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DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jul 10 @ 10:22 AM ET
Good luck to him.
- Beaver-Warrior



I don't blame Panarin for trying to maximize his earnings, this will likely be his one and only shot at a monster contract. He's earned the right to by picky and look for a team that can pay him a boatload of cash and has a chance to win a Cup or two.

That's being said, I'm still happy with the Saad deal. Mostly I'm happy to have Saad back (even with his down year last season) and also that the Hawks don't have to deal with this cap situation.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jul 10 @ 10:24 AM ET
I feel like the Bread Man is just going to be a hired gun and bounce around the league for the duration of his career.

A couple years here and there for multiple teams and that'll be it.

- Hank3Henshaw



That's Panarin's right if he wants to, but I would guess he'll look to lock up big bucks on a long term deal. I could see him landing in San Jose or maybe Vegas.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jul 10 @ 10:26 AM ET
That's Panarin's right if he wants to, but I would guess he'll look to lock up big bucks on a long term deal. I could see him landing in San Jose or maybe Vegas.
- DarthKane


Oh yea. Totally his right. Wasn't dogging him.

He wants out of Columbus and I could see a team like SJ splashing cash and a big contract on him for sure.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jul 10 @ 10:27 AM ET
Sure Dubas is the stats guy, but does anybody here think for a second that Uncle Shanny is not heavily involved in roster moves??

I’d be very surprised if Dubas has the autonomy of, say, George McPhee. So, Toronto is doing it right with the HOFer Shanaban, I mean Shanahan , and the stats guru Dubas.

- EnzoD


Admittedly I have a real genuine dislike of shovel face in so many ways I realize there is no way I can be objective but I wish my team had an organIzational structure where the prez was/is a hockey man.

Very jealous of clubs like TOR who has a hockey guy at the top of the pyramid like Shanahan. Separate business and hockey ops. To think one or the other can be expert in the others field seems unlikely.
Popsghostly
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 08.11.2017

Jul 10 @ 10:32 AM ET
Always read, never post.....But....

How I became a Hawks fan:
In 1991, Jocelyn Lemieux scores a breakaway goal on Vincent Riendeau in the playoffs. That and the Chicago stadium celebration was insane......That moment made me a lifelong fan of the Chicago Blackhawks. Great hockey sweater, awesome history, and so much drama in the last ten years which has satisfied my appetite for years to come.

I met Bobby Hull several years ago and he was too nice. My Mom lived next door to Orval Tessier for years. Nice man, but too bad his two Stanley Cup rings are from his scouting days with Colorado. Side story: My wife dropped one of his rings and it bounced around on the marble floor....Ha ha, she didn't get to see his second ring.

I had the chance to meet Toews and Sharp during the 2009/2010 season, because Cam Barker got us on the guest list after the game in Ottawa. It was pretty special hanging around Toews, Kane, Sharp, Versteeg, Coach 'Q', Byfuglien, Eager, Ladd, and even Huet.

A real shame that the team has played the way they have in the last couple of seasons. I think Coach 'Q' needs to go and along with his other two Whalers bench bosses. Toews has value, but his cap hit makes him an easy target. Kane is great, but his cap hit isn't worth his play either. They pulled this team along for a great ride. They deserve the monies they've been given. We are lucky fans to have seen what we have. The ride has never been easy. Pittsburgh of the last few years didn't need to battle like the Hawks did for their cups.....Enjoy the season!! Cheers.

- _diatribe_


Really loved Jocelyn Lemieux. Remember parents met him at JC Penney at Woodfield and we got his autograph. He was a human pinball. I remember when they would flank him with Grimson and Peluso and they'd line up against Probert and Kocur. Those were the days!
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jul 10 @ 10:33 AM ET
I'll accept middle aged though tbf I'm not sure I was alive during most of the run of Cheers. I think it ran on Nick at Night or TV Land when I was a kid.
- L_B_R


Frazier was a psychologist on the show that was set in a tavern. So he was the brainiac of the group yet flawed in some way like every other character.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 10 @ 10:35 AM ET
I feel like the Bread Man is just going to be a hired gun and bounce around the league for the duration of his career.

A couple years here and there for multiple teams and that'll be it.

- Hank3Henshaw


He will be 27 in October - so 28 when the new deal kicks in.

If it's a 6-year for $X millions, he will be 34 for his next deal.

