So is this the official year two of the rebuild ? Im just a little confused as to how much is exoected to change in 365 days that makes panarin want to sign here. This has nothing to do with nj so dont attack me for being a devils fan just curious and looking for some hockey talk. Obviously the rangers have been an attractive ufa destination forever but if this is for sure a rebuild season and more nhl players are to be moved out making the nhl squad weaker then whats getting him excited to sign here ? Money and location is that really it or that he 2-3 years if developed properly he will have some guys to play with ?
- Shampoo

He has been quoted as saying he wants to play in a "Big City", so that puts the NYR in play. Its a long way off and a lot can change from now until then, so its not even worth discussing now anyway

He has been quoted as saying he wants to play in a "Big City", so that puts the NYR in play. Its a long way off and a lot can change from now until then, so its not even worth discussing now anyway
- MiloslavHorava

That is a very fair response thank you. Im just thinking lots of teams are going to be interested as they always are can things really turn around that fast or is it banking on to many things to go the rangers way.

That is a very fair response thank you. Im just thinking lots of teams are going to be interested as they always are can things really turn around that fast or is it banking on to many things to go the rangers way.
- Shampoo

If he signed a 7 year deal with NYR by year two of that deal (2020-2021) NYR could easily be in playoff contention if not more

As a lifelone NY'er I have to agree with LJBoltsfan
The big market teams offer players chances to make ancillary income off the ice. The tax difference is not a loophole, nor are endorsement deals, there are pros and cons to every market (taxes, cost of living, endorsements, etc). Each market has its own.
What about all the years that Florida was an undesirable place to play because the fanbase wasn't there yet?

If Tampa sucked and was paying a bunch of guys more than other teams nobody would be complaining, its only now that they are competitive that people want to talk about it.

Nobody is complaining about the Panthers.... Texas and Vegas also have no personal income taxes. Pennsylvania has the 10th lowest tax rate (slighlty more than 3%), Tennessee is also extremely favorable.
- MiloslavHorava

Its such a made up issue. Its amazing to me how many people complain about it.

Its such a made up issue. Its amazing to me how many people complain about it.
- mdw7413

I'm surprised you haven't had your avatar stripped yet.

I'm surprised you haven't had your avatar stripped yet.
- JRR1285

Lol no "longer." He was never an option. If you think Tampa ever even considered moving Kucherov, you're on drugs.

Lol no "longer." He was never an option. If you think Tampa ever even considered moving Kucherov, you're on drugs.
- isles10289

Pains me to admit this, but I agree with you... an Islander fan
Same drugs the Isles fans were on when they thought JT would resign with them

It’s funny how a team gets a label (rebuild) slapped on them and everyone is supposed to just assume they’re going in toilet. Remind folks how quick things change in nhl. Colorado was a mess 2 seasons ago and went to playoffs. Vegas didn’t exist 2 seasons ago and went to finals. I urge people to read letter sent to fans. “Build next Stanley Cup contender” “bring in younger faster guys” “started last summer” this letter was sent out when Rangers were still only a few points out of a playoff spot. Kreider was out. Shatty was having issues with knee. Decision at deadline not to make a futile run at playoffs was made. Trading 3 players who were on expiring contracts and weren’t going to be on team this year. (Nash, Grabner, Holden) only 2 players traded that would’ve been here ( Miller and McD)and they were replaced with 2 other roster players. ( Namestikov and Spooner). McD was pretty much going to be traded anyway. So now, roster that we have isn’t terribly much worse than the one that was in the playoffs 2 seasons ago. Defense is arguably better. Big difference is that we have added more high end prospects to work into lineup. Should they decide to trade for some elite players or wait till next season, team is as good now or better than other “bubble teams”. Can only go up from here. Sorry Devil fans, you’re roster was 1/3 filled with over 30 players and your prospect pool isn’t looking that good. So NY will still be a place FAs prefer

It’s funny how a team gets a label (rebuild) slapped on them and everyone is supposed to just assume they’re going in toilet. Remind folks how quick things change in nhl. Colorado was a mess 2 seasons ago and went to playoffs. Vegas didn’t exist 2 seasons ago and went to finals. I urge people to read letter sent to fans. “Build next Stanley Cup contender” “bring in younger faster guys” “started last summer” this letter was sent out when Rangers were still only a few points out of a playoff spot. Kreider was out. Shatty was having issues with knee. Decision at deadline not to make a futile run at playoffs was made. Trading 3 players who were on expiring contracts and weren’t going to be on team this year. (Nash, Grabner, Holden) only 2 players traded that would’ve been here ( Miller and McD)and they were replaced with 2 other roster players. ( Namestikov and Spooner). McD was pretty much going to be traded anyway. So now, roster that we have isn’t terribly much worse than the one that was in the playoffs 2 seasons ago. Defense is arguably better. Big difference is that we have added more high end prospects to work into lineup. Should they decide to trade for some elite players or wait till next season, team is as good now or better than other “bubble teams”. Can only go up from here. Sorry Devil fans, you’re roster was 1/3 filled with over 30 players and your prospect pool isn’t looking that good. So NY will still be a place FAs prefer
- junaka3

Stop with the rational arguments. This board is for tanking.

