Because it's free money?

Same reason Hossa hasn't "retired", Free Money, Checks to cash

It is incredibly easy for players to "Fail" a physical on purpose. Maybe not for the purposes of LTIR (which would actually be bad for Montreal) but if the Habs don't play ball and find a way for everyone to get theirs, Weber could simply claim "headaches" due to Post Concussion or "sore knee" and be week to week for years as he collects him money and Montreal eats that Cap hit
- RoloTahmasee

However this is the one and only case where the team wouldn't benefit from the LTIR. In all those cases teams go with it as it benefits them. In this case MTL wouldn't because it doesn't. Not rocket surgery

Two years ago Ryan had 13g 12a for 25p in 62 gp
Last year it was 11g 22a for 33 p in 62 gp

So yeah...in 124 gp he is a 50+point 20+g guy.

I'm using facts. You're talking poop
- Takemedrunkimhome

i said when he's healthy.......he's had hand issues the last 2 seasons.

like i said, let's see how weber does now that he's had 2 serious injuries right on top of eachother

no poop.....but 31 out of 31 teams also wouldn't want anything to do with weber's contract
- sensarmy_11

Most teams would love to have the contract because it means they have Weber on the blue line. The fact that now is where the lower actual money kicks in makes it all the more appealing.

Most teams would love to have the contract because it means they have Weber on the blue line. The fact that now is where the lower actual money kicks in makes it all the more appealing.
- Hunkulese

right....

i could see ottawa caring about the less actual money thing.....not many other teams

as for the "most teams would love that contract point"......yeah, i don't think so.

I already said the only way Weber retires is if he's chasing KHL money. But he's not Russian, so....

You don't seem to understand the Alfredsson situation at all. The whole point was he wanted to keep playing. He wanted another contract but Ottawa didn't give it and he went to Detroit


- Hunkulese

There was a backroom deal because initially Alfredsson had the low $$$ years to lessen the overall cap hit on the entire contract but since that contract couldn't be renegotiated, and it turned out Alfie was actually still playing they said they'd give him a 1 year deal at big $$$ after to make it up to him (illegal and not binding btw...)

When it came time to do it Melnyk cheaped out and Alfredsson considered it a betrayal and went to Detroit

Why does everybody care that much right now about Price cap avg? The Habs have like 12 millions in unused cap space with which they could not bring any marquee UFA with anyway. He could be paid 20 million a year and it would not change a thing right now. Hell we could have signed Tavares with space to spare even with Price new contract kicking in this year.

Price current salary has zero impact today, that is not the issue. The issue with the team is no first-line centre and no adequate replacement for Markov and Radulov since they left 2 years ago. If they want to rebuild/reset/retool/whatever because they can't trade/sign enough help, that's fine, but Price salary won't be the reason the team is bad this year.

Maybe the salary can become a problem in a couple seasons when the Habs have a reason to spend their cap space but right now it change nothing.

Well, if the Habs try to "force" him to retire (impossible), or force him to play in the AHL as punishment for not retiring rather than simply trade him to a cap floor team where he can simply collect checks while he stays at home (Because that would be what was up with the cap floor team trading for him) then I could see him doing exactly this out of spite
- RoloTahmasee

The idea of "forcing" someone to retire is laughable.

So is the idea of a player claiming a fake injury without his team being "in" on it.

Jabs should unload price, patches, and Weber for anything under 23 and is a first round pick with high ceiling. The team is so far off and don’t seem to have a clear path with the gm. They need to re-evaluate like the leafs did

right....

i could see ottawa caring about the less actual money thing.....not many other teams

as for the "most teams would love that contract point"......yeah, i don't think so.
- sensarmy_11

I think plenty of teams would gladly take Shea Weber on their team.

Is the contract perfect? Of course not. I still think teams would jump at the opportunity of adding a first pairing defenseman.

And yes, I'm not worried he'll be back to his formidable self once he's back from his injury.

However this is the one and only case where the team wouldn't benefit from the LTIR. In all those cases teams go with it as it benefits them. In this case MTL wouldn't because it doesn't. Not rocket surgery
- Takemedrunkimhome

If Weber goes LTIR, Montreal gets the cap space back for other players

If he doesn't go LTIR, and is still on their roster, They still absorb the full cap hit, Weber still gets paid and he can game them through unprovable injuries for the duration of the contract if he wants to

What are you talking about?

There was a backroom deal because initially Alfredsson had the low $$$ years to lessen the overall cap hit on the entire contract but since that contract couldn't be renegotiated, and it turned out Alfie was actually still playing they said they'd give him a 1 year deal at big $$$ after to make it up to him (illegal and not binding btw...)

