Peter Tessier: The Jets have problem,s but the right kind There's too much doom and gloom around the Jets and keeping the team together. They are not here without knowing how to manage this situation, even with a few surprises.

There is someone out there that would keep Myers over Wheeler?

The lesson? Don't pay ex-Sabres. Especially on defense. The Kulikov signing, especially, was a boneheaded move. At least with Myers they got rid of Bogosian.

Appropriate subject for this time of year Pete, but I just posted this last night and wanted to get some feedback

Ideally, we don’t. I just don’t know if Roslovic is ready for a top center role under Scheifele.

My ideal lineup:
Petan-Scheifele-Wheeler
Perreault-Little-Ehlers
Connor-Roslovic-Laine
Copp-Lowry-Dano
Tanev
- Rexypoo

My son swears that Laine/Scheiffele/Ehlers was the best line in the history of hockey for about 20-25 games in 2016-17. Anyone else recall that? With that in mind:

Laine-Scheiffele-Ehlers
Connor-Roslovic-Wheeler
Perreault-Little/Petan-Petan/Little
Copp-Lowry-Tanev/Dano

Roslovic and Little can be swapped if need be or Petan and Roslovic and put Little on the wing. I want to see Roslovic at center and Petan feeding a scorer like Connor......

Firstly , Ryan Lampert never ever said the Jets should keep Myers over Blake Wheeler. He actually argued that we should try and keep Wheeler at all costs. I agree with trying to keep Wheeler so long as it's not some long-term contract at a ridiculous AAV even if Myers is the expense that needs to go.

However, he is also correct in saying that a player like Myers are very hard to find. Myers is extremely versatile, can put up the points, and plays big minutes. His numbers are actually quite good from a Corsi perspective as well, especially considering his pairing partners. Enstrom, Kulikov , Chariot, and Poolman were much worse. If paired with a guy like Morrissey then the sky is the limit. Guys like Myers don't come cheap. He is fairly valued at $5.5 MM AAV. I hope the Jets can find a way to re-sign him for a few more years and toss the overvalued Kulikov.

Personally, I like Trouba, but if he wants over $6.7 MM AAV then bye bye. Trade him for a strong left side defenseman and Jets are stronger than ever. Jake Muzzin, Alexander Elder contracts are up soon. Muzzin would be a good match as a stay at home match for a puck-moving Myers.

Appropriate subject for this time of year Pete, but I just posted this last night and wanted to get some feedback

Ideally, we don’t. I just don’t know if Roslovic is ready for a top center role under Scheifele.

My ideal lineup:
Petan-Scheifele-Wheeler
Perreault-Little-Ehlers
Connor-Roslovic-Laine
Copp-Lowry-Dano
Tanev
- Rexypoo

My son swears that Laine/Scheiffele/Ehlers was the best line in the history of hockey for about 20-25 games in 2016-17. Anyone else recall that? With that in mind:

Laine-Scheiffele-Ehlers
Connor-Roslovic-Wheeler
Perreault-Little/Petan-Petan/Little
Copp-Lowry-Tanev/Dano

Roslovic and Little can be swapped if need be or Petan and Roslovic and put Little on the wing. I want to see Roslovic at center and Petan feeding a scorer like Connor......
- liverpoolnhl

I don't mid that line-up . Connor and Roslovic have some magic together from AHL. Tanev is three times as good as Dano, so Dano's name doesn't belong there.

Connor - Scheifele - Wheeler
Laine -Roslovic - Little
Ehlers - Lowry - Perreault
Tanev - Copp - Dano/Petan

There are a lot of swappable pieces in this lineup. Playing Little on the wing allows the team to see where JR is as a centre. Little can take D-zone face-offs an JR swings out to the wing. Ehlers and Connor can be swapped when we need a different offensive look.

I'm not 100% sold that both Dano and Petan are with the team once the season starts. I think at least 1 gets traded or lost on waivers.A lot of things will depend on how some of the young guys like Veselainen, Suess, Lemieux and Appleton look. Usually Pomo wants people who will PK on the bottom 2 lines, especially the 4th.

