TT has had one above average year, and when he was here did not show much in the way of making himself any harder to play against (correct, that is not his game, but it behooves all players to take the necessary steps to do so).

Panarin is a great player, but there are more and more signs that he would end up being a lost asset at the end of his contract.


- Chunk

I didn't blame StanBowPops&McD when TT was moved one bit. I battled with JJ for a couple yrs this kid has elite hands and that his WJC numbers were up there with Peter Forsberg/Crosby types as the best ever.

But I had seen enough alligator arms hockey from the kid and calculated his ceiling would be a Johansson where he'd maybe hit 55ish points and play soft on the perimeter.

They probably brought him up a yr early in hindsight. As you mention he's had one good yr but I saw maybe 5-6 CAR games last yr and the kid passed the eye test for me. A thicker player that played with more purpose. Bet that kid was scared shi#^&@@ of Q.

Liked the Panarin-Saad trade from the get go, like it more now that the Cossack wants out of CLB and watching NYI lose Tavares for nuttin.

Does anyone believe the hawks are going to anything else this offseason? If they do what would be the moves and what would the trades look like? Just to quiet for my liking if bowman goes into the start of the season with this roster right now it will be top 5 pick and bowman should be fired. Hopefully more things are coming.

Jock tax
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In the United States, the jock tax is the colloquially named income tax levied against visitors to a city or state who earn money in that jurisdiction. Since a state cannot afford to track the many individuals who do business on an itinerant basis, the ones targeted are usually very wealthy and high profile, namely professional athletes. Not only are the working schedules of famous sports players public, so are their salaries. The state can compute and collect the amount with very little investment of time and effort.
- glennjpawlak22

That’s what I thought - and it’s why all of the talk about how low / nomtax states have such an advantage in attracting free agent athletes to their jurisdictions is a bit overblown- that state tax differential is at least some evened out.

But I don’t know why the signing bonus amount would not be subject to the “jock tax” - it’s income earned as a contracted player, just like salary.

Does anyone believe the hawks are going to anything else this offseason? If they do what would be the moves and what would the trades look like? Just to quiet for my liking if bowman goes into the start of the season with this roster right now it will be top 5 pick and bowman should be fired. Hopefully more things are coming.
- Scott1977

Some may disagree but I would like them, to revisit Kevin Hayes if, the New York Rangers are looking to deal. And I understand I don’t know everything behind the scenes with this kid. He would’ve been a nice big strong forward for us. I wonder if he was drafted now with the golden opportunity of stepping right in, if his decision would’ve changed. He would’ve signed that contract in a heart beat.
I will restate what I said yesterday, I don’t believe for one minute that the ownership will let this ship sink this season and not get it competitive for the playoffs. Hopefully there are a couple more moves at some point like within the next couple of weeks possibly.

I tried to make this argument a couple months ago but realized that Yzerman's draft record has been great but not flawless. Stan has had a few gems in Saad, TT, Debrincat, Danault, and the undrafted Panarin.
- ObeseOprah

Yes, the Kelly led scouting department has been very good. Add Johns to that list and as mentioned unearthed Niemi and Raanta.

The Athletic had a piece that TB signs overlooked smallish players like Johnson and Gourde and it's really helped keep the pipeline going. They hit late on small players too .....

When Alex Barre-Boulet​ had a chance​ to sign​ with several​ teams​ this offseason, he took a peek at​ the​​ Lightning roster.

Barre-Boulet, a 5-foot-10, 165-pound forward, was the CHL Player of the Year after his 53-goal season in Blainville in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League. The gifted scorer went undrafted three times in the NHL.

So did former Lightning All-Star Tyler Johnson, a 5-foot-8 center from Spokane, Washington. Both Johnson and 5-foot-9 Yanni Gourde, who was passed over twice, signed as undrafted free agents before becoming 20-plus goal scorers in the NHL.

Brayden Point, the Lightning’s 5-foot-10 All-Star center, was a third-rounder.

“Smaller, bigger — it doesn’t matter for the Lightning,” Barre-Boulet said.

Sammy Walker, the University of Minnesota-bound forward, was enthused for the same reason when, as a 5-foot-10, 150-pound high schooler, he was taken in the seventh round of the 2017 NHL draft.

“The league is all about speed,” Walker said. “Tampa is giving more smaller guys with speed a chance.”

The smaller guys stole the show at the Lightning’s development camp last weekend at the Ice Sports Forum. Walker, with nine goals, led Team Stamkos to the 3-on-3 tournament championship. Barre-Boulet was dazzling with his blend of skill and speed. Ross Colton, a six-foot winger, showed why the Lightning recently signed him to a two-year, two-way deal out of Vermont.

