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maximumcarnage
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.23.2007

Jul 8 @ 7:13 PM ET
UFAs get big paydays and he did leave money on the table to come to Toronto. I've put the salaries into a spreadsheet and planned it out for the 7 years of JT and Toronto can afford him.

I've assigned 11.5 to matthews, 7 to nylander and 7.5 to marner. If the Leafs can move Marleau's cap hit next season we won't lose anybody in years 1, 2 and 3 of Tavares time. In year 4 we'll have to give some raises to our younger wingers so in year 4 and maybe year 6 and 7 we'll have to trade one winger away and replace with a young ELC. The wingers we'd have to lose would be a Hyman or a Brown or a Johnsson or a Kapenen.

Tavares $11mil is no bargain for sure, but the Leafs can make it work, so why the hell not.

Isles should be fine soon enough, they got some great young talent. They've got Lou. If they wanted to go straight up rebuild they have some high quality vets that could fetch good returns.

- Njuice


I have absolutely no issues with him signing in Toronto. He does have a better chance of winning there and it's home town. I am a little disgruntled at Islanders management for getting nothing for him, but hopefully Lou can change the way things were done there in the past. He can't hurt.

Questions for you as a Mapleleafs fan.

Do you think he was the best option to get for the next 7 years to better your chances of winning the Stanley cup?

Is he a good fit for Toronto?

Is having 2 outstanding centers going to be the answer? Because it wasn't for the Islanders.

When he isn't on his game, will he be able to handle the Toronto media?

How will he really feel if he's not named the captain, and if he is will that bother Mathews?

How will he handle losing ice time and being the second line center?

As a person who's probably watched Tavares play every game of his NHL career, he will be missed on the Island but I can confidently say, buyer be warned.






hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 8 @ 7:14 PM ET
I assume any move for Karlsson would have to be if a team is giving up considerable assets.
- Gordzilla

maximumcarnage
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.23.2007

Jul 8 @ 7:15 PM ET
ya sure you wanted him gone, he was your whole team.
- bluestar


I didn't want him gone. I just didn't want him to leave and get nothing for it.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 8 @ 7:17 PM ET
Team Choke!
- spatso


Wishing you another terrific season - is your assistant GM in jail yet? He is a guiding light to a disgraceful organization and fanbase. Chabot didn't win the Norris? Sakic is rubbing his hands at the thought of picking Hughes. ENJOY
bluestar
Location: ON
Joined: 12.20.2015

Jul 8 @ 7:38 PM ET
I didn't want him gone. I just didn't want him to leave and get nothing for it.
- maximumcarnage


here is your previous post: "Unfortunately I was not the one who gave Toronto Tavares for nothing. Just be careful of what you wish for. Tavares is not worth the money and as an Islanders fan I am really ok with him leaving. I'm not very happy they let him walk without getting anything in return. I wanted him gone last summer."

your last sentence indicates that you wanted him gone, make up your mind, no wonder the Islanders are a mess......lol!

by the way the Leafs have 3 of the best centers on one team in the NHL, so pick your poison, Kadri had 32 goals last season and over 60 goals combined in the last 2 years so he is no chopped liver.
maximumcarnage
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.23.2007

Jul 8 @ 7:44 PM ET
here is your previous post: "Unfortunately I was not the one who gave Toronto Tavares for nothing. Just be careful of what you wish for. Tavares is not worth the money and as an Islanders fan I am really ok with him leaving. I'm not very happy they let him walk without getting anything in return. I wanted him gone last summer."

your last sentence indicates that you wanted him gone, make up your mind, no wonder the Islanders are a mess......lol!

by the way the Leafs have 3 of the best centers on one team in the NHL, so pick your poison, Kadri had 32 goals last season and over 60 goals combined in the last 2 years so he is no chopped liver.

- bluestar

Yes! When he would not negotiate a contract extension I personally would have liked him to be traded. And I’m sure Kadri is a good center as well.
bluestar
Location: ON
Joined: 12.20.2015

Jul 8 @ 7:45 PM ET
Yes! When he would not negotiate a contract extension I personally would have liked him to be traded. And I’m sure Kadri is a good center as well.
- maximumcarnage


ok thanks, have a good night!
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jul 8 @ 7:46 PM ET
LMAO, yes, the team with 4.9 mill in cap space and still have Nurse to sign is totally in on Karlsson
- ChonDerry
That's what GMs are paid to figure out. Not like RNH and Lucic will finish their contracts in EDM, wake up
Panzer_IVA
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.02.2018

Jul 8 @ 7:55 PM ET
I am starting to think the "C" on the Sens jerseys stand for "C" U later!
Yashin=gone, Alphie=gone, Spezza=gone, EK65=gone. Please someone put a "C" on Bobby Ryan! He is to blame for this EK mess. If he produced for the salary everything would be dandy