Who is Ryan Lambert and who cares what he has to say ?

Appropriate subject for this time of year Pete, but I just posted this last night and wanted to get some feedback

Ideally, we don’t. I just don’t know if Roslovic is ready for a top center role under Scheifele.

My ideal lineup:
Petan-Scheifele-Wheeler
Perreault-Little-Ehlers
Connor-Roslovic-Laine
Copp-Lowry-Dano
Tanev
- Rexypoo

My son swears that Laine/Scheiffele/Ehlers was the best line in the history of hockey for about 20-25 games in 2016-17. Anyone else recall that? With that in mind:

Laine-Scheiffele-Ehlers
Connor-Roslovic-Wheeler
Perreault-Little/Petan-Petan/Little
Copp-Lowry-Tanev/Dano

Roslovic and Little can be swapped if need be or Petan and Roslovic and put Little on the wing. I want to see Roslovic at center and Petan feeding a scorer like Connor......
- liverpoolnhl

I like this line-up.

Firstly , Ryan Lampert never ever said the Jets should keep Myers over Blake Wheeler. He actually argued that we should try and keep Wheeler at all costs. I agree with trying to keep Wheeler so long as it's not some long-term contract at a ridiculous AAV even if Myers is the expense that needs to go.

However, he is also correct in saying that a player like Myers are very hard to find. Myers is extremely versatile, can put up the points, and plays big minutes. His numbers are actually quite good from a Corsi perspective as well, especially considering his pairing partners. Enstrom, Kulikov , Chariot, and Poolman were much worse. If paired with a guy like Morrissey then the sky is the limit. Guys like Myers don't come cheap. He is fairly valued at $5.5 MM AAV. I hope the Jets can find a way to re-sign him for a few more years and toss the overvalued Kulikov.

Personally, I like Trouba, but if he wants over $6.7 MM AAV then bye bye. Trade him for a strong left side defenseman and Jets are stronger than ever. Jake Muzzin, Alexander Elder contracts are up soon. Muzzin would be a good match as a stay at home match for a puck-moving Myers.
- jetsnation

Well stated

Who is Ryan Lambert and who cares what he has to say ?
- bennythehat

I don't know who he is either....

Connor - Scheifele - Wheeler
Laine -Roslovic - Little
Ehlers - Lowry - Perreault
Tanev - Copp - Dano/Petan

There are a lot of swappable pieces in this lineup. Playing Little on the wing allows the team to see where JR is as a centre. Little can take D-zone face-offs an JR swings out to the wing. Ehlers and Connor can be swapped when we need a different offensive look.

I'm not 100% sold that both Dano and Petan are with the team once the season starts. I think at least 1 gets traded or lost on waivers.A lot of things will depend on how some of the young guys like Veselainen, Suess, Lemieux and Appleton look. Usually Pomo wants people who will PK on the bottom 2 lines, especially the 4th.
- mcjags

Some good points Mcjags. It's amazing how people forget about one of the most important roster points regarding the ability to support the specialty teams. Its a definite weak spot for Petan and Dano although Petan can fill in on the PP when injuries arise. I wonder if Vesalainen is capable of filling any of those roles or it might be a longer wait than most expect.

As much as I love this team & will always support them, it wouldn’t shock me if they missed the playoffs this year.

Everyone is so focussed on the forward lines, however, the major issues with this team has always been their defensive game. We have a ton of cash tied up in our defense and they need to be more consistent. Giving Mason away was a huge mistake, his presence motivated Helly. It seemed when Mason was gone in the 2nd half of the season, Helly’s game slipped off. Yes, Mason was injured all the time, but the team recovers cap space when a player is on IR, which can be used for deadline acquisitions.