I think this is his big one.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jul 10 @ 10:37 AM ET
Admittedly I have a real genuine dislike of shovel face in so many ways I realize there is no way I can be objective but I wish my team had an organIzational structure where the prez was/is a hockey man.

Very jealous of clubs like TOR who has a hockey guy at the top of the pyramid like Shanahan. Separate business and hockey ops. To think one or the other can be expert in the others field seems unlikely.

- Mr Ricochet


LOL! Get what you’re saying as their immediate future looks really bright and I wouldn’t hate TOR winning a Cup.

That said, I can guarantee you there are plenty of TOR fans who would trade places and 3 Cups in recent memory in a heartbeat.

Was up in MTL the day after the Hawks won in ‘10 and was sitting at the hotel bar with a Seabs T-shirt jersey on. Three Leafs fans approached in a foul mood and said to me “You know what you’ve done, don’t you?”

Took me a second but I did...with a Hawk win the baton was passed on to the Leafs as the current holder of team with the longest Cup drought.

It was fun to put that monkey on to someone else’s back.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Jul 10 @ 10:38 AM ET
He will be 27 in October - so 28 when the new deal kicks in.

If it's a 6-year for $X millions, he will be 34 for his next deal.

I think this is his big one.

- StLBravesFan

Bring him back next year
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jul 10 @ 10:39 AM ET
Except they really need a top pairing right defenceman. If Keith is traded I think some of you will be underwhelmed by the return. Who is gonna give a top prospect and a first for a 35 year old dman whose game fell off a cliff last year? Unless he has a rebound year I just don't see that big of a return. Also I doubt he gets traded anyway.
- GPHawksfan


TOR needs a RHD? ...... All I know is clubs that feel they are one piece away at the TDL will severely overpay, being a Hawk fan the two 2nds for Timonnen stands out.

But yes good chance Keith wouldn't bring the haul a younger Dman on an expiring contract would bring. All depends on fit and if Stan could get 2-3 clubs bidding for him.
Popsghostly
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 08.11.2017

Jul 10 @ 10:40 AM ET
LOL! Get what you’re saying as their immediate future looks really bright and I wouldn’t hate TOR winning a Cup.

That said, I can guarantee you there are plenty of TOR fans who would trade places and 3 Cups in recent memory in a heartbeat.

Was up in MTL the day after the Hawks won in ‘10 and was sitting at the hotel bar with a Seabs T-shirt jersey on. Three Leafs fans approached in a foul mood and said to me “You know what you’ve done, don’t you?”

Took me a second but I did...with a Hawk win the baton was passed on to the Leafs as the current holder of team with the longest Cup drought.

It was fun to put that monkey on to someone else’s back.

- HawkintheD


My pops was for sure after seeing them win as a 10-year old that he'd never see it again. He got to see at least 3 more lol.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Jul 10 @ 10:42 AM ET
Really loved Jocelyn Lemieux. Remember parents met him at JC Penney at Woodfield and we got his autograph. He was a human pinball. I remember when they would flank him with Grimson and Peluso and they'd line up against Probert and Kocur. Those were the days!
- Popsghostly


I remember the game in Detroit where he had his mouth cut open by the butcher Konstantinov, and the ref didn't see any blood.
Karma baby!
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jul 10 @ 10:43 AM ET
My pops was for sure after seeing them win as a 10-year old that he'd never see it again. He got to see at least 3 more lol.
- Popsghostly


That’s fantastic! Really happy my Father has been alive to see all the major teams in Chicago win at least one title.
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jul 10 @ 10:46 AM ET
I don't blame Panarin for trying to maximize his earnings, this will likely be his one and only shot at a monster contract. He's earned the right to by picky and look for a team that can pay him a boatload of cash and has a chance to win a Cup or two.

That's being said, I'm still happy with the Saad deal. Mostly I'm happy to have Saad back (even with his down year last season) and also that the Hawks don't have to deal with this cap situation.

- DarthKane


Nor do I blame him for trying to maximize his earnings or having a say where. It's just not going to be with the Hawks.

Saad? I don't buy into the "one bad year" narrative. I hope I'm wrong.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jul 10 @ 10:49 AM ET
Admittedly I have a real genuine dislike of shovel face in so many ways I realize there is no way I can be objective but I wish my team had an organIzational structure where the prez was/is a hockey man.

