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Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jul 15 @ 4:10 PM ET
Ryan Wilson: Average cost for bottom pairing defensemen Average cost for bottom pairing defensemen
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Jul 15 @ 4:14 PM ET
Forbort is 1st pairing with Doughty. Just saying.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 15 @ 4:14 PM ET
I don't have an issue with Jamie's hit, since like Cole he showed he can slot up into the mid pairing without completely collapsing at times. But 3 mil for a guy whose ceiling looks to be the press box is the issue.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 15 @ 4:17 PM ET
Jack Johnson isn’t going to be playing bottom pairing minutes so your entire blog is kind of (frank)ed.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jul 15 @ 4:17 PM ET
Provorov bottom pairing ? Sure why not
Wolfpack5
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: Burlington, NC
Joined: 07.07.2012

Jul 15 @ 4:22 PM ET
Pesce and TVR are the Canes 5th and 6th highest paid dmen, but Fleury(assuming Bean/Carrick don’t win the spot) will most likely play on the bottom pairing with his ELC. Since he’s a lefty. Especially if Faulk is traded, if not I’d imagine Pesce would be the only lock with Fleury/Bean/Carrick fighting for the left side and TVR being the 7th. If they’re going to play him on his offside the 6/7th dman spot would also include Mckeown. Kind of unreal how deep this blue line goes. When I lay it out there like this. I’ll ignore Fox since he’s going back to college although I think he’s easily on equal footing with Bean after development camp.
hardnosed
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.23.2008

Jul 15 @ 4:28 PM ET
Werenski bottom pair?
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 15 @ 4:31 PM ET
Forbort is 1st pairing with Doughty. Just saying.
- KINGS67



Looks like the stats he used just took a team's 5th and 6th cheapest options...
hardnosed
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.23.2008

Jul 15 @ 4:36 PM ET
Which in no way equates to a third pair.

Bombulie addressed a simillar theme without having to skew the stats:

With teams still negotiating contracts with their restricted free agents and otherwise filling out the bottom spots on their depth charts, it’s difficult to say where the Penguins will rank in defense spending next season. Safe to say it will be near the top of the NHL. Their average of $3.85 million per defenseman would have topped the league last year.

In one sense, that’s a problem. The Penguins gave up 3.02 goals per game last season, which ranked 20th in the league. It would be reasonable to expect better results from a group paid so well.


https://triblive.com/spor...among-nhls-most-expensive

It's an expensive D corps. They need to play like it.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 15 @ 4:38 PM ET
Ryan Wilson: Average cost for bottom pairing defensemen
Average cost for bottom pairing defensemen

- Ryan_Wilson

throw some prospects for mccabe


corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jul 15 @ 4:47 PM ET
Provov and ZW from colombus as 5/6 defensemen? Salary/cap hit doesnt equate where one is slotted on a team
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jul 15 @ 5:05 PM ET
Let’s use numbers (objective) to try to prove a preconceived opinion (subjective). I’d be fascinated to read blogs that somehow made sports stats into some type of double blind study. Don’t even have a clue what that would look like. But a very good blog to highlight the inherent problem with the stats...not the numbers themselves but those that write about them
Conse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rio de Janeiro
Joined: 11.27.2013

Jul 15 @ 5:27 PM ET
Yeah, some of those are not bottom pairing D.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 5:34 PM ET
This was a ridiculous and poorly thought out premise. Some of those players are on EL deals and certainly aren't 3rd pair defenseman for their team.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 15 @ 5:41 PM ET
At the same time if they all made 4 million they’d be a bunch of #4s which would be decidedly average

Pay does not equal play when so many elite players are on ELCs and Bridge deals

It works against you even more when you try to assess a group using a pay formula
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jul 15 @ 6:05 PM ET
Is this another crack at Johnson?

Someone call the vet - Not the old hockey player, but the animal doctor.......
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 15 @ 6:05 PM ET
I'm still waiting for Wilson to release the name of the guy who was available who signed for less who could come and play in our system

I don't mind Johnson in our bottom 6, I think he's overpaid by at least 750k

Penguins don't have any NHL ready defenseman on ELC's. It was going to be a FA either way and FA's always cost extra

It aint much of a list

https://www.spotrac.com/n...ee-agents/defenseman/ufa/
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Jul 15 @ 7:03 PM ET
Assuming every team's 5th and 6th highest paid defenseman are their bottom pairing guys in order to prove a point is a little ridiculous.

Really all this proves is teams without guys on their first or second contracts have to spend a lot more on defense.
Newgod77
Boston Bruins
Location: IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Jul 15 @ 7:26 PM ET
Matt cane is a horrible source for anything.
hardnosed
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.23.2008

Jul 15 @ 7:31 PM ET

Really all this proves is teams without guys on their first or second contracts have to spend a lot more on defense.

- Antilles


Until those guys (for the Penguins Dumo, Maatta, Schultz over the past few years) play well and get raises.
PittsPens
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Westernport, MD
Joined: 01.06.2012

Jul 15 @ 9:21 PM ET
On an unrelated and note. R.I.P. Ray Emery. Tragic. I remember when he beat the crap of Marty Biron and got 22 penalty minutes in that game.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 15 @ 10:06 PM ET
Is this another crack at Johnson?

Someone call the vet - Not the old hockey player, but the animal doctor.......

- Aussiepenguin

Looks this way I'm fine with #73 in our lineup.
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Jul 15 @ 10:42 PM ET
The fixation on cost, without considering performance, is weird.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 15 @ 11:27 PM ET
The fixation on cost, without considering performance, is weird.
- Blackstrom2

Don't get it started again. Zillion charts will come up to prove Jack Johnson is the worst D-man in the league.
HonkyTonkMan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Home to ruined prospects and overpaid slugs', AB
Joined: 06.10.2015

Jul 16 @ 1:12 AM ET
This study is awful.🤮
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