Addressing the forwards, the concern should be who out of all these skilled young guys will actually go to the net. We lost in the playoffs because we had absolutely no net front presence (deflections, rebounds, screens) except Stastny & Lowry. We rely way too much on clean shots going in. There was way too much ‘high & wide’ in the playoffs. The addition of a Petan, Appleton, Roslovic, etc., doesn’t help this at all. For all the Dano haters out there, at least he isn’t afraid to get dirty & go to the net, in my humble opinion the guy needs to be in the line-up.

My apologies for the life story lol

Cheers gents

I don't know who he is either....
- TheUltimateJet

...and I didn't either until Peter referenced his article.

As much as I love this team & will always support them, it wouldn’t shock me if they missed the playoffs this year.

Everyone is so focussed on the forward lines, however, the major issues with this team has always been their defensive game. We have a ton of cash tied up in our defense and they need to be more consistent. Giving Mason away was a huge mistake, his presence motivated Helly. It seemed when Mason was gone in the 2nd half of the season, Helly’s game slipped off. Yes, Mason was injured all the time, but the team recovers cap space when a player is on IR, which can be used for deadline acquisitions.

Addressing the forwards, the concern should be who out of all these skilled young guys will actually go to the net. We lost in the playoffs because we had absolutely no net front presence (deflections, rebounds, screens) except Stastny & Lowry. We rely way too much on clean shots going in. There was way too much ‘high & wide’ in the playoffs. The addition of a Petan, Appleton, Roslovic, etc., doesn’t help this at all. For all the Dano haters out there, at least he isn’t afraid to get dirty & go to the net, in my humble opinion the guy needs to be in the line-up.

My apologies for the life story lol

Cheers gents
- foxbat

I am not disagreeing with your overall message but I am not worried about giving Mason away. Keeping him would have been a luxury and although I believe he was brought in to add a fight for the #1 and motivate Helle, I think Helle motivated himself with focused summer training with a quality goalie coach. I think Helle's numbers have slipped a bit in all NHL stints that he has played in. HIs first year he came up like a firecracker and tailed off, so we have seen a tail off before. I am not worried as he has improved every year and took a giant leap last year. Mason stunk from the get go. I was actually very po'd that they signed Mason when apparently Jake Allen was supposedly to be signed.

I agree on the second point as well but let's not forget that Wpg blew a lot of energy on Nashville and ran into Fleury who helped Vegas get to the finals. Without Fleury, Vegas would have never got as far as they did.

I would be surprised if they miss the playoffs as this is a strong team and the young players will only get better with age and experience. Wpg will make the playoffs this coming year and they "will not" be a wild card team either.

I am not disagreeing with your overall message but I am not worried about giving Mason away. Keeping him would have been a luxury and although I believe he was brought in to add a fight for the #1 and motivate Helle, I think Helle motivated himself with focused summer training with a quality goalie coach. I think Helle's numbers have slipped a bit in all NHL stints that he has played in. HIs first year he came up like a firecracker and tailed off, so we have seen a tail off before. I am not worried as he has improved every year and took a giant leap last year. Mason stunk from the get go. I was actually very po'd that they signed Mason when apparently Jake Allen was supposedly to be signed.

I agree on the second point as well but let's not forget that Wpg blew a lot of energy on Nashville and ran into Fleury who helped Vegas get to the finals. Without Fleury, Vegas would have never got as far as they did.

I would be surprised if they miss the playoffs as this is a strong team and the young players will only get better with age and experience. Wpg will make the playoffs this coming year and they "will not" be a wild card team either.
- CharlieDog

I agree with Charlie. I also don't agree with Fox's last post . Helle made it on his own with hard work in the summer just like he is doing again this summer. He will be even better next year. I only worry about a major injury to him and what it might do to the Jets. If its major enough then I guess we go goalie shopping.

Jets have lots of guys who will get " dirty" . Perreault, Little, Lowry for sure. Tanev is always there as well. We have even thrown Buff in there on occasion. Statsny is one of the best at it. Shame to lose him. Jets will be fine though. Playoffs are ours unless its one of those insane injury-riddled seasons.

