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smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jul 11 @ 1:15 PM ET
Definitely an oddly nothing offseason so far but I'm not actively upset at Ray.

Carlson signed before even hitting UFA. Tavares was never coming here. They were seemingly in on de Haan but at a certain point you can only do so much to try to convince a free agent to sign with you instead of one of the other 30 teams, and I'm glad he didn't give out some absurd contract. I have no doubt NJ offered a much richer contract than what Maroon signed in St Louis but clearly he wanted to go home, not much you can do there.

The reality is the Devils shouldn't trade the farm for a win-now move, the team isn't in win now mode. We're a year removed from being in pure 100% rebuild mode. They overachieved this past season. The philosophy on building the roster shouldn't be win-now to the point of parting with futures yet.


Obviously both the Grabner and Maroon trades didn't work out long run, but at the time I think they both made sense to try to get a team that overachieved into the playoffs for the first time in six years. I don't care what anyone says, that matters, even if it's just getting bounced in round one.

No GM bats 1000, I'm still very pleased with how Ray has done as the GM of the Devils thus far.

- MannySilvers



Quit being reasonable. Everything sucks.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 11 @ 1:16 PM ET
Letestu and the devils. Like Pb and j
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 11 @ 1:20 PM ET
What is Russell's contract?
- redmonsters


Somewhat unpleasant, but Jersey can afford it.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 11 @ 1:22 PM ET
No. The answer is no.
- smellmyfinger


Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jul 11 @ 1:24 PM ET
Definitely an oddly nothing offseason so far but I'm not actively upset at Ray.

Carlson signed before even hitting UFA. Tavares was never coming here. They were seemingly in on de Haan but at a certain point you can only do so much to try to convince a free agent to sign with you instead of one of the other 30 teams, and I'm glad he didn't give out some absurd contract. I have no doubt NJ offered a much richer contract than what Maroon signed in St Louis but clearly he wanted to go home, not much you can do there.

The reality is the Devils shouldn't trade the farm for a win-now move, the team isn't in win now mode. We're a year removed from being in pure 100% rebuild mode. They overachieved this past season. The philosophy on building the roster shouldn't be win-now to the point of parting with futures yet.

Obviously both the Grabner and Maroon trades didn't work out long run, but at the time I think they both made sense to try to get a team that overachieved into the playoffs for the first time in six years. I don't care what anyone says, that matters, even if it's just getting bounced in round one.

No GM bats 1000, I'm still very pleased with how Ray has done as the GM of the Devils thus far.

- MannySilvers

This is what really confuses me. How can you say we are 100% in full rebuild mold then go and say we needed to make moves to push for the playoffs. Why Ray was worrying about stuff he didnt do like the 3 previous missed seasons before he arrived. He should of been going solely off of his plan which was rebuild properly dont rush and build long term. Well he rushed and we made the play offs and the owners rewarded the fans with nothing from whatever extra revenue was generated. I would have 100% accepted a verbal commitment to making the play offs this year no actions where needed because i had assumed we wheree staying the course not tryint to force something we were not ready for. I think ppl put way to much stock into Taylor Hall not liking it here i very much doubt he dislikes his time here even if we never made it in this year. He just hit numbers he had never reached if i where him i wouldnt ve looking to change what worked first chance i get but thats just me.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 11 @ 1:26 PM ET
Somewhat unpleasant, but Jersey can afford it.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

- Wildschwein

nobody can afford Russell's contract because he'st he worst defenseman in the league.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jul 11 @ 1:30 PM ET
nobody can afford Russell's contract because he'st he worst defenseman in the league.
- Pomegrant


How dare you besmirch Lovejoy!
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 11 @ 1:38 PM ET
Per devils Instagram, ty Smith collected the 3v3 development camp cup
redmonsters
New Jersey Devils
Location: NY
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jul 11 @ 1:44 PM ET
nobody can afford Russell's contract because he'st he worst defenseman in the league.
- Pomegrant

It is ugly, but if we are rebuilding this is what we should be looking at. With either expansion or lockout coming this contract could disappear relatively quickly
archromat
Location: Moncton, NB
Joined: 01.16.2012

Jul 11 @ 1:47 PM ET
I like the team. They have 4 players over the age of 28 (not counting goalies) and they're expected to be worse because they lost a couple of trivial role players? I like Maroon, but there are a lot of players of Maroon's caliber out there.

Loss of a 2nd and a 3rd will only hurt in 3 years time. And how much it hurts depends on how Ray manages other assets.
Cmor11794
New Jersey Devils
Location: Short Hills, NJ
Joined: 01.07.2014

Jul 11 @ 2:09 PM ET
I hope I'm wrong, but at this point it seems that the team taking a step back this year as opposed to a step forward seems to be the much more likely scenario. Aside from Nico (and hopefully Wood), I'm not really sure where this young improvement everyone is banking on comes from. I cringe every time I look at the 2015 draft and see who was picked after Zacha, Butcher had about as good of a season as he could have had (fingers crossed he can stay at or around that level) and no one seems to be concerned that maybe, just maybe, Bratt had a flash in the pan first half.