- KANADIAN

TBH, I wasn't sad to see Yashin and Spezza go. The former was very selfish and the latter couldn't take the captaincy pressure. What I don't get is: how is this Bobby Ryan fault?? Sure, the guy's grossly overpaid, but I don't see how it's on him.
As a Sens fan I love the delay. The longer the deal gets worked on the bigger chance that it just means its a no go and we keep our boy. Maybe through some good fortune the Sens look great by January and EK65 signs the extension. In the meantime gets forced out and we get some real spenders in the house.
- KANADIAN

If he's not dealt this summer, I think he'll walk away for free, or almost free (like Tavares). The only way EK will want to stay at this point is if Melnyk leaves.
This will not happen but wouldn't it be hilarious is Dallas does trade for Karlsson and only has to give up Honka (who is decent) and some pieces so Dorion thinks he sent him out west and then Dallas in turn trades Karlsson to Tampa for Foote, Raddysh, Koekkoek and a 2020 1st round pick. Or some variation of that. Kind of like what San Jose did. It would be fitting for Ottawa.
- stammerman

No, it wouldn't be fitting for Ottawa. For that clown of an owner, yes. But not for the fans of this team.
Leafcup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Aurora, ON
Joined: 06.16.2016

Jul 8 @ 8:26 PM ET
Why's that? Seems some Leafs fans are extremely nervous about Tampa. Even without Karlsson I think Tampa would more then hold its own against Toronto.
- stammerman



Seems to me that if TB do not get Karlson Leafs will leaving TB in their tail smoke....I think the Leafs are a better team now anyway
Sharks77
Season Ticket Holder
San Jose Sharks
Location: San Bruno, CA
Joined: 06.08.2013

Jul 8 @ 8:30 PM ET
who, who and what?

Teirney(3rd line center,PK) Braun1-2 line dman who plays with Vlasic...
ghostofRC
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Boyle, AB
Joined: 09.21.2014

Jul 8 @ 8:39 PM ET
That's what GMs are paid to figure out. Not like RNH and Lucic will finish their contracts in EDM, wake up
- AlfieisKing

Wake up! Delete your account.
Buggy166
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 08.01.2007

Jul 8 @ 8:39 PM ET
Seems to me that if TB do not get Karlson Leafs will leaving TB in their tail smoke....I think the Leafs are a better team now anyway
- Leafcup


Ah no, Leafs arent better than Tampa. If they were, they'd have had more points than Tampa last year.

They're close and I'd argue with Tavares now, they're different sides of the same coin EXCEPT the Leafs defense is a step or two behind Tampa's, depending how consistent or inconsistent they play.

The difference in Toronto's play, is that most of the talent on the team is really young and improving every year, where Tampa's talent has reached its prime, with most guys heading into their late 20s unless im mistaken (with a few exceptions of course)
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Jul 8 @ 8:45 PM ET
RNH + 1st in 2019 + Nurse for Karlsson ???
- Gordzilla


Too much.
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: U Jealous of my Meteor
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jul 8 @ 8:46 PM ET
Ah no, Leafs arent better than Tampa. If they were, they'd have had more points than Tampa last year.

They're close and I'd argue with Tavares now, they're different sides of the same coin EXCEPT the Leafs defense is a step or two behind Tampa's, depending how consistent or inconsistent they play.

The difference in Toronto's play, is that most of the talent on the team is really young and improving every year, where Tampa's talent has reached its prime, with most guys heading into their late 20s unless im mistaken (with a few exceptions of course)

- Buggy166

I agree here. The gap between the two teams is rapidly closing. With the addition of Tavares, the forward group is just about a wash now. I would argue that Kucherov is more lethal than anyone on the Toronto roster, but there are a handful of Toronto forwards who could attain Kucherov-like numbers if circumstances fell into the right place over the course of a season.

I would argue that Vasi will be the better goalie over Anderson. I think Anderson is a really solid netminder and any team would be happy to have him, but he has shown us what he has already. I don't think his ceiling is much higher than what he has already attained. Vasi's ceiling is likely higher and he hasn't shown his best yet. Having said that, I am not thrilled about Domingue as a backup...

Tampa's D was once it's Achille's heel, now it's a strength (barring Girardi). Honestly, if the price for Karlsson is Kucherov, Point, or Sergachev, I'd rather he go somewhere else other than Tampa.
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: U Jealous of my Meteor
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jul 8 @ 8:53 PM ET
RE : Karlsson

A drunk midget at a drag show told me the following - Karlsson only wants to extend in Tampa.

