combined $11.2 m. They will be moved out at the trade deadline or not renewed. The bigger issue is fitting Karlsson in this year, especially if (boatanchor) Bobby Ryan is involved. Tampa will need to find a team that will take picks and prospects to absorb salary.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

Jul 5 @ 11:14 AM ET
If Ottawa didn't want to trade Hoffman to Florida, what are the odds they'll trade Karlsson to Toronto?

Karlsson to St. Louis, Pietrangelo to Toronto and picks and prospects to Ottawa however, that might work.

- Unholy_Goalie


Florida was only offering picks while SJ was offering players.
Ottawa wanted players and not the picks. It wasn't that they didn't want to trade with Florida because of being in the same division.
So the Leafs do have a chance slim as it may be to land Karlsson.
mlindsay
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Jul 5 @ 11:20 AM ET
Mrazek will improve them in goal, but seriously doubt it will put them into the playoffs.
- winsix

You think Mrazek is an upgrade? I'm thinking it's more of the same.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 5 @ 11:20 AM ET
Hey, remember when next year the Sens' first round pick goes to the Avalanche?

I remember.

- TheMussel


GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 5 @ 11:20 AM ET
In case you didnt know that Tavares is really good

https://theathletic.com/4...-be-underrated-heres-why/

- senstroll


Umm no. The wise Grant McCagg told me he's overrated. And he is the smarterest.

mlindsay
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Jul 5 @ 11:21 AM ET
Florida was only offering picks while SJ was offering players.
Ottawa wanted players and not the picks. It wasn't that they didn't want to trade with Florida because of being in the same division.
So the Leafs do have a chance slim as it may be to land Karlsson.

- dmnted

Good that the salary cap is not a thing, eh?
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jul 5 @ 11:22 AM ET
Tampa can easily sign Karlsson long term, and if they get him, they will. Stralman, Coburn and Girardi are all UFA next year - in their 30's and make a combined $11.2 m. They will be moved out at the trade deadline or not renewed. The bigger issue is fitting Karlsson in this year, especially if (boatanchor) Bobby Ryan is involved. Tampa will need to find a team that will take picks and prospects to absorb salary.
- winsix


You're forgetting Kucherov will also need a new deal same time as Karlsson. I doubt he takes less than 8.

Stamkos 8.5
Hedman 7.8
Mcdonagh 6.7
Karlsson - 11 (assuming same deal as Doughty)
Kucherov 8 (assuming he takes that)

42 million in 5 guys. Now thats a serious 5 guys and likely one of the best D-cores in the game, if not the best, but you have 50% of the cap in 5 guys.

I don't see the fit. Good for tampa if they pull it off but I feel it's too short sighted.

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 5 @ 11:24 AM ET
Tampa can easily sign Karlsson long term, and if they get him, they will. Stralman, Coburn and Girardi are all UFA next year - in their 30's and make a combined $11.2 m. They will be moved out at the trade deadline or not renewed. The bigger issue is fitting Karlsson in this year, especially if (boatanchor) Bobby Ryan is involved. Tampa will need to find a team that will take picks and prospects to absorb salary.
- winsix


yep. nobody is waiving to to go to loltawa

will be a complicated trade if it's tampa.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 5 @ 11:24 AM ET
Florida was only offering picks while SJ was offering players.
Ottawa wanted players and not the picks. It wasn't that they didn't want to trade with Florida because of being in the same division.
So the Leafs do have a chance slim as it may be to land Karlsson.

- dmnted[
/quote]

You have a better chance of winning the lotto max.
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

Jul 5 @ 11:25 AM ET
Tampa can easily sign Karlsson long term, and if they get him, they will. Stralman, Coburn and Girardi are all UFA next year - in their 30's and make a combined $11.2 m. They will be moved out at the trade deadline or not renewed. The bigger issue is fitting Karlsson in this year, especially if (boatanchor) Bobby Ryan is involved. Tampa will need to find a team that will take picks and prospects to absorb salary.
- winsix


Kucherov is a RFA next year.....and others in getting raises

Kucherov - 10M+
Yanni Gourde - 5M+

That alone without signing any of the other UFA/RFA's puts them at 71M. That is with 2 defensemen signed. Even if they fill out those spots with 1M players thats 5M which would bring them to 76M. I just dont see how Karlsson makes sense without gutting some of their team.

TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 5 @ 11:25 AM ET
You're forgetting Kucherov will also need a new deal same time as Karlsson. I doubt he takes less than 8.

Stamkos 8.5
Hedman 7.8
Mcdonagh 6.7
Karlsson - 11 (assuming same deal as Doughty)
Kucherov 8 (assuming he takes that)

42 million in 5 guys. Now thats a serious 5 guys and likely one of the best D-cores in the game, if not the best, but you have 50% of the cap in 5 guys.

I don't see the fit. Good for tampa if they pull it off but I feel it's too short sighted.