Missing out on De Hann at the price he signed for was tough, its going to be a shooting gallery in front of a post hip-surgery Schneider, and they couldnt get themselves in the Duclair reclamation project conversation? Praying that Shero has something up his sleeve.
Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jul 11 @ 2:18 PM ET
I like the team. They have 4 players over the age of 28 (not counting goalies) and they're expected to be worse because they lost a couple of trivial role players? I like Maroon, but there are a lot of players of Maroon's caliber out there.

Loss of a 2nd and a 3rd will only hurt in 3 years time. And how much it hurts depends on how Ray manages other assets.

- archromat

Lol yes that is why they are supposed to be worse can you try justifying us being good ? Two of our best players could see drops in their sophmore seasons and even they dont you cant cant be certain right now. You take all the things we are certain of and we did get worse lol like in what situation do you take things away and some how have more ? How many cups has addittion by subtraction won. You cant just plug players into situations they have never been in and say you put him there and that replaces this or that it just doesnt work there isnt enough theree to replace what went out.WHERE DO THE NUMBERS MAGICALLY COME FROM AND HOW THE HELL DO THEY SOME HOW GET BETTER THIS YEAR LOL.
Devils314
New Jersey Devils
Location: NY
Joined: 08.16.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:19 PM ET
Only way this team is going to compete for a cup is by building through the draft we just have to trust the process... I know it sucks we made the playoffs so everyone expected big offseason moves but in reality the talent has to come from within the organization and if or when that happens then you go out and sign a couple of free agents to fill in the holes. Also there’s no reason to assume that the devils are going to take a step back they have a ton of young players if those players take another step forward so will the team
MannySilvers
New Jersey Devils
Location: ROCK LAND, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 11 @ 2:22 PM ET
This is what really confuses me. How can you say we are 100% in full rebuild mold then go and say we needed to make moves to push for the playoffs. Why Ray was worrying about stuff he didnt do like the 3 previous missed seasons before he arrived. He should of been going solely off of his plan which was rebuild properly dont rush and build long term. Well he rushed and we made the play offs and the owners rewarded the fans with nothing from whatever extra revenue was generated. I would have 100% accepted a verbal commitment to making the play offs this year no actions where needed because i had assumed we wheree staying the course not tryint to force something we were not ready for. I think ppl put way to much stock into Taylor Hall not liking it here i very much doubt he dislikes his time here even if we never made it in this year. He just hit numbers he had never reached if i where him i wouldnt ve looking to change what worked first chance i get but thats just me.
- Shampoo


Because there is a big difference in making moves in the offseason when you have no idea what the upcoming season could bring and making moves at the trade deadline when you're a month away from potentially your first playoff berth in six years.

I don't think anybody, Ray included, thought getting Grabner and Maroon at the deadline made the Devils Cup contenders, and if your assertion is: if you don't think you have a chance at winning the Cup what's the point of trading assets to try to just make the playoffs just to lose in round 1 or 2, I get that but I disagree with it based on where the Devils are as a franchise.

For the fanbase, for the organization, for Hall, for all the young players, for the guys like Zajac and Greene who have been around forever, for a young coach in Hynes, there's a big difference in having a good season but missing the playoffs by a couple points, and getting in for the first time in six years. There's value there. If you're a team like the Wild who has been middling but in the playoffs for years it's a different story.

But all of that said, it is true that the Devils are a year removed from 100% rebuild mode and that should be taken into consideration when it comes to making moves. Pretty much my point is that yes the Devils are still not contenders but considering the scenario they were in at the trade deadline with being in a surprise playoff spot, I think it made sense to make a few medium-risk-medium-reward moves to try to lock down the playoff spot.
Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jul 11 @ 2:26 PM ET
Only way this team is going to compete for a cup is by building through the draft we just have to trust the process... I know it sucks we made the playoffs so everyone expected big offseason moves but in reality the talent has to come from within the organization and if or when that happens then you go out and sign a couple of free agents to fill in the holes
- Devils314

I get that i mean not solely but a good base of it should come through the draft. When you say that its like you are dismising the fact that we went out of our way to try and make the play offs by trading assets for help. If this that was the belief why didnt we stay the course? We would have more to show for it today. If we never dealt for deadline accusitions then yeah no one should be upset the course never changed but when you show youre fan base you are actively trying to make the play offs by adding pieces for a push and then this off season happens then that is where its concerning. Like everything he did or didnt do after those deals kind of contradict his play off push no?
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jul 11 @ 2:28 PM ET
I get that i mean not solely but a good base of it should come through the draft. When you say that its like you are dismising the fact that we went out of our way to try and make the play offs by trading assets for help. If this that was the belief why didnt we stay the course? We would have more to show for it today. If we never dealt for deadline accusitions then yeah no one should be upset the course never changed but when you show youre fan base you are actively trying to make the play offs by adding pieces for a push and then this off season happens then that is where its concerning. Like everything he did or didnt do after those deals kind of contradict his play off push no?
- Shampoo

It was maybe a bit foolhardy but it's not like you gave up a ton of assets and, let's be honest here, a few playoff games worth of revenue are well worth the probable AHL level player you're getting with a 3rd round pick.
Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jul 11 @ 2:32 PM ET
Because there is a big difference in making moves in the offseason when you have no idea what the upcoming season could bring and making moves at the trade deadline when you're a month away from potentially your first playoff berth in six years.

