Peter Tessier: Catching up- Jets Edition

Lot's of folks getting their sh_t in a knot about the Trouba signing ... am I missing something when I think this is a good deal for the Jets ? ... 1 yr, $5.5M and still an RFA next summer ... what's the big deal ? ... my guess is that his agent wouldn't pull the trigger on what is rumoured to have been a 6 yr offer
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Nice to keep Tanev around for 4th line
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Jets are now joining the stage of management when tough decisions have to be made - what seems to be common amongst more elite teams ... as you pointed out

As for me, I'm not panicking at all. The young Jets are getting older and more experienced. Each year they get to know the system better and better and working together as a team. The major reason for the success of the Blackhawks was just that.

Yes, we are definitely going to lose some talent here or there but hopefully, it will get replaced by new talent.We have now rid ourselves of liabilities such as Enstrom and Mason. Over the next two years we might lose Little or Perreault, maybe one of Trouba or Myers and they then get replaced by rising stars like Roslovic and Vesalainen, and Niku and Poolman. Maybe Appleton or Petan will step up as well. Who knows if/when Stanley will make the cut.

If I had any worries it might be further down the line in about 5 years. There seems to be a pool of prospects that are near ready right now but I'm not so sure of the pool the Jets have further down the road. We have been giving up some key draft picks this last draft and next draft which may likely lead to a rebuilding stage in about 5 years which is around the same time that many key contracts all begin to expire.

I'm cool with where the Jets are at. Chevy took a team with no talent, built through the draft and develop and now has a contender. I, like every other armchair GM questioned some of his moves (or non-moves) but he has a team that is a legitimate threat now and for the next few years.

Chevy has proven he can build a roster. The unknown, and perhaps uneasiness of some is that we haven't seen him manage a roster/cap. The only evidence is the contracts he has handed out. Some look like steals (Scheif) and other not so much (Buff, Little). He has played hardball when he needed to and stepped up when he needed to. I'm confident in him going forward. I have no idea how he's going to do it and it's going to be fun giving our advice/opinions but in the end he will get it done.

As for me, I'm not panicking at all. The young Jets are getting older and more experienced. Each year they get to know the system better and better and working together as a team. The major reason for the success of the Blackhawks was just that.

Yes, we are definitely going to lose some talent here or there but hopefully, it will get replaced by new talent.We have now rid ourselves of liabilities such as Enstrom and Mason. Over the next two years we might lose Little or Perreault, maybe one of Trouba or Myers and they then get replaced by rising stars like Roslovic and Vesalainen, and Niku and Poolman. Maybe Appleton or Petan will step up as well. Who knows if/when Stanley will make the cut.

If I had any worries it might be further down the line in about 5 years. There seems to be a pool of prospects that are near ready right now but I'm not so sure of the pool the Jets have further down the road. We have been giving up some key draft picks this last draft and next draft which may likely lead to a rebuilding stage in about 5 years which is around the same time that many key contracts all begin to expire.
- jetsnation

I agree but we do not have a single decent RH defenceman in the system so definitely a need there for our prospect cupboard

As for me, I'm not panicking at all. The young Jets are getting older and more experienced. Each year they get to know the system better and better and working together as a team. The major reason for the success of the Blackhawks was just that.

Yes, we are definitely going to lose some talent here or there but hopefully, it will get replaced by new talent.We have now rid ourselves of liabilities such as Enstrom and Mason. Over the next two years we might lose Little or Perreault, maybe one of Trouba or Myers and they then get replaced by rising stars like Roslovic and Vesalainen, and Niku and Poolman. Maybe Appleton or Petan will step up as well. Who knows if/when Stanley will make the cut.

If I had any worries it might be further down the line in about 5 years. There seems to be a pool of prospects that are near ready right now but I'm not so sure of the pool the Jets have further down the road. We have been giving up some key draft picks this last draft and next draft which may likely lead to a rebuilding stage in about 5 years which is around the same time that many key contracts all begin to expire.
- jetsnation

I think we will eventually lose Trouba. With Overcharge, there is a chess game going on with Chevy. Eventually Chevy will run out of moves and they will be in the same situation a year from now, at which a repeat will end in a one year deal and UFA status. Chevy will not let that scenario happen and it appears he is not willing to pay Overcharges price for Trouba and did not pay the price for Frolik years ago so I think it is only a matter of time that Trouba is moved. UFA status is Overcharges goal, imop, so the impending trade is a question of when.