Very jealous of clubs like TOR who has a hockey guy at the top of the pyramid like Shanahan. Separate business and hockey ops. To think one or the other can be expert in the others field seems unlikely.

- Mr Ricochet


My feeling is this, typically many general managers in many sports are successful as are pres. It will always, always come down to the owner, always. So many examples out there but to me the most obvious was Steinbrenner. When he ran the Yankees it became a dynasty. Then he stepped away they shuffled along, then he came back they won 3 in a row, then was suspended and then RIP. Take a good look at the Wings, Illitch gets older and struggles with health so did both his teams.

I don't know what the Bears did but i believe they have hired football consultants or something because they are making so many good moves, time will tell and there's a part of me that believes the McCaskeys will f this up some how, hope not, but they are who they are.

So long as Rocky is at the helm, I'm good
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jul 10 @ 10:51 AM ET
Nor do I blame him for trying to maximize his earnings or having a say where. It's just not going to be with the Hawks.

Saad? I don't buy into the "one bad year" narrative. I hope I'm wrong.

- Beaver-Warrior


Thought I was the only one feeling this.

Sort of why I was down to move him and get some pieces back. Granted, that leaves you with a hole in a top Winger spot...but it's a hole if the guy doesn't produce anyway.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jul 10 @ 10:51 AM ET
As far as how I became a hawks fan my gpa and a handful of cousins played in the Chicago area or Northern Wisc where my family was from. It wasn't as big as baseball or football in my family but some did it as a winter sport and followed professionally. I played when I was little and lived up there but when my family moved to Iowa there was no hockey and I picked up wrestling though I would play whenever I went back up north or to Chicago with family.
Then in middle school one of my cousins was playing when I went up for Christmas and he was really good big kid who could skate and I remember him checking a guy thru the glass. Then I started watching the hawks when I got back home that was the 99-00 team and though they weren't that great they were tough. I discovered Vandenbussche and Probert and soon became addicted. Then that same year a junior team came to town the Roughriders and the first game I went two had a line brawl with like 5 fights including a goalie fight and that sealed it for me that I was going to follow the sport.

- vandymeer23


Cedar Rapids Roughriders vs Des Moines Buccaneers?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jul 10 @ 10:54 AM ET
That's Panarin's right if he wants to, but I would guess he'll look to lock up big bucks on a long term deal. I could see him landing in San Jose or maybe Vegas.
- DarthKane


That Saad deal looks better and better, or maybe Stan could of gotten more for him
HawksHype
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jul 10 @ 10:56 AM ET
I feel like the Bread Man is just going to be a hired gun and bounce around the league for the duration of his career.

A couple years here and there for multiple teams and that'll be it.

- Hank3Henshaw


Hossa type player? Bounce around for a bit and then signing a long term.
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jul 10 @ 10:59 AM ET
Hey Scott - even if the wheels come off next year, I think the Hawks are in a tough spot with a lot of their contracts.

It all depends on their play obviously, but I don't think you find a home for Toews or Seabrook.

Keith and Crawford (if healthy) could be moved and maybe they should. That would really signal the official rebuild and the Hawks would have to see some serious production from the baby core + excitement with those in the system (like Boqvist, Jokiharju, etc) that leads them to believe they are only a few years off from rebounding.

The Hawks exec team are ticked off and want to win. Guys like Duncan Keith and Corey Crawford give them a chance and the fans hope. I guess it depends how realistic they can be the roadmap.

- Justin Lowe


Seabrook or Toews might be able to be moved if salary is retained. It's a big if, and the thought of paying Seabrook to not play for the next 6 years is pretty ugly. But if the cap keeps going up it might eventually become an afterthought.

Toronto has been paying $1.2 to Kessel for the last 3 years, and has 4 years to go. Boston is paying Beleskey $1.9 for the next 2 years. Ottawa is paying Phaneuf $1.75.

The Hawks paying half of Seabrook or Toews' salaries would be the largest multi-year retention in league history, but it would save roughly $3 and$5.25 Million in cap a year.

My problem is, say we trade ALL of Seabrook or Toews' cap hits. Who do we sign this last offseason? de Haan for way too much? Derek Ryan, JVR, and Hutton? The grass isn't always greener, at least not this offseason.
HawksHype
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jul 10 @ 11:02 AM ET
Seabrook or Toews might be able to be moved if salary is retained. It's a big if, and the thought of paying Seabrook to not play for the next 6 years is pretty ugly. But if the cap keeps going up it might eventually become an afterthought.