That could be what is holding things up. If a team other than Tampa is getting Karlsson only as a rental, then Ottawa cannot expect the same sky-high return as a team he intends to sign a long-term contract with. I suspect this is part of what the delay is about. Dorion is balking at reduced offers from rental teams and Karlsson is nixing potential deals.

Does Ryan have a NTC? If so, that could holding things up as well. He might be denying potential landing spots on third teams involved in the deal.

I just wish something would happen soon. This speculation and media circus is tiring.

stammerman
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 07.05.2013

Jul 8 @ 9:08 PM ET
Ah no, Leafs arent better than Tampa. If they were, they'd have had more points than Tampa last year.

They're close and I'd argue with Tavares now, they're different sides of the same coin EXCEPT the Leafs defense is a step or two behind Tampa's, depending how consistent or inconsistent they play.

The difference in Toronto's play, is that most of the talent on the team is really young and improving every year, where Tampa's talent has reached its prime, with most guys heading into their late 20s unless im mistaken (with a few exceptions of course)

- Buggy166


The defense is the difference and to me why the Bolts are better. I also feel you know what you have in Andersen now at 29 years old which is a very good goalie but with Vasilevskiy I think he still has more room to grow in a great goalie (maybe a little bias).

As for the age I kinda agree but also disagree. Vasilevskiy is 23, Sergachev is 20, Brayden Point is 22, Kucherov is still only 25.

Both teams are also stacked with prospects, its going to be a fun next couple years for sure.
YzermanTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Reveen is JB’s salad tosser
Joined: 08.21.2013

Jul 8 @ 9:13 PM ET
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 8 @ 9:23 PM ET
He's getting close to a max deal wherever he goes. The money makes no difference.
- hereticpride


a max deal is north of 15 million.

He isn't getting a max deal.

He also isn't waiving to go to Edmonton. New York, I could believe, but I still think it is Tampa or Vegas.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 8 @ 9:30 PM ET
I have absolutely no issues with him signing in Toronto. He does have a better chance of winning there and it's home town. I am a little disgruntled at Islanders management for getting nothing for him, but hopefully Lou can change the way things were done there in the past. He can't hurt.

Questions for you as a Mapleleafs fan.

Do you think he was the best option to get for the next 7 years to better your chances of winning the Stanley cup?

Is he a good fit for Toronto?

Is having 2 outstanding centers going to be the answer? Because it wasn't for the Islanders.

When he isn't on his game, will he be able to handle the Toronto media?

How will he really feel if he's not named the captain, and if he is will that bother Mathews?

How will he handle losing ice time and being the second line center?

As a person who's probably watched Tavares play every game of his NHL career, he will be missed on the Island but I can confidently say, buyer be warned.

- maximumcarnage


It will be a disaster. He would have been far better to stay with the Islanders. Leafs are due to finish last in the league this year.

There, now go to bed happy.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 8 @ 9:31 PM ET
The defense is the difference and to me why the Bolts are better. I also feel you know what you have in Andersen now at 29 years old which is a very good goalie but with Vasilevskiy I think he still has more room to grow in a great goalie (maybe a little bias).

As for the age I kinda agree but also disagree. Vasilevskiy is 23, Sergachev is 20, Brayden Point is 22, Kucherov is still only 25.

Both teams are also stacked with prospects, its going to be a fun next couple years for sure.

- stammerman


Yes they are awesome, unstoppable.
stammerman
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 07.05.2013

Jul 8 @ 9:34 PM ET
Yes they are awesome, unstoppable.
- Aetherial

Did I say that? No i did not, I just said the Bolts have the edge on defense and to me it makes them a little better. Both teams are really good and its going to be a battle for the next few years between them.

Hell can't count out Boston and even Florida has a pretty under-rated team as well.
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jul 8 @ 9:52 PM ET
Seems to me that if TB do not get Karlson Leafs will leaving TB in their tail smoke....I think the Leafs are a better team now anyway
- Leafcup

they're forwards can match you guys. and they have better defense and goaltending.
dogman35
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Canada, AB
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jul 8 @ 9:52 PM ET
Not sure who the source is but I think one should stop listening to him. There is no way the Oilers are going to get E.K. if he doesn't want to sign an extension (and by all reports he won't). Stop the senseless crap of spreading stupid rumours that have no chance of happening.
poopstash
Los Angeles Kings
Joined: 03.21.2015

Jul 8 @ 10:03 PM ET
they're forwards can match you guys. and they have better defense and goaltending.
- poisondhearts37


Tampa is way better on d, goaltending is a wash, and the leafs have better depth up front. I'd give the slight edge to Tampa right now, but whoever stays healthier will have a big impact.
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