Peter Tessier: The Jets have problem,s but the right kind
There's too much doom and gloom around the Jets and keeping the team together. They are not here without knowing how to manage this situation, even with a few surprises.
- Peter.Tessier

I am not sure what is meant by the doom and gloom around the Jets and keeping the team together. Mind you, I am not on twitter so I have no idea what ppl (or fake accts) are saying on that medium. Don't care either.

But, my take is, big frickin deal Stats never signed. I commend Chevy for not making that deal although he made a head scratcher with Little's deal. But, we can't employ all the aging overvalued vets so time for a young gun to step up. Wpg tried to sign Stats before and he chose St. Louis over money once already so is anyone surprised? I am not.

On O'Reilly, Wpg tried to get him as well at one point but Colorado and Buffalo bit hard on that one as well. Those two are money players. Good at what they do, no doubt and will make their teams better but they are money first.

I am not gloomy and don't understand the doom and gloom thing but again, I am not a twitter junkie.

Love the lines liver

Firstly , Ryan Lampert never ever said the Jets should keep Myers over Blake Wheeler. He actually argued that we should try and keep Wheeler at all costs. I agree with trying to keep Wheeler so long as it's not some long-term contract at a ridiculous AAV even if Myers is the expense that needs to go.

However, he is also correct in saying that a player like Myers are very hard to find. Myers is extremely versatile, can put up the points, and plays big minutes. His numbers are actually quite good from a Corsi perspective as well, especially considering his pairing partners. Enstrom, Kulikov , Chariot, and Poolman were much worse. If paired with a guy like Morrissey then the sky is the limit. Guys like Myers don't come cheap. He is fairly valued at $5.5 MM AAV. I hope the Jets can find a way to re-sign him for a few more years and toss the overvalued Kulikov.

Personally, I like Trouba, but if he wants over $6.7 MM AAV then bye bye. Trade him for a strong left side defenseman and Jets are stronger than ever. Jake Muzzin, Alexander Elder contracts are up soon. Muzzin would be a good match as a stay at home match for a puck-moving Myers.
- jetsnation

I hate to keep going at it with you on this , I do. But Trouba is light years ahead of Myers. Trouba has more 5v5 points than supposed offencive Myers while playing in almost 30 less games! Trouba plays agains the other teams best while Myers is sheltered against the other teams bottom 6. Trouba is also the much better option on the pp but I honestly believe the Jets purposely kept him off just to try and keep his contract number down this summer. I have no problem paying our best D more than 6.7. He is not replaceable.

Pete, problem with Twitter is everyone wants to come across as “being in the minority” or “disagreeing with the masses” sadly most of the time they are NOT!! I guess they think it’s cooler to pretend to be so that’s why even if more Jets fans than not are 100% ok with Myers being moved or Petan making the team Twitter verse would rather highlight the minority who wants Myers over Trouba or Hendricks over Petan because it’s “cooler” to be against the norm.

Now, with that said I will give Rexy credit for being in the minority on his boy Dano, thats a fan club that’s in the minority.

Losing Stastny was a bummer but there could be some good to come from it. Chevy made it clear that he is not going to overpay for anyone - even someone of Statny's calibre. That is a brilliant move in laying the foundation for the other negotiations.

I also think the Jets improved overall this summer so far. Call it addition by subtraction. Bye to Mason, Hendy, Armia, De Leo and Stastny helps a lot with cap room and roster spots for their depth to come in and compete. If someone can come in and take off similarly to Connor we are in awesome shape. Sometimes you have to make room for stuff to grow.

I think doom and gloom is a fan phenomenon that comes from teams not making high profile acquisitions.

For the Jets an uneventful off-season is still moving forward due to the youth that are at the gym working out (yes that's you too Laine), getting smarter and still young enough to not have too many nagging career injuries.

