How it works is this...

Nashville is completely and utterly (frank)ed if (when?) Weber retires 4 years or so from now.
- Aetherial

There's zero chance Weber retires before his contract is up. Why would he retire when he could just sit on LTIR and keep getting paid?

The difference between Carey Price having an unbelievable season at 2.15 GAA and an Average coming in at 2.40 GAA equates to about 15 goals over 60 games played

The Average Goalie you can get for about 4 million, Do you think you can upgrade a forward position or 2 for 6.5 million that would add up to 15 goals?

Spending YUGE money on starting goalies does not work in a cap system.

Having to sign that guy till he's 39 is a recipe for disaster

don't forget, you still need a competent backup to eat up the other 24 games. And if your team is "built from the net out" then you can't afford it to just be "some guy for cheap" because you'd require "elite" goaltending to have a chance to win the games that Price doesn't play

So at best, you'd need 13-14 million tied up in goalies?
- RoloTahmasee

While you make sense, I don't think you can only look at the value of a goalie with is GAA...The total of goal allowed can be franked up by a very bad game or 2. To me the value of one of the best ( fully aware Price needs to prove he can be back in that class) is making saves that only a few of them could make or at an every important time to turn games around ( sometimes both !)

There's zero chance Weber retires before his contract is up. Why would he retire when he could just sit on LTIR and keep getting paid?
- Hunkulese

The Habs could pass him on a physical and he'd either have to play or retire. Doubt he plays the last 3 years at $1m after what he's banked. Heck doubt he plays the 4th last year for only $3m. So yeah....won't happen. Realistically it's a 4 or 5 year term remaining from the Habs perspective.

LTIR only happens when it benefits both sides...in this case there is no benefit to the Habs so he'd either have to play or retire...or get traded to Nashville and suffer a skin condition (I know there's a shred of truth is Hossa's stuff) or some other poop and go on LTIR for them

Hey Dumb Dumb, like I said I havent been posting on here for a while, its your idiotic core of a fan base on this site who keeps on saying stuff like that while they post all day every day and go into every other thread to explain why Karlsson is going to be traded for all your teams best assets

take a look in the mirror before you start just blindly believing what they say in a poor attempt to deflect at how poopty the organization that you cheer for is ran . I post on my work breaks, news flash like 90% of the people on this site.

Yet you sens fans will cry at all hours of the night at how you are mistreated by other fans on this site, boo hoo you have no lives bc you make fun of the Sens. Thats more of a you problem then a me problem
- DDM-Coga

Whatever you say.......all you are is alfieisking who cheers for a different team. Same poster, same idiotic trolling day after day.

Eck. disagree. it is over in MTL. hopefully Bergevin accepts it and does the right thing. which he won't, 'cause his reputation is on the line.

jesus christ......weber and price are 2 of the most unmoveable players in the league, right up there with bobby ryan

the habs are ripped mercilessly because their GM is ridiculously incompetent and makes his team worse and worse with every subsequent move. and he does this despite not being financially handcuffed....like PD in Ottawa.
- sensarmy_11

So they get subventions for you where you "work " huh ?

The Habs could pass him on a physical and he'd either have to play or retire. Doubt he plays the last 3 years at $1m after what he's banked. Heck doubt he plays thr 4th last year for onky $3m. So yeah....won't happen. Realistically it's a 4 or 5 year term remaining from the Habs perspective.

LTIR only happens when it benefits both sides...in this case there is no benefit to the Habs so he'd either have to play or retire...or get traded to Nashville and suffer a skin condition (I know there's a shred of truth is Hossa's stuff) or some other poop and go on LTIR for them
- Takemedrunkimhome

Hockey players rarely if ever retire just because they don't want to play anymore. Pretty much everyone keeps going until no one wants to pay them anymore. Who really wants to retire before 40?

The only thing to worry about is if he "retires" to chase the KHL money. But how likey is that?

Whatever you say.......all you are is alfieisking who cheers for a different team. Same poster, same idiotic trolling day after day.
- sensarmy_11

I get you came to troll the Habs and you hate the Avalanche because of how badly the Sens got bent over for Duchene...but a touch of reality would likely help you. False equivalencies don't make facts just bad arguments

The Webber / Subban deal will slant in Montreal's favour as the winner if Webber ends up retiring early due to these injuries. I can't remember exactly how it works out but The Fan960 in Calgary broke it down on how the cap implications would fall to Nashville and could be up to $24 million for one year. Again, can't remember exactly how that works but could force Nashville into a sell mode real quick.
- Flames in 6 04

So, If Weber up and retires early due to injury while Subban is still playing somewhere, possibly winning Norris trophies, somehow that slants the deal in MONTREALS favor?

