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Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jul 4 @ 6:24 PM ET



- GreatGigInTheSky



Sakamoto
Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jul 4 @ 6:25 PM ET
<<<👀
- burn



So petty...




No, wait, I meant pretty. So pretty.
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:32 PM ET
Not being a wiener and not being bitter but do Leafs fans really think they struck gold with signing JT? The guy belongs in sled hockey! he has no legs and is a defensive liability every time he steps on the ice. For every goal he scores, he is guilty of giving up 1.5. you will see soon enough. I hated him on our team from day one. So now that you have all this cash locked up on the legless wonder, and you still have to pay your true studs...………………..and you have NO defense and sub par goaltending...………….where do you finish? lets revisit this end of the season. Enjoy!
- islesrbettr


can't wait to see where the Isles finish. Just so you know Komarov is going to be just amazing on your first PP unit
Kinger34
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: We may have already seen Matthews at his potential - SMBDragon, ON
Joined: 07.04.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:34 PM ET
The Islanders are a complete disaster. Them and the Sens need to be folded and Seattle given a team then we're back to a nice round 30 teams.
- walshyleafsfan



No argument here.
bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:42 PM ET
You know that the players don’t actually write this poop, right?
- Atomic Wedgie

It’s not word for word obviously, but the main points still stand.
Bozak talks and the writer makes it into coherent sentences.

You can tell it’s the same writer by the writing style, but I haven’t seen a player come out and start saying what was actually wrong with the piece.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 4 @ 6:49 PM ET
Weird that an 80 year old hasn’t hit menopause yet.
- Atomic Wedgie


Well, it is Iggy.
BooBoo997
Detroit Red Wings
Location: NB
Joined: 01.03.2006

Jul 4 @ 6:51 PM ET


Forgive us for being a little excited about landing one of the biggest UFA’s ever.

- As_I_See_It


Which means nothing until it translates to wins. I have been a Wings fan for years (since 89') and the one thing I noticed is the teams they had built from within and developed with unnoticed signings were usually the years they won.

Kevin Hatcher
Curtis Joseph
Use Krupp (God dammit)
Marian Hossa
Won nothing....

Traded for Brad Stuart, won a cup. Traded Paul Coffey and Keith Primeau, won a cup, got Larry Murphy from Toronto, won 2 cups... those types of moves on top of an all ready build team, that was conference finals close is what did it.

As I recall, our best FA signing was Brian Rafalski that I can recall.

PS- all the cups years, it was all defensive depth that won us cups because you cannot outscore problems in the playoffs.

But enjoy the summer, but be wary of the big fish signing in July... I only know, because I lived it for the last 25 years or so.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 4 @ 6:52 PM ET
I think Babcock runs them in pairs

Mathews/nylander
Tavares/marner
Kadri/marleau

- burn


We're so good we don't need the other winger anymore
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 4 @ 6:53 PM ET
Not being a wiener and not being bitter but do Leafs fans really think they struck gold with signing JT? The guy belongs in sled hockey! he has no legs and is a defensive liability every time he steps on the ice. For every goal he scores, he is guilty of giving up 1.5. you will see soon enough. I hated him on our team from day one. So now that you have all this cash locked up on the legless wonder, and you still have to pay your true studs...………………..and you have NO defense and sub par goaltending...………….where do you finish? lets revisit this end of the season. Enjoy!
- islesrbettr


Ya bitter wiener
bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:56 PM ET
Which means nothing until it translates to wins. I have been a Wings fan for years (since 89') and the one thing I noticed is the teams they had built from within and developed with unnoticed signings were usually the years they won.

Kevin Hatcher
Curtis Joseph
Use Krupp (God dammit)
Marian Hossa
Won nothing....

Traded for Brad Stuart, won a cup. Traded Paul Coffey and Keith Primeau, won a cup, got Larry Murphy from Toronto, won 2 cups... those types of moves on top of an all ready build team, that was conference finals close is what did it.

As I recall, our best FA signing was Brian Rafalski that I can recall.

PS- all the cups years, it was all defensive depth that won us cups because you cannot outscore problems in the playoffs.

But enjoy the summer, but be wary of the big fish signing in July... I only know, because I lived it for the last 25 years or so.