I don't think anybody, Ray included, thought getting Grabner and Maroon at the deadline made the Devils Cup contenders, and if your assertion is: if you don't think you have a chance at winning the Cup what's the point of trading assets to try to just make the playoffs just to lose in round 1 or 2, I get that but I disagree with it based on where the Devils are as a franchise.

For the fanbase, for the organization, for Hall, for all the young players, for the guys like Zajac and Greene who have been around forever, for a young coach in Hynes, there's a big difference in having a good season but missing the playoffs by a couple points, and getting in for the first time in six years. There's value there. If you're a team like the Wild who has been middling but in the playoffs for years it's a different story.

But all of that said, it is true that the Devils are a year removed from 100% rebuild mode and that should be taken into consideration when it comes to making moves. Pretty much my point is that yes the Devils are still not contenders but considering the scenario they were in at the trade deadline with being in a surprise playoff spot, I think it made sense to make a few medium-risk-medium-reward moves to try to lock down the playoff spot.

- MannySilvers

See i get what you are saying i just think ray contradicted himself a little. Paragraph three is about building a winning culture but then we dont even sign any one to even fight for rosters spots at this point they will be handed out with little comoetition ( other then between other non nhl players ) how does that build a winner or a winning tradition. So you throw away a few assets to try and make the play offs to build that winning tradition thays fine but dont let everyone leave and bring in no one.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jul 11 @ 2:33 PM ET
Patches from Montreal would probably be a good fit for secondary scoring. Do you have the assets to make the deal? Probably is my guess.
Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jul 11 @ 2:36 PM ET
It was maybe a bit foolhardy but it's not like you gave up a ton of assets and, let's be honest here, a few playoff games worth of revenue are well worth the probable AHL level player you're getting with a 3rd round pick.
- BINGO!

You are probably right but you can also likely find more value in that 3rd pick by using it other then to select a third round player. The two games of play off revenue im sure was great but my thinking was it could of been more of a sure thing we would see more play off games this year not hey lets try and get as many play off games this year and (frank) next year thats the mentality of a team with a closing window not one trying to open it up long term. What are the devils options now ? Ive heard a trade but we have dished out a lot of assets recently and didnt get a lot back for them so how is making a trade easier then if we had more non roster assets to move ?
Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jul 11 @ 2:40 PM ET
Maybe its not the worst thing but im thinking this years team will have a lot more fringe nhlers on it then last years and that doesnt excite me.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Jul 11 @ 2:42 PM ET
After signing Kucherov to that big extension, I think we could take Johnson and Killorn for peanuts, if we took Callahans 2 year at 5.8M. Next season, without Karlson's contract, the bolts have 13M to sign 11 ufa/rfa's including Point, Stralman, Gourde, and Coburn. Something needs to take some cap off their hands and the inactive Devils are full of cap space and in need of a couple 20 goal scoring wingers. Also, Nick Shore is a UFA who I feel could be helpful to the devs. He lit the AHL over one ppg, and was given minimal ice time when called to the NHL these past couple seasons. At 25, hes got the hands and the speed, and likely very cheap contract offer will suffice.
Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jul 11 @ 2:46 PM ET
After signing Kucherov to that big extension, I think we could take Johnson and Killorn for peanuts, if we took Callahans 2 year at 5.8M. Next season, without Karlson's contract, the bolts have 13M to sign 11 ufa/rfa's including Point, Stralman, Gourde, and Coburn. Something needs to take some cap off their hands and the inactive Devils are full of cap space and in need of a couple 20 goal scoring wingers. Also, Nick Shore is a UFA who I feel could be helpful to the devs. He lit the AHL over one ppg, and was given minimal ice time when called to the NHL these past couple seasons. At 25, hes got the hands and the speed, and likely very cheap contract offer will suffice.
- bikeguy99

I like this. Even if shore prince or whoever suck they are going to be cheap and provide competition for younger players. We have cap space as an asset but are the owners preventing us from spending ?
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 11 @ 2:58 PM ET
Shero said they offered maroon more $$ but he wanted to go home and were in on JVR but he decided to sign with the flyers

Interesting that he said they weren't in on dehaan

Can't get them all
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 11 @ 2:59 PM ET
Shero said they offered maroon more $$ but he wanted to go home and were in on JVR but he decided to sign with the flyers

Interesting that he said they weren't in on dehaan

Can't get them all

- dmarsden2988

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but if don't sign a player that means you didn't try to and just want the team to wither away.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jul 11 @ 3:09 PM ET
Todd Cordell: The New Jersey Devils need to add more secondary scoring
- Todd.Cordell

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