That deal will never end in Montreals favor. Never, Stupid then, Stupid now

Hockey players rarely if ever retire just because they don't want to play anymore. Pretty much everyone keeps going until no one wants to pay them anymore. Who really wants to retire before 40?

The only thing to worry about is if he "retires" to chase the KHL money. But how likey is that?
- Hunkulese

All of those contracts were designed for players to retire the last few years and lower the cap hit. Datsyuk...heck Zetterberg wants out now but wishes he never said so publicly due to cap recapture - I would bet he retires before his contract still as after this year it will be two years at $1m - this is his retirement tour. The Sens screwed Alfie after he played out his cheap year to their benefit and they wouldn't make it up to him the next year so he went to Detroit.

If you're 40 and played hard years would you play 3 years at near league minimum when you've banked almost $100m in career earnings? Guys start to get concerned about their post playing career more than you'd think

I get you came to troll the Habs and you hate the Avalanche because of how badly the Sens got bent over for Duchene...but a touch of reality would likely help you. False equivalencies don't make facts just bad arguments
- Takemedrunkimhome

Please explain why its trolling to suggest that Weber and price are anything but immoveable contracts?

Who wants a 33 year old dman, who's had 2 major injuries in the last 6 months, who's out for the next 6 months, and who's owed 8mil + for the next 8 years?

Or a goalie, who while excellent, is paid twice as much as guys who aren't that far off from him. Why pay 10mil + for price (plus assets in trade) when you can likely get a goalie only slightly worse for 5 or 6 mil.

2-3?

Nice!
- Scabeh

One of them is Bergevin though.

No player is untradable. But Weber would not garner a return comparable to the value he would have staying put. Price at 10 mil probably would still garner the best return for a goalie compared with other number ones traded... which isn’t that much considering what goalies go for. A first rounder? That’s about it.
- ChrisMS

agreed on the price return. especially with a NMC. when you give a player a full nmc, you pretty much decide then you aren't getting much of a return.

One of them is Bergevin though.
- BlueBallz

Still 1-2 more than expected.

All of those contracts were designed for players to retire the last few years and lower the cap hit. Datsyuk...heck Zetterberg wants out now but wishes he never said so publicly due to cap recapture - I would bet he retires before his contract still as after this year it will be two years at $1m - this is his retirement tour. The Sens screwed Alfie after he played out his cheap year to their benefit and they wouldn't make it up to him the next year so he went to Detroit.

If you're 40 and played hard years would you play 3 years at near league minimum when you've banked almost $100m in career earnings? Guys start to get concerned about their post playing career more than you'd think
- Takemedrunkimhome

He'll just get traded to some cap floor team that will use his 8 million dollar hit and will only cost them 1 million in salary

In this scenario they actually DON'T want the LTIR, because that clears the cap hit. They will pay him 1 Milliion in cash and ask him to stay home

He gets paid, The team in question is cap compliant

Win/Win

Please explain why its trolling to suggest that Weber and price are anything but immoveable contracts?

Who wants a 33 year old dman, who's had 2 major injuries in the last 6 months, who's out for the next 6 months, and who's owed 8mil + for the next 8 years?

Or a goalie, who while excellent, is paid twice as much as guys who aren't that far off from him. Why pay 10mil + for price (plus assets in trade) when you can likely get a goalie only slightly worse for 5 or 6 mil.
- sensarmy_11

Trolling - and false equivalencies started when you compared them to Bobby Ryan and his contract. Either that or you literally are too big a Sens fan to see the forest OR the trees.