- Aaron_85


Kucherov was pretty salty after signing his last contract. I expect him to ask for more than 8
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Lawless Soldier of The Devil, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jul 5 @ 11:26 AM ET

- GreatGigInTheSky

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 5 @ 11:26 AM ET
You're forgetting Kucherov will also need a new deal same time as Karlsson. I doubt he takes less than 8.

Stamkos 8.5
Hedman 7.8
Mcdonagh 6.7
Karlsson - 11 (assuming same deal as Doughty)
Kucherov 8 (assuming he takes that)

42 million in 5 guys. Now thats a serious 5 guys and likely one of the best D-cores in the game, if not the best, but you have 50% of the cap in 5 guys.

I don't see the fit. Good for tampa if they pull it off but I feel it's too short sighted.

- Aaron_85


i am here to pay my debts
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:27 AM ET
i am here to pay my debts
- Tumbleweed

so you are MiB after all
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 5 @ 11:28 AM ET
Good that the salary cap is not a thing, eh?
- mlindsay


he makes 6.5m this year. easy enough this year.

would almost certainly mean gardiner (or ideally zaitsev) and nylander would be out next year (or earlier).

i'm not expecting it. seems pretty unlikely.
Larry_Fine
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Edmonton , AB
Joined: 02.09.2017

Jul 5 @ 11:28 AM ET
I was just saying every fan base has their lunatic fans that lose their poop when bad things happen to their team. I know people who have tried to find where Kerry Fraser lives or claim to have pissed on Ballard's grave. These people aren't well but they exist. That Islander fan is obviously pissed off and if it was happening to the Leafs, there would be a Leafs fan equivalent just as pissed off, if not more so given how emotionally involved Leafs fans can become.

But if you say that's a strange stance, I guess it's strange.

- Unholy_Goalie

What colour is the sky in your world?
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 5 @ 11:29 AM ET
You're forgetting Kucherov will also need a new deal same time as Karlsson. I doubt he takes less than 8.

Stamkos 8.5
Hedman 7.8
Mcdonagh 6.7
Karlsson - 11 (assuming same deal as Doughty)
Kucherov 8 (assuming he takes that)

42 million in 5 guys. Now thats a serious 5 guys and likely one of the best D-cores in the game, if not the best, but you have 50% of the cap in 5 guys.

I don't see the fit. Good for tampa if they pull it off but I feel it's too short sighted.

- Aaron_85


Kucherov is only an RFA and can be bridged for at least one more year. Callahan and Tyler Johnson plus any increase in cap space could be used to fit Kucherov after that. If not, think of how much Tampa would get in asset trading Kucherov.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jul 5 @ 11:31 AM ET
On top of the fact I can't see them signing Karlsson long term with the two bigger contracts already on defense and Kucherov needing a new deal soon too.

Tampa also has a condition on their first round pick in 2019 with the Rangers so why would Dorion want the 2020 pick?

- Aaron_85



I think the Rangers only get the 2019 draft pick if the Lightning won the Cup. Not sure if that includes the 2018/19 season as well.. Otherwise, it's free to trade.
Regardless, the Lightning can only afford Karlsson if they trade away a big piece.
Unless it's Karlsson for Stralman, Callahan and Palat
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 5 @ 11:31 AM ET
Umm no. The wise Grant McCagg told me he's overrated. And he is the smarterest.


- GreatGigInTheSky


Dorion should ask himself this if Sergachev is part of the package..why have two terms been willing to trade a dman twice before he turned 20.1 years of age? Great returns..sure...but how many future Norris Trophy winners traded twice by 20 to div. rivals?
-McCagg


Because one team is dumb and the other is trading for a rover that gets almost a point a game?

(frank)ing McCagg.
Hockey_Reverend
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2012

Jul 5 @ 11:32 AM ET
Love listening to TSN Montreal radio. It is awesome. All about the Habs and they are not happy with anything...

Talking Shea Weber right now. He is under contract for another 8 YEARS...!

LOLOLOL


Ola Ola Ola Ola
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jul 5 @ 11:32 AM ET
Kucherov is only an RFA and can be bridged for at least one more year. Callahan and Tyler Johnson plus any increase in cap space could be used to fit Kucherov after that. If not, think of how much Tampa would get in asset trading Kucherov.
- winsix


He didn't seem too happy the last time Tampa did that.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 5 @ 11:33 AM ET
Karlsson for Killorn, Foote, Cirelli, 1st 2020, 1st 2021

Ottawa gets a first and a topish prospect (would be their new best defense prospect)
A middle-6 winger locked up for a long time that can't escape the wreckage
A solid young forward with upside.

Next season pay somebody to take Callahan off your hands. Let Girardi, Coburn and Stralman walk.

Gives them 17mil. 4.5 going to Karlsson (6.5 to 11) and 5.3 going to Kucherov (4.66 to 10), potentially 3 to Gourde (1 to 4) if he keeps that up he'll deserve more, 5.2 to Point (800k to 6)

-1mil to fill 2 defense slots (Sergachev still on ELC)

Doesn't seem likely for Tampa
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