Toronto has been paying $1.2 to Kessel for the last 3 years, and has 4 years to go. Boston is paying Beleskey $1.9 for the next 2 years. Ottawa is paying Phaneuf $1.75.

The Hawks paying half of Seabrook or Toews' salaries would be the largest multi-year retention in league history, but it would save roughly $3 and$5.25 Million in cap a year.

My problem is, say we trade ALL of Seabrook or Toews' cap hits. Who do we sign this last offseason? de Haan for way too much? Derek Ryan, JVR, and Hutton? The grass isn't always greener, at least not this offseason.

- ObeseOprah


Nothing would feel better than dumping a bad contract, only to pay him while he's winning a cup with another team haha.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jul 10 @ 11:04 AM ET
Hossa type player? Bounce around for a bit and then signing a long term.
- HawksHype


I could see it.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jul 10 @ 11:07 AM ET
I think your perspective on a possible reason for Kunitz's signing is fairly plausible. Last season, I feel Sharp had that role with DeBrincat and was his linemate for several stretches of games early in the year. Sharp was one of the best LW in the NHL for several seasons: he was fast, was a volume shooter, scored 25-35 goals consistently, played with an edge, and was sound in all zones and special teams. Mentorship like that can go a long way for the next wave and help them think and play the right way, especially during a tough season for the team as a whole.

Kunitz could have that impact on not only bottom-6 forwards like Hayden and Hinostroza (since he's likely to play line 3 or 4) but also top-6 forwards like Schmaltz, DeBrincat, and Sikura (since his prime years was on line 1 or 2). That type of leadership can't be overlooked, even if Kunitz is around for just one season. Sharp played one more season before retiring yet I believe he had a lasting impact on DeBrincat.

Do I have solid proof of that impact? No, but it was talked about on air by analysts so there was at least some influence.

- AEL_Fox


Very helpful post for me. Until you posted this I hadn't made the connection of what Sharp could/did mean for Dcat's development. Hindsight being what it is I have no doubt what Sharp meant to Dcat, at least, even though his other numbers don't seem helpful in a train wreck yr.

In that context I can easily see Kunitz helping players that way. He brings a toolkit no Hawk vet has in elite grit and compete being his strengths.

Did not hear what Sharp meant to Dcat on the air last yr. Which gets me angered all over again listening to Foley and Edzo talk about Edzo's old lady's cookies and gushing over each other how great they are. They are unlistenable together.
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jul 10 @ 11:36 AM ET
Anyone else confused by TB’s cap situation? It seems like they always find a way to re-sign important players without having to purge anyone off the roster due to cap constraints. Next season (‘19-‘20) they’re adding an additional $7M in salary with the Kucherov and McDonagh extensions, and will be needing to re-sign Point, Gourde, and possibly even Stralman. The following year they’ll need to re-sign Vasilevskiy and Sergachev.

And I’m sure that somehow they’re still in on Karlsson as well.

I’m sure they’ll find a way to move Johnson or Palat, and they’ve got ample talent, but it’s just fascinating to see how they continue to manage their cap space. They love locking in their players to long-term deals.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jul 10 @ 11:38 AM ET
My feeling is this, typically many general managers in many sports are successful as are pres. It will always, always come down to the owner, always. So many examples out there but to me the most obvious was Steinbrenner. When he ran the Yankees it became a dynasty. Then he stepped away they shuffled along, then he came back they won 3 in a row, then was suspended and then RIP. Take a good look at the Wings, Illitch gets older and struggles with health so did both his teams.

I don't know what the Bears did but i believe they have hired football consultants or something because they are making so many good moves, time will tell and there's a part of me that believes the McCaskeys will f this up some how, hope not, but they are who they are.

So long as Rocky is at the helm, I'm good

- BetweenTheDots


Yes and yes. Agree that everything stops and starts with the owner in every sport. These are very very smart and successful people and I've grown to defer, only in the sports world, to them.

Probably as long as 3 yrs ago I posted this is not Stan's or Q's fault, it is Rocky's. That it didn't matter who played 1RW, 2C or 4D as the organIzational structure can no longer achieve sustained success as is.

I don't know but don't believe Rocky has the benefit of the counsel of a real hockey mind to help him look at his organIzation clearly and objectively. I think Scotty Bowman was that guy but not sure he is anymore or has been replaced in that regard.
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