When it came time to do it Melnyk cheaped out and Alfredsson considered it a betrayal and went to Detroit
- RoloTahmasee

My recollection was slightly different but this does sound both believable and accurate. I'd thought his plan was to retire before the cheap year and go play in Sweden but this also makes sense

The idea of "forcing" someone to retire is laughable.

So is the idea of a player claiming a fake injury without his team being "in" on it.
- Scabeh

I think people are getting a little caught up in the term "force" rather than the general sentiment. My bad. Ahh the interwebs

If Weber goes LTIR, Montreal gets the cap space back for other players

If he doesn't go LTIR, and is still on their roster, They still absorb the full cap hit, Weber still gets paid and he can game them through unprovable injuries for the duration of the contract if he wants to

What are you talking about?
- RoloTahmasee

They only get the cap space back in September. That isn't as useful then. Cap hit is on the books until the season starts and then you can LTIR it. That's why it matters

My recollection was slightly different but this does sound both believable and accurate. I'd thought his plan was to retire before the cheap year and go play in Sweden but this also makes sense
- Takemedrunkimhome

That was his plan, but when things changed and he was still playing well, he had asked for an extension since "Hey, this last year for 1 million isn't fair" (actually the entirety of the contract, in hindsight was way under value)

The team told him that they'd look at it at the end of the year and so they would know exactly what they could afford and make it up to him

blah, blah, blah, Melnyk cheaped out and went back on his word

i said when he's healthy.......he's had hand issues the last 2 seasons.

like i said, let's see how weber does now that he's had 2 serious injuries right on top of eachother
- sensarmy_11

To be fair. Weber has proven when hes on the ice hes super effective at what he does. Being injured sucks for sure. But when hes on the ice he shows up.

They only get the cap space back in September. That isn't as useful then. Cap hit is on the books until the season starts and then you can LTIR it. That's why it matters
- Takemedrunkimhome

Either way, Ball is in Webers court if the Habs refuse to do whats right by him because they are in some way trying to extract some sort of ransom from Nashville

Hatred, envy and jealousy comes with being the most storied franchise in hockey

That was his plan, but when things changed and he was still playing well, he had asked for an extension since "Hey, this last year for 1 million isn't fair" (actually the entirety of the contract, in hindsight was way under value)

The team told him that they'd look at it at the end of the year and so they would know exactly what they could afford and make it up to him

blah, blah, blah, Melnyk cheaped out and went back on his word
- RoloTahmasee

Works for me

Either way, Ball is in Webers court if the Habs refuse to do whats right by him because they are in some way trying to extract some sort of ransom from Nashville
- RoloTahmasee

$24+m cap hit

Either way, Ball is in Webers court if the Habs refuse to do whats right by him because they are in some way trying to extract some sort of ransom from Nashville
- RoloTahmasee

Heck if Weber played along he'd actually make more money

...but you just know somehow Gary Bettman's next lockout will bail Nashville out of this.
- stinger67

At the very least there will be another amnesty buyout for bad contracts.

Hatred, envy and jealousy comes with being the most storied franchise in hockey
- Komisaurus Rex

What's the difference between Envy and Jealousy.

Do you seriously think that much of either is going on right now?

Why does everybody care that much right now about Price cap avg? The Habs have like 12 millions in unused cap space with which they could not bring any marquee UFA with anyway. He could be paid 20 million a year and it would not change a thing right now. Hell we could have signed Tavares with space to spare even with Price new contract kicking in this year.

Price current salary has zero impact today, that is not the issue. The issue with the team is no first-line centre and no adequate replacement for Markov and Radulov since they left 2 years ago. If they want to rebuild/reset/retool/whatever because they can't trade/sign enough help, that's fine, but Price salary won't be the reason the team is bad this year.

Maybe the salary can become a problem in a couple seasons when the Habs have a reason to spend their cap space but right now it change nothing.
- Popofjc

So you are saying that that cap hit doesn't impact their ability to trade him? Are you saying that the Habs won't be a cap team for the next 8 years?

What's the difference between Envy and Jealousy.

Do you seriously think that much of either is going on right now?
- Aetherial

Alot of it is decades of built up envy, most of you guppies were watching or rooting for other teams because the Leafs were so haggard. You are guilty of that, you are as fairweather as they come

What's the difference between Envy and Jealousy.

Do you seriously think that much of either is going on right now?
- Aetherial

There are things to be envious of when it comes to the Canadiens franchise. The problem is that their roster and management team are not those things