I think we will eventually lose Trouba. With Overcharge, there is a chess game going on with Chevy. Eventually Chevy will run out of moves and they will be in the same situation a year from now, at which a repeat will end in a one year deal and UFA status. Chevy will not let that scenario happen and it appears he is not willing to pay Overcharges price for Trouba and did not pay the price for Frolik years ago so I think it is only a matter of time that Trouba is moved. UFA status is Overcharges goal, imop, so the impending trade is a question of when.
- CharlieDog

sadly, very sadly I agree this will end in a trade. more than likely one of if you ask me;

NYI
NYR
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why haven't we heard the jets accept Trouba's contract yet

Looks like Poolman signed for 3 years and Dano for 1 year.

I would think 2018-19 would be the last chance for this iteration of the lineup. Wheeler is UFA at the end of the Year, Laine and Connor are RFA and then Trouba again.

If we see the Jets sign Morrissey long term, then you might as well face the facts that you'll need to replace your Trouba sweater next Summer. Trouba's value will not be any higher than it is right now but I still think he plays the whole season in Winnipeg and then is dealt at or around the draft next Summer. You'd have to look at a young RHD on an entry level and draft picks as the return.

I also think that if the team is resigned to the fact that they'll be without Trouba within two years, they'll try to extend Myers.

Looks like Poolman signed for 3 years and Dano for 1 year.
- CharlieDog

Yeah. I think Jets got a pretty great deal with Poolman at only $775k. I was thinking at least $1 MM for a guy who is definitely an NHL calibre defenseman. Some decent cap space saved down the road here.

Dano. Who cares. Just a borderline depth guy. Dime a dozen, but at least he is familiar with the system so worth resigning for the bare minimum.

It could be worse, we're paying our #1C about 4 mil under market value.

Ideally I'd like to see Chevy plan for the future, and move out assets before he's forced to. How much they get for their assets will determine how long this lasts.

I really meant what I commented on - "is the Trouba 1 year signing bad for the Jets ?"
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I want to understand if there is downside to the 1 year signing regarding this player and his agent - is there ? ... the only downside I can see is that we didn't lock up - long term - a player we may want to keep ... that's it
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Anyone can add to this ?

I really meant what I commented on - "is the Trouba 1 year signing bad for the Jets ?"
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I want to understand if there is downside to the 1 year signing regarding this player and his agent - is there ? ... the only downside I can see is that we didn't lock up - long term - a player we may want to keep ... that's it
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Anyone can add to this ?
- CorydonKeith

The downside is for Trouba. If he gets a serious injury this year it could be nobody signs him long term and he's out 30 million in lifetime earnings because of bad advice from a greedy agent.

Muskwa - I've lived through losing a team already ... I tend to side with management these days ... and they seem to be doing a bang-up job
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PREDICTION: in 2 yrs time, the Scheifs contract will be regarded as the signing of the century !
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But my question remains - how is Trouba 1 yr contract bad for Jets ?

Perhaps "bad" is the wrong word...disappointing may be more on point.

It's a disappointing signing because most people wanted Troubs to sign long term and give us a discount because we drafted him.

This signing worries most that he'll do this one more time and then bolt...forcing Chevy to trade him...and if he does go the arbitration route again...Chevy will not be dealing from a position of power because every GM is watching this closely.

Muskwa - I've lived through losing a team already ... I tend to side with management these days ... and they seem to be doing a bang-up job
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PREDICTION: in 2 yrs time, the Scheifs contract will be regarded as the signing of the century !
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But my question remains - how is Trouba 1 yr contract bad for Jets ?
- CorydonKeith

Mackinnon is also on one hell of a deal

Perhaps "bad" is the wrong word...disappointing may be more on point.

It's a disappointing signing because most people wanted Troubs to sign long term and give us a discount because we drafted him.

This signing worries most that he'll do this one more time and then bolt...forcing Chevy to trade him...and if he does go the arbitration route again...Chevy will not be dealing from a position of power because every GM is watching this closely.
- PrairieFire

If he doesn't sign a long term extension later this season he will be moved in the off-season, likely at the 2019 draft.

Jets have the right to sign him for 2019-20 year as RFA. They would then be in a position of trading him mid-season while trying to make another cup run, or, lose him as UFA in 2020 with no return except the cap space.

Yeah. I think Jets got a pretty great deal with Poolman at only $775k. I was thinking at least $1 MM for a guy who is definitely an NHL calibre defenseman. Some decent cap space saved down the road here.

Dano. Who cares. Just a borderline depth guy. Dime a dozen, but at least he is familiar with the system so worth resigning for the bare minimum.
- jetsnation

Agreed. Who knows