Stop with the rational arguments. This board is for tanking.
- Fenrir

GIVE ME A (frank)ING TRADE GORTON FFS

What're we going to do with all of this cap space

What're we going to do with all of this cap space
- picklerick

Cut the price of tickets for a year?

What're we going to do with all of this cap space
- picklerick

Why rush tho?

If next year they don’t use it I can see being up in arms about it, but because they’re not trading for Karlsson I can’t go there yet. They weren’t getting Tavares and no one else was worth anything long term.

They’re in a true developmental/rebuild period, with players and the coach too actually, so I think that’s more important then anything right now. Evaluate players and by next year they’ll know what they’re looking at and it’s pretty likely they have a field day in free agency because all these other teams are taking themselves out of being able to sign guys. Next years crop of UFAs is utterly amazing. I don’t get the rush people are feeling about this. With Karlsson at best they’re at best a first rd exit next season. These other teams are loaded in the east

You can’t be like the Mets and just sign guys for the sake of it. They’ve spent upwards of 30 something million on complete garbage instead of spending it wisely.

If he signed a 7 year deal with NYR by year two of that deal (2020-2021) NYR could easily be in playoff contention if not more
- mrn22

You are putting a lot of faith in quite a few russian players who have never played an nhl game. Thats not to take away the hype of them they are all pretty high ceiling guys but what is going on in net if that russian kid doesnt live up to the hype in the nhl? Im not stating what i think will happen but posing the question of whats the back up plan? What else keeps you so sure of these things if a couple of them dont go how you see them going?

You are putting a lot of faith in quite a few russian players who have never played an nhl game. Thats not to take away the hype of them they are all pretty high ceiling guys but what is going on in net if that russian kid doesnt live up to the hype in the nhl? Im not stating what i think will happen but posing the question of whats the back up plan? What else keeps you so sure of these things if a couple of them dont go how you see them going?
- Shampoo

I think anytime you talk about prospects in a rebuild there is a risk. If the prospects work out, then you are well on your way to being a real competitive team. If they don't, then that's what makes for long periods of not making the playoffs. The picks only mean something if your scouts do there job of identifying the right guys.

As for the net, that, of course, is another question mark. The Rangers have picked a bunch of goalies over the years and just have to hope that they hit on one of them. The backup plan to the Russian kid? I think that was pretty evident when they drafted a goalie with the 39th overall pick with some guys that were potentially slated as first round picks still on the board.

It’s funny how a team gets a label (rebuild) slapped on them and everyone is supposed to just assume they’re going in toilet. Remind folks how quick things change in nhl. Colorado was a mess 2 seasons ago and went to playoffs. Vegas didn’t exist 2 seasons ago and went to finals. I urge people to read letter sent to fans. “Build next Stanley Cup contender” “bring in younger faster guys” “started last summer” this letter was sent out when Rangers were still only a few points out of a playoff spot. Kreider was out. Shatty was having issues with knee. Decision at deadline not to make a futile run at playoffs was made. Trading 3 players who were on expiring contracts and weren’t going to be on team this year. (Nash, Grabner, Holden) only 2 players traded that would’ve been here ( Miller and McD)and they were replaced with 2 other roster players. ( Namestikov and Spooner). McD was pretty much going to be traded anyway. So now, roster that we have isn’t terribly much worse than the one that was in the playoffs 2 seasons ago. Defense is arguably better. Big difference is that we have added more high end prospects to work into lineup. Should they decide to trade for some elite players or wait till next season, team is as good now or better than other “bubble teams”. Can only go up from here. Sorry Devil fans, you’re roster was 1/3 filled with over 30 players and your prospect pool isn’t looking that good. So NY will still be a place FAs prefer
- junaka3

I didnt come here to ruffle feathers but i am curious as to why you are so certain of a lot of these things ? Im not trying to bring the devils into this im trying to talk about youre team. I dont follow the rangers but we all know they are a rival of the team i do cheer for but i wouldnt say im very aware of the goings on in ranger land so i wanted to get some insight. I am havung a hard time understanding how the defense is better minus girardi (old news ) mcd and a rapidly aging staal. Who does the top six consist of ? You have to be banking on gut feelings here no ? You used colorado as being a team who has done a quick rebuild yet they havent consistantly made the play offs so i think they have gotten themselves on the right track a few times but also swayed off so i cant really say they successfully pulled a rebuild it two years they have been working on that a while now.

