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Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:00 PM ET
Per Elliot Friedman:

Yotes/CHI working out at deal to take on Hossa's contract. Believe Hinistroza is part of the deal.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:03 PM ET
I told my counsellor that I had a problem and was addicted to brake fluid. I also told her it wouldn't be a problem and that I could stop at any time.
- Codes1087

You don't need a parachute to go skydiving...you need a parachute to go skydiving twice.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jul 12 @ 2:04 PM ET
Per Elliot Friedman:

Yotes/CHI working out at deal to take on Hossa's contract. Believe Hinistroza is part of the deal.

- Codes1087

But according to Benning nobody is paying to dump contracts
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Jul 12 @ 2:05 PM ET
You don't need a parachute to go skydiving...you need a parachute to go skydiving twice.
- LordHumungous



Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:06 PM ET
You don't need a parachute to go skydiving...you need a parachute to go skydiving twice.
- LordHumungous


why are pirates unable to finish the alphabet? It's because they get lost at C
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:08 PM ET
But according to Benning nobody is paying to dump contracts
- Retinalz


Hossa's contract is probably the worst out of all the current ones available. If Hinistroza is the main piece which gets the deal done, than I will be glad Benning wasn't involved in it. It would take a ton more than just a player to get that deal done, I would imagine anyway.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Jul 12 @ 2:09 PM ET
But according to Benning nobody is paying to dump contracts
- Retinalz


The place where people come to mock Ek on his rumours... and also give credit to every rumour on they hear about the Canucks.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:14 PM ET
Hossa's contract is probably the worst out of all the current ones available. If Hinistroza is the main piece which gets the deal done, than I will be glad Benning wasn't involved in it. It would take a ton more than just a player to get that deal done, I would imagine anyway.
- Codes1087

Agreed, taking a bad contract to appease the fans is moronic. If we aren’t getting a high pick or prospect back then screw it. Save the cap and opportunities may come up during the season
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:17 PM ET
Agreed, taking a bad contract to appease the fans is moronic. If we aren’t getting a high pick or prospect back then screw it. Save the cap and opportunities may come up during the season
- CanuckDon


the good absolutely has to outweigh the bad when it comes to those contract for asset deals. The team trying to get rid of the contract, by all accounts, she come out "worse" of the deal, as they are needing to give up something big to lose something big. I am sure Benning has tested the waters on bad contracts that are out there, but I don't think he is going to take a long term contract if the price isn't worth the contract.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 12 @ 2:17 PM ET
Hossa's contract is probably the worst out of all the current ones available. If Hinistroza is the main piece which gets the deal done, than I will be glad Benning wasn't involved in it. It would take a ton more than just a player to get that deal done, I would imagine anyway.
- Codes1087

I still don't understand why the Hawks are willing to give up assets to move that contract. He won't count against the cap during the season since he'll be LTIR'd. And teams can be over the cap by 10% during the off-season so having his cap hit count during every summer isn't crippling either.


CapFriendly:
“Can LTIR be used in the off-season?”

“Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.”

“At the start of the season the teams LTIR relief & ACSL is recalculated when the 10% cushion is removed.”




So yeah, I'd take Hossa's contract if the Hawks gave us a pick or decent young player. I wouldn't be demanding a 1st or a bluechip prospect.


You guys are acting like Hossa is back playing, he unofficially retired like Pronger did. Zero chance he'd ever count against the cap during the season.

Seems like the most annoying this is having his contract count against the contract limit.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 12 @ 2:22 PM ET
It’s been two hours, isn’t it time to change the avatar?
- bloatedmosquito

It's a work in progress
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:22 PM ET
I still don't understand why the Hawks are willing to give up assets to move that contract. He won't count against the cap during the season since he'll be LTIR'd. And teams can be over the cap by 10% during the off-season so having his cap hit count during every summer isn't crippling either.


CapFriendly:




So yeah, I'd take Hossa's contract if the Hawks gave us a pick or decent young player. I wouldn't be demanding a 1st or a bluechip prospect.


You guys are acting like Hossa is back playing, he unofficially retired like Pronger did. Zero chance he'd ever count against the cap during the season.

Seems like the most annoying this is having his contract count against the contract limit.

- Nucker101


normal cap space>ltir cap space

they want it gone before the season. if you are utilizing ltir space at the end of the season, performance bonuses get kicked into next year. leafs got hit. hawks also got hit with a $1.2M penalty; and can get dinged next year again.

also easier to accumulate cap space for the tdl if you're not using ltir.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 12 @ 2:25 PM ET
normal cap space>ltir cap space

they want it gone before the season. if you are utilizing ltir space at the end of the season, performance bonuses get kicked into next year. leafs got hit. hawks also got hit with a $1.2M penalty; and can get dinged next year again.

also easier to accumulate cap space for at the tdl if you're not using ltir.

- Tumbleweed


He has 3 years left on his deal. If the Canucks are planning on being in cap hell or buyers at the TDL then we have bigger problems here. It might sting a bit during the last year but it shouldn’t matter much to the Canucks for the year and next.