If team Canada had to pick a world cup roster to play and both Price and Weber are healthy...they are locks and in the initial group of 8 or 10 names named. Their contracts aren't great but they are still useful players. Bobby Ryan has the same amount of points and only one more goal the last two seasons compared Weber despite Weber’s injuries and the whole him being a defensive d man. That's why it's obvious trolling...or ignorance. Take your pick

He'll just get traded to some cap floor team that will use his 8 million dollar hit and will only cost them 1 million in salary

In this scenario they actually DON'T want the LTIR, because that clears the cap hit. They will pay him 1 Milliion in cash and ask him to stay home

He gets paid, The team in question is cap compliant

Win/Win
- RoloTahmasee

Again...why would MTL do that? The cap recapture is an asset for MTL. Either Nash pays MTL or they force Weber to retire and Nash pays $24+m in recapture penalties

Habs suck and their GM is to blame. Hes driving the team into the ground. The PK trade was abysmal and the traded their best center for domi
- matthewsscores

But now they have all those wingers to play centre. The two positions are interchangeable, aren't they?

Again...why would MTL do that? The cap recapture is an asset for MTL. Either Nash pays MTL or they force Weber to retire and Nash pays $24+m in recapture penalties
- Takemedrunkimhome

how do they force weber to retire?

how do they force weber to retire?
- Tumbleweed

Kidnap his childr...

I mean...

Ahem...

Send him to the AHL?

Again...why would MTL do that? The cap recapture is an asset for MTL. Either Nash pays MTL or they force Weber to retire and Nash pays $24+m in recapture penalties
- Takemedrunkimhome

Because you can't "Force" anyone to retire, especially when they are owed money

Weber will be on the Montreal roster at an 8 million dollar cap hit, OR, they will trade him to a team that wants the cap hit and will happily pay Weber the money. Montreal will use the cap space gained to improve their team

What does Nashville have to do with it from Montreals perspective? Why does Montreal care?

how do they force weber to retire?
- Tumbleweed

Pass him on a physical and give him the choice to play 3 years for $1m a year or retire as he likely has planned at 37 or 38 with his loads of money and his health.

NFL is already seeing it - guys getting out while they have BIG money on the table due to concerns for their post playing careers.

Ask yourself...if you were him would you play 3 years at the end of your career after all the wear and tear for $1m a year? As I said I'm not even sure he plays the 4th last year for $3m.

No reason for MTL to put him on LTIR so his choice is 3 years for peanuts or retire in relative health. I know what I'd choose. Heck looking at the MTL situation I might be debating it in the near future if I were him...he's been PAID

Pass him on a physical and give him the choice to play 3 years for $1m a year or retire as he likely has planned at 37 or 38 with his loads of money and his health.

NFL is already seeing it - guys getting out while they have BIG money on the table due to concerns for their post playing careers.

Ask yourself...if you were him would you play 3 years at the end of your career after all the wear and tear for $1m a year? As I said I'm not even sure he playsbthe 4th last year for $3m.

No reason for MTL to put him on LTIR so his choice is 3 years for peanuts or retire in relative health. I know what I'd choose. Heck looking at the MTL situation I might be debating it in the near future if I were him...he's been PAID
- Takemedrunkimhome

he can get a 2nd opinion from his own dr.

scabies idea of sending him to the ahl is passable.

Trolling - and false equivalencies started when you compared them to Bobby Ryan and his contract. Either that or you literally are too big a Sens fan to see the forest OR the trees.

If team Canada had to pick a world cup roster to play and both Price and Weber are healthy...they are locks and in the initial group of 8 or 10 names named. Their contracts aren't great but they are still useful players. Bobby Ryan has the same amount of points and only one more goal the last two seasons compared Weber despite Weber’s injuries and the whole him being a defensive d man. That's why it's obvious trolling...or ignorance. Take your pick
- Takemedrunkimhome

obviously they're better players than Ryan......but they're also signed to way more money and WAY WAY more term. Hence the comparison.

And I did say that Ryan was worse, but their contracts would be as hard to move as his

Pass him on a physical and give him the choice to play 3 years for $1m a year or retire as he likely has planned at 37 or 38 with his loads of money and his health.

NFL is already seeing it - guys getting out while they have BIG money on the table due to concerns for their post playing careers.

Ask yourself...if you were him would you play 3 years at the end of your career after all the wear and tear for $1m a year? As I said I'm not even sure he playsbthe 4th last year for $3m.

No reason for MTL to put him on LTIR so his choice is 3 years for peanuts or retire in relative health. I know what I'd choose. Heck looking at the MTL situation I might be debating it in the near future if I were him...he's been PAID
- Takemedrunkimhome

It's all speculation at this point, we don't know how Weber's play/health will be or what will be his priorities or what he'll want when he's closing in on 40.