Pains me to admit this, but I agree with you... an Islander fan
Same drugs the Isles fans were on when they thought JT would resign with them
- MiloslavHorava

I didnt come here to ruffle feathers but i am curious as to why you are so certain of a lot of these things ? Im not trying to bring the devils into this im trying to talk about youre team. I dont follow the rangers but we all know they are a rival of the team i do cheer for but i wouldnt say im very aware of the goings on in ranger land so i wanted to get some insight. I am havung a hard time understanding how the defense is better minus girardi (old news ) mcd and a rapidly aging staal. Who does the top six consist of ? You have to be banking on gut feelings here no ? You used colorado as being a team who has done a quick rebuild yet they havent consistantly made the play offs so i think they have gotten themselves on the right track a few times but also swayed off so i cant really say they successfully pulled a rebuild it two years they have been working on that a while now.
- Shampoo

Also Colorado has mackinnon

I think anytime you talk about prospects in a rebuild there is a risk. If the prospects work out, then you are well on your way to being a real competitive team. If they don't, then that's what makes for long periods of not making the playoffs. The picks only mean something if your scouts do there job of identifying the right guys.

As for the net, that, of course, is another question mark. The Rangers have picked a bunch of goalies over the years and just have to hope that they hit on one of them. The backup plan to the Russian kid? I think that was pretty evident when they drafted a goalie with the 39th overall pick with some guys that were potentially slated as first round picks still on the board.
- Pete V

The goalie issue seems to be the trickiest for any team to figure out you can take guys in the first that never play or get an all star who went in the 7th round. As for the picks thats just it im trying to look at things from the persepctive that they all cant work out. I dont dislike these prospects they seem like the sexy types of picks so i like that but for any team to start a rebuild and say they will for sure be competing in 3 years is kind of hard to believe there is just so much that can go wrong and right dont get me wrong lol. I wish i only had to wait 3years for a turbln around but poop happens when you finally decide to head to down the road of transitioning youre team.

It’s funny how a team gets a label (rebuild) slapped on them and everyone is supposed to just assume they’re going in toilet. Remind folks how quick things change in nhl. Colorado was a mess 2 seasons ago and went to playoffs. Vegas didn’t exist 2 seasons ago and went to finals. I urge people to read letter sent to fans. “Build next Stanley Cup contender” “bring in younger faster guys” “started last summer” this letter was sent out when Rangers were still only a few points out of a playoff spot. Kreider was out. Shatty was having issues with knee. Decision at deadline not to make a futile run at playoffs was made. Trading 3 players who were on expiring contracts and weren’t going to be on team this year. (Nash, Grabner, Holden) only 2 players traded that would’ve been here ( Miller and McD)and they were replaced with 2 other roster players. ( Namestikov and Spooner). McD was pretty much going to be traded anyway. So now, roster that we have isn’t terribly much worse than the one that was in the playoffs 2 seasons ago. Defense is arguably better. Big difference is that we have added more high end prospects to work into lineup. Should they decide to trade for some elite players or wait till next season, team is as good now or better than other “bubble teams”. Can only go up from here. Sorry Devil fans, you’re roster was 1/3 filled with over 30 players and your prospect pool isn’t looking that good. So NY will still be a place FAs prefer
- junaka3

FINNALLY! The voice of reason suck it mr burton!

Not sure if anyone saw, MSG had a summer update program thing with Valliquette and Micheletti. From what he saw so far, Joe was raving about Hajek and Ronning. More so on Hajek, saying at worst he’s probably a top 4 guy. And he can move to the right side down the road

Why rush tho?

If next year they don’t use it I can see being up in arms about it, but because they’re not trading for Karlsson I can’t go there yet. They weren’t getting Tavares and no one else was worth anything long term.

They’re in a true developmental/rebuild period, with players and the coach too actually, so I think that’s more important then anything right now. Evaluate players and by next year they’ll know what they’re looking at and it’s pretty likely they have a field day in free agency because all these other teams are taking themselves out of being able to sign guys. Next years crop of UFAs is utterly amazing. I don’t get the rush people are feeling about this. With Karlsson at best they’re at best a first rd exit next season. These other teams are loaded in the east

You can’t be like the Mets and just sign guys for the sake of it. They’ve spent upwards of 30 something million on complete garbage instead of spending it wisely.
- Slimtj100

Not looking to load up on UFAs. I would imagine we have to fill some cap space to reach the floor even with signing Hayes, Skjei, and Vesey (assuming we are trading spooner still).

Different question. How many rookies to we ice to start the season?

Not sure if anyone saw, MSG had a summer update program thing with Valliquette and Micheletti. From what he saw so far, Joe was raving about Hajek and Ronning. More so on Hajek, saying at worst he’s probably a top 4 guy. And he can move to the right side down the road
- Slimtj100

link?