- BooBoo997

Leafs have a core already.
In 1-2 years I expect Tavares to be 2C. I give him the edge now because Matthews is 20 but this team is far different from the ones that sign a ufa or draft any 1st rounder and fans call them the saviour.
As_I_See_It
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jul 4 @ 6:57 PM ET
Which means nothing until it translates to wins. I have been a Wings fan for years (since 89') and the one thing I noticed is the teams they had built from within and developed with unnoticed signings were usually the years they won.

Kevin Hatcher
Curtis Joseph
Use Krupp (God dammit)
Marian Hossa
Won nothing....

Traded for Brad Stuart, won a cup. Traded Paul Coffey and Keith Primeau, won a cup, got Larry Murphy from Toronto, won 2 cups... those types of moves on top of an all ready build team, that was conference finals close is what did it.

As I recall, our best FA signing was Brian Rafalski that I can recall.

PS- all the cups years, it was all defensive depth that won us cups because you cannot outscore problems in the playoffs.

But enjoy the summer, but be wary of the big fish signing in July... I only know, because I lived it for the last 25 years or so.

- BooBoo997


None of those players is even close to a 27yr old Tavares. Sorry.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 4 @ 6:57 PM ET
Which means nothing until it translates to wins. I have been a Wings fan for years (since 89') and the one thing I noticed is the teams they had built from within and developed with unnoticed signings were usually the years they won.

Kevin Hatcher
Curtis Joseph
Use Krupp (God dammit)
Marian Hossa
Won nothing....

Traded for Brad Stuart, won a cup. Traded Paul Coffey and Keith Primeau, won a cup, got Larry Murphy from Toronto, won 2 cups... those types of moves on top of an all ready build team, that was conference finals close is what did it.

As I recall, our best FA signing was Brian Rafalski that I can recall.

PS- all the cups years, it was all defensive depth that won us cups because you cannot outscore problems in the playoffs.

But enjoy the summer, but be wary of the big fish signing in July... I only know, because I lived it for the last 25 years or so.

- BooBoo997


Signing JT allows us to trade for D depth...in case we need it.
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 4 @ 6:59 PM ET
Which means nothing until it translates to wins. I have been a Wings fan for years (since 89') and the one thing I noticed is the teams they had built from within and developed with unnoticed signings were usually the years they won.

Kevin Hatcher
Curtis Joseph
Use Krupp (God dammit)
Marian Hossa
Won nothing....

Traded for Brad Stuart, won a cup. Traded Paul Coffey and Keith Primeau, won a cup, got Larry Murphy from Toronto, won 2 cups... those types of moves on top of an all ready build team, that was conference finals close is what did it.

As I recall, our best FA signing was Brian Rafalski that I can recall.

PS- all the cups years, it was all defensive depth that won us cups because you cannot outscore problems in the playoffs.

But enjoy the summer, but be wary of the big fish signing in July... I only know, because I lived it for the last 25 years or so.

- BooBoo997


I agree with all of this however, trading Keith Primeau brought in Brendan Shanahan (at 27 years old oddly enough) who was a 40 goal, 80 point type player. Signing Tavares as a UFA is almost the exact same thing but without having to pay for it in the form of a player like Keith Primeau. So, had the Red Wings simply signed Shanahan and kept Primeau, do they still win those Cups? I think they do.

Let's not forget Brett Hull and Luc Robitaille, both UFA 30 goal scorers and 3rd and 4th in goals during the regular season (Hull led the team in playoff goals actually) and solid UFA additions to the 2002 Cup winning team. Do they win that Cup with 60 fewer regular season goals and 10 fewer playoff goals? I don't think so.
BreathLeafs2015
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Oshawa, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Jul 4 @ 7:01 PM ET
I'm cooking dinner. Could you please pass the salt?
- BlueBallz



I just roasted chicken in big cast iron pot in oven 1 hour and 50 minutes then cooked broccoli and sweet potatoes and ketchup for my twin 2 yr old boys. Now a bottle of milk times 2 then beddy bye 😴
LeafGuy89
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 05.13.2017

Jul 4 @ 7:07 PM ET
Not being a wiener and not being bitter but do Leafs fans really think they struck gold with signing JT? The guy belongs in sled hockey! he has no legs and is a defensive liability every time he steps on the ice. For every goal he scores, he is guilty of giving up 1.5. you will see soon enough. I hated him on our team from day one. So now that you have all this cash locked up on the legless wonder, and you still have to pay your true studs...………………..and you have NO defense and sub par goaltending...………….where do you finish? lets revisit this end of the season. Enjoy!
- islesrbettr



Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I take Joel for walks around the block, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:08 PM ET
None of those players is even close to a 27yr old Tavares. Sorry.
- As_I_See_It

Kevin Hatcher
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 4 @ 7:10 PM ET
None of those players is even close to a 27yr old Tavares. Sorry.
- As_I_See_It


Hossa would be. Hossa scored 40 goals and/or 100 points for Ottawa, Atlanta and Detroit before he landed in Chicago at 28 years old and won the Cup that year too.
SRam19
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Messier the Greatest Canucks Captain
Joined: 02.12.2015

Jul 4 @ 7:14 PM ET
looking forward to watching Tavares finally do something. Nylander should be a 30 goal guy.
Atarileaf
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 02.12.2017

Jul 4 @ 7:25 PM ET
Not being a wiener and not being bitter but do Leafs fans really think they struck gold with signing JT? The guy belongs in sled hockey! he has no legs and is a defensive liability every time he steps on the ice. For every goal he scores, he is guilty of giving up 1.5. you will see soon enough. I hated him on our team from day one. So now that you have all this cash locked up on the legless wonder, and you still have to pay your true studs...………………..and you have NO defense and sub par goaltending...………….where do you finish? lets revisit this end of the season. Enjoy!
- islesrbettr


As_I_See_It
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jul 4 @ 7:39 PM ET
Hossa would be. Hossa scored 40 goals and/or 100 points for Ottawa, Atlanta and Detroit before he landed in Chicago at 28 years old and won the Cup that year too.
- Unholy_Goalie

Except Hossa turned 30 while he was on DET, on a ONE year deal, topped out at 71 pts. and not a centreman... It’s... Not... Even... Close!

40 goals is solid, but you gotta show the whole picture, Cliff.
Unholy_Goalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: usually UG offends everyone by telling the truth - dt99999, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Jul 4 @ 7:49 PM ET
Except Hossa turned 30 while he was on DET, on a ONE year deal, topped out at 71 pts. and not a centreman... It’s... Not... Even... Close!

40 goals is solid, but you gotta show the whole picture, Cliff.

- As_I_See_It


Widely considered a very good two-way winger even though he wasn't a center and he won 3 Cups. It's a lot closer than you want to believe.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 4 @ 7:50 PM ET
Which means nothing until it translates to wins. I have been a Wings fan for years (since 89') and the one thing I noticed is the teams they had built from within and developed with unnoticed signings were usually the years they won.

Kevin Hatcher
Curtis Joseph
Use Krupp (God dammit)
Marian Hossa
Won nothing....

Traded for Brad Stuart, won a cup. Traded Paul Coffey and Keith Primeau, won a cup, got Larry Murphy from Toronto, won 2 cups... those types of moves on top of an all ready build team, that was conference finals close is what did it.

As I recall, our best FA signing was Brian Rafalski that I can recall.

PS- all the cups years, it was all defensive depth that won us cups because you cannot outscore problems in the playoffs.

But enjoy the summer, but be wary of the big fish signing in July... I only know, because I lived it for the last 25 years or so.

- BooBoo997


No

Tavares is Tavares

Any team in those league would re sign him to that contract if they owned his rights.

It's about as close as a no brainer as it gets

The salty tears are great
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 4 @ 7:50 PM ET
Widely considered a very good two-way winger even though he wasn't a center and he won 3 Cups. It's a lot closer than you want to believe.
- Unholy_Goalie

Lol
justsaying
Joined: 06.26.2014

Jul 4 @ 7:53 PM ET
What exactly has Dumbas done? He signed a guy that quite obviously had made his mind up he was going there regardless of making less...and???
- Iggysbff



Very true and yet he is getting all the credit.

Also,Tavares could have secretly advised NYI he was not re-signing and allowed NYI to trade him and at least get something for him. They paid him pretty well and provided him his start as he says himself.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 4 @ 7:56 PM ET
Very true and yet he is getting all the credit.

Also,Tavares could have secretly advised NYI he was not re-signing and allowed NYI to trade him and at least get something for him. They paid him pretty well and provided him his start as he says himself.

- justsaying


Huh?

Signing Tavares is impressive, no matter what damper you try and put on it...Dubas pitched to him. And signed him. Period.(which every opposing teams fan said would never happen)

Traded Martin(which every opposing teams fans said was a horrible contract)

See a theme here?

Won the Calder cup( a team he built)

It's an extremely impressive start. Pretty simple to see.
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