There are certain characteristics GM Steve Yzerman wants his scouting staff to search for in players: competitiveness, hockey sense, strong skater. Size isn’t one of them.

One of the Lightning’s greatest players ever, Martin St. Louis, went from a 5-foot-9 undrafted forward to the Hall of Fame (he’ll be inducted in the fall).

“Ultimately good players are good players, regardless of size,” Yzerman told The Athletic. “Hey, if we’ve got a bunch of Marty St. Louis’ that were 6-5 or Brayden Points that were 6-5, yeah, we’d love that. But one just got in the Hall of Fame and the other guy is becoming one of the best players in the league.”

“We don’t want to be the smallest team in the National Hockey League,” scouting director Al Murray said. “But we want to have smart, competitive, fast people.”

Could be a load of BS but for those of you still keeping an eye out looks like Anton Forseberg just started following the NHLFlames on Instagram.


FWIW


Its July 10th. I think.

Could be a load of BS but for those of you still keeping an eye out looks like Anton Forseberg just started following the NHLFlames on Instagram.


FWIW


Its July 10th. I think.
- mrpaulish

We getting Karlsson?

Could be a load of BS but for those of you still keeping an eye out looks like Anton Forseberg just started following the NHLFlames on Instagram.


FWIW


Its July 10th. I think.
- mrpaulish

Hopefully he’s traded for Frolik.

We getting Karlsson?
- BDT36

Even better...FROLIK!!!!

Even better...FROLIK!!!!
- DarthKane

Habs to trade Patches ASAP, saw this pop up on my phone from bleacher report. Anyone know of any discussions of teams looking at him?
- HawksHype

Thought they had a deal done with Vegas last yr but Pacioretty and the Knights couldn't agree on an extension. Could be wrong though.

That’s what I thought - and it’s why all of the talk about how low / nomtax states have such an advantage in attracting free agent athletes to their jurisdictions is a bit overblown- that state tax differential is at least some evened out.

But I don’t know why the signing bonus amount would not be subject to the “jock tax” - it’s income earned as a contracted player, just like salary.
- StLBravesFan

That’s an over simplification, 1/2 the games are played at home, bonuses like signing, performance etc... are not taxed by other states. Even the state tax is applied differently from state to state, some don’t charge it, some have a per game fee. It’s extremely complicated that’s why they have agents and tax consultants. But it definitely affects their bottom line as far as take home pay.

What is the financial benefit of Salary v bonus?
- riozzo

As I understand it your salary is not paid in a lockout but bonus's are.

That’s what I thought - and it’s why all of the talk about how low / nomtax states have such an advantage in attracting free agent athletes to their jurisdictions is a bit overblown- that state tax differential is at least some evened out.

But I don’t know why the signing bonus amount would not be subject to the “jock tax” - it’s income earned as a contracted player, just like salary.
- StLBravesFan

The signing bonus is subject to federal and state income tax. The federal tax would be the same irrespective of the team he signs with, but since Florida has a 0% state income tax, every dollar in signing bonus is shielded from state income tax for away games.

Suppose a salary of $8,200,000 which works out to $100,000 a game. For a player in Tampa bay, that’s $4,100,000 subject to 0% income tax for home games and $4,100,000 subject to the state tax rate for every away game. Suppose an average state income tax of 4%, the player pays $$164,000 in state income tax for road games.

Now suppose he instead gets $820,000 in salary ($10,000 a game) and $7,380,000 in signing bonus. Same amount of federal tax as before. However now his salary produces $0 in Florida income tax on $410,000 from home games but just $16,400 for the $410,000 salary for the road game.

Player saves $147,600 in jock tax because he only exposed $410,000 to road game salary instead of $4,100,000 of road game salary if there was no signing bonus.

Even better...FROLIK!!!!
- DarthKane

Frolik was a guy the Hawks made an outstanding trade for and coach Q really helped him add more elements to his game. I wouldn't mind seeing him back, but I doubt it will happen.

Its interesting to see how the Lightning's draft picks have worked out, considering how many choice selections they have had since 2008.

Stamkos and Hedman - back to back in 2008 and 2009

Brett Connolly in 2010 - elsewhere

2011 - Kucherov (#58) and Palat (#208) and other Russians

2012 - Slater Koekkoek #10 - not many games played, but he gets Vasilesky at #19.

2013 - Drouin - gone. Probably should have taken Seth Jones instead.

2014 - DeAngelo #19 - gone but they get Braydon Point at #79

2015 - Cirelli at #72. Nobody else has played a single game from 2015, 2016 and 2017 drafts.