Stasny was a good fit but his absence is not catastrophic. It creates opportunity for some very talented young pros like Roslovic, Petan and trickle down to Dano to be in the lineup, improve and prove their game. You are hearing it from me first... the second line center for the Jets, whoever that may be, will score more points than Stasny in 2018-2019. We can decide at the end of the season whether losing Pete Jr. was a loss or gain.

The situation is similar on defense. the depth replacing Enstrom is talented enough to recover his lost minutes. some go to morrisey/trouba, some to Poolman/Morrow/Chirot, some to Niku and Kulikov. It won't be the same, there will be gafs and angst but in the end our d will have taken a small step forward.

We will also see the best of Tyler Myers since his rookie season due to being a contract year and being one year of good health removed from serious injury that had limited him in years leading up to the surgeries. When the trade deadline rolls around Myers will be in a similar position to what Kevin Shattenkirk was in 2017. In huge demand and in with the team under pressure to move him.

Losing Stastny was a bummer but there could be some good to come from it. Chevy made it clear that he is not going to overpay for anyone - even someone of Statny's calibre. That is a brilliant move in laying the foundation for the other negotiations.

I also think the Jets improved overall this summer so far. Call it addition by subtraction. Bye to Mason, Hendy, Armia, De Leo and Stastny helps a lot with cap room and roster spots for their depth to come in and compete. If someone can come in and take off similarly to Connor we are in awesome shape. Sometimes you have to make room for stuff to grow.
- Muskwa

Great post - that's exactly how it is.

Losing Stastny was a bummer but there could be some good to come from it. Chevy made it clear that he is not going to overpay for anyone - even someone of Statny's calibre. That is a brilliant move in laying the foundation for the other negotiations.

I also think the Jets improved overall this summer so far. Call it addition by subtraction. Bye to Mason, Hendy, Armia, De Leo and Stastny helps a lot with cap room and roster spots for their depth to come in and compete. If someone can come in and take off similarly to Connor we are in awesome shape. Sometimes you have to make room for stuff to grow.
- Muskwa[/quote]

Yup, I will second or third this quote.

I think doom and gloom is a fan phenomenon that comes from teams not making high profile acquisitions.

For the Jets an uneventful off-season is still moving forward due to the youth that are at the gym working out (yes that's you too Laine), getting smarter and still young enough to not have too many nagging career injuries.

Stasny was a good fit but his absence is not catastrophic. It creates opportunity for some very talented young pros like Roslovic, Petan and trickle down to Dano to be in the lineup, improve and prove their game. You are hearing it from me first... the second line center for the Jets, whoever that may be, will score more points than Stasny in 2018-2019. We can decide at the end of the season whether losing Pete Jr. was a loss or gain.

The situation is similar on defense. the depth replacing Enstrom is talented enough to recover his lost minutes. some go to morrisey/trouba, some to Poolman/Morrow/Chirot, some to Niku and Kulikov. It won't be the same, there will be gafs and angst but in the end our d will have taken a small step forward.

We will also see the best of Tyler Myers since his rookie season due to being a contract year and being one year of good health removed from serious injury that had limited him in years leading up to the surgeries. When the trade deadline rolls around Myers will be in a similar position to what Kevin Shattenkirk was in 2017. In huge demand and in with the team under pressure to move him.
- 2.0

I totally agree with your points here and highlighted a few because I can't wait, let me say it again, I can't wait to check in at the end of the year and see if Stats or our second line center has more points. I think you are right but this is a great prediction to take a look at the end of the year.

We need some room for the D men to step in and step it up. There is a bit of room now to fight for your roster spot so I bet these guys will be working hard to crack the lineup and stay. BTW, Toby hasn't been signed yet, although there is lot more time but no team jumped out for that multi year or single year contract for Toby yet.

And thirdly, I hope we see a beast of a Myers this year as it is a contract year and he played 82 games and only missed one playoff game. I still say it was no brainer deal trading Bogosian for Myers. I read somewhere that Dahlen might end up on the second pairing with Bogo to give him room to grow and be sheltered a bit until he gets accustomed to the NHL. My only thought is, good luck with that Buffalo!