Canucks shouldn’t be deferring bonuses anyway. Not until the team is good again. Don’t you only get hit with penalties if you’re at the cap ceiling?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:26 PM ET
He has 3 years left on his deal. If the Canucks are planning on being in cap hell or buyers at the TDL then we have bigger problems here.

Canucks shouldn’t be deferring bonuses anyway. Not until the team is good again.

- Nucker101


yeah, good deal for the nucks to pick up.

but chayka>benning
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:28 PM ET
yeah, good deal for the nucks to pick up.

but chayka>benning

- Tumbleweed


hard to call it a good deal when nothing has been finalized and we have no idea what the return is. Come on weedy, you're better than this
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:29 PM ET
I still don't understand why the Hawks are willing to give up assets to move that contract. He won't count against the cap during the season since he'll be LTIR'd. And teams can be over the cap by 10% during the off-season so having his cap hit count during every summer isn't crippling either.


CapFriendly:




So yeah, I'd take Hossa's contract if the Hawks gave us a pick or decent young player. I wouldn't be demanding a 1st or a bluechip prospect.


You guys are acting like Hossa is back playing, he unofficially retired like Pronger did. Zero chance he'd ever count against the cap during the season.

Seems like the most annoying this is having his contract count against the contract limit.

- Nucker101


I think the issue is not being over the cap during the offseason but that you need to be cap compliant by beginning of season and cannot place a player on LTIR until after that point. So it means that the Blackhawks cannot use that extra cap space until the season starts, which at that time there is no free agents available that are worth spending money on.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 12 @ 2:31 PM ET
hard to call it a good deal when nothing has been finalized and we have no idea what the return is. Come on weedy, you're better than this
- Codes1087


Outside of the Stepan deal and the Hayton pick, I like what Chayka has done since taking over.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 12 @ 2:32 PM ET
I think the issue is not being over the cap during the offseason but that you need to be cap compliant by beginning of season and cannot place a player on LTIR until after that point. So it means that the Blackhawks cannot use that extra cap space until the season starts, which at that time there is no free agents available that are worth spending money on.
- belcherbd


But if you can go over the cap by 10% during the off-season, can’t you sign a UFA for 5M and then LTIR Hossa during the first offficial “season day”?

I get that Hossa impairs your ability to go over the cap by much during the off season since his cap hit takes a good chunk of the 10% up, but how many teams actually go over the cap by more than 5% during the summer?
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:33 PM ET
Outside of the Stepan deal and the Hayton pick, I like what Chayka has done since taking over.
- Nucker101


I don't disagree. He fleeced MTL and fleeced Florida on recent trades. I am just saying, can't rip on Benning for not being apart of a deal that hasn't even been finalized yet. We have little to no details.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 12 @ 2:36 PM ET
I don't disagree. He fleeced MTL and fleeced Florida on recent trades. I am just saying, can't rip on Benning for not being apart of a deal that hasn't even been finalized yet. We have little to no details.
- Codes1087


Agreed.


Even in the Stepan deal, it’s not so bad if Raanta establishes himself as a true #1 G and Stepan gives them a few years of solid 2LC production. I find it funny that Chayka gets heat, he’s one of the “newer” GM’s in the league, he’s been on the job for like 2 years and hasn’t made any moves that were really laughed at. Outside of the Hayton pick.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:38 PM ET
normal cap space>ltir cap space

they want it gone before the season. if you are utilizing ltir space at the end of the season, performance bonuses get kicked into next year. leafs got hit. hawks also got hit with a $1.2M penalty; and can get dinged next year again.

also easier to accumulate cap space for the tdl if you're not using ltir.

- Tumbleweed


Nice avatar, what was the bet that you lost?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:41 PM ET
hard to call it a good deal when nothing has been finalized and we have no idea what the return is. Come on weedy, you're better than this
- Codes1087


Yotes are getting a free assest for using cap space they don't need. No risk to them.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:41 PM ET
But if you can go over the cap by 10% during the off-season, can’t you sign a UFA for 5M and then LTIR Hossa during the first offficial “season day”?

I get that Hossa impairs your ability to go over the cap by much during the off season since his cap hit takes a good chunk of the 10% up, but how many teams actually go over the cap by more than 5% during the summer?

- Nucker101


I could be wrong but I think it is set up so you can't use one to offset the other.

Being 10% over the cap allows teams some flexibility to move players around but I believe the rule is they must first be compliant before being able to put a player on LTIR.

In other words the deadline to be able to be over by 10% is before the point you can put players on LTIR.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jul 12 @ 2:42 PM ET
I don't disagree. He fleeced MTL and fleeced Florida on recent trades. I am just saying, can't rip on Benning for not being apart of a deal that hasn't even been finalized yet. We have little to no details.
- Codes1087


You stats guys sure defend each other. I am not sure that Montreal got fleeced. Galchenyuk is over-rated.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 12 @ 2:42 PM ET
Nice avatar, what was the bet that you lost?
- Pres.cup


I bet a sens fan that stone would sign an offer sheet.


I know, i was suprised that i was wrong too.
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