So some of Stevie Y's selections are wide open to criticism.
- RickJ

Not sure when Stevie Y took over as GM but here are their drafts. Just noticed a flier they took on Cole Guttman out of the USHL last yr. Nice value pick in rd 6: http://www.hockeydb.com/i...aft/teams/dr00008385.html

Hawks drafts: http://www.hockeydb.com/i...aft/teams/dr00005218.html

It ain't easy, man.... The Hawks 2017 draft might be a real good one.

I didn't blame StanBowPops&McD when TT was moved one bit. I battled with JJ for a couple yrs this kid has elite hands and that his WJC numbers were up there with Peter Forsberg/Crosby types as the best ever.

But I had seen enough alligator arms hockey from the kid and calculated his ceiling would be a Johansson where he'd maybe hit 55ish points and play soft on the perimeter.

They probably brought him up a yr early in hindsight. As you mention he's had one good yr but I saw maybe 5-6 CAR games last yr and the kid passed the eye test for me. A thicker player that played with more purpose. Bet that kid was scared shi#^&@@ of Q.

Liked the Panarin-Saad trade from the get go, like it more now that the Cossack wants out of CLB and watching NYI lose Tavares for nuttin.
- Mr Ricochet

I would have to agree with you with TT's inconsistency. Early on he was just too timid then he got some proper seasoning with the Hogs then called up for the playoffs and was arguably one of their best players (I believe the Ducks series) and continue that to a lesser degree all the way to winning the Cup. One would think based on that playoff experience positives that TT would have a monster year the following season but then he regressed. Currently he and Aho look good together on a line.

I would have to agree with you with TT's inconsistency. Early on he was just too timid then he got some proper seasoning with the Hogs then called up for the playoffs and was arguably one of their best players (I believe the Ducks series) and continue that to a lesser degree all the way to winning the Cup. One would think based on that playoff experience positives that TT would have a monster year the following season but then he regressed. Currently he and Aho look good together on a line.
- D2D

You have a very good memory. Indeed TT was fantastic in the playoffs that yr and yes he really regressed badly the following yr. That's when I jumped ship on the TWENTY ONE yr old.

Does anyone believe the hawks are going to anything else this offseason? If they do what would be the moves and what would the trades look like? Just to quiet for my liking if bowman goes into the start of the season with this roster right now it will be top 5 pick and bowman should be fired. Hopefully more things are coming.
- Scott1977

But what if this is the plan? What if they sold to Rocky and John that in order to ice a product that could be exciting for an extended period of time they need to acquire higher draft picks for 2-3 years? They have some exciting defensemen coming up in the next couple of years they need to restock.

I didn't blame StanBowPops&McD when TT was moved one bit. I battled with JJ for a couple yrs this kid has elite hands and that his WJC numbers were up there with Peter Forsberg/Crosby types as the best ever.

But I had seen enough alligator arms hockey from the kid and calculated his ceiling would be a Johansson where he'd maybe hit 55ish points and play soft on the perimeter.

They probably brought him up a yr early in hindsight. As you mention he's had one good yr but I saw maybe 5-6 CAR games last yr and the kid passed the eye test for me. A thicker player that played with more purpose. Bet that kid was scared shi#^&@@ of Q.

Liked the Panarin-Saad trade from the get go, like it more now that the Cossack wants out of CLB and watching NYI lose Tavares for nuttin.
- Mr Ricochet

I'm not sure why people keep saying TT is amongst the highest scoring ever in the World Junior Championships? He's not in the top ten and no where near the leaderboard.

How did the Blues get Maroon for only 1.7M and one year? Surely he should have been able to secure a better deal than that elsewhere. Did he really want to go home that badly?

I'm not sure why people keep saying TT is amongst the highest scoring ever in the World Junior Championships? He's not in the top ten and no where near the leaderboard.
- GPHawksfan

Tied for 16th all time at the U-20. https://www.eliteprospect...gue/wjc-20/stats/all-time

Correct. Keeping some damn fine company none the less.

https://youtu.be/sMbPoOcQ3yQ

How did the Blues get Maroon for only 1.7M and one year? Surely he should have been able to secure a better deal than that elsewhere. Did he really want to go home that badly?
- 67hawks

He had microdiscectomy surgery to treat a herniated disc in early May. Shuts him down for six weeks, then gradual workup back to the lineup.

And, his son lives in STL.

Smart deal for him. If he has another great season he can get a nice payday afterward.

Dont forget, the Blues are making a serious attempt to make a run this year. We arent.

Could be a load of BS but for those of you still keeping an eye out looks like Anton Forseberg just started following the NHLFlames on Instagram.


FWIW


Its July 10th. I think.
- mrpaulish

If true, not only does that mean a deal with CGY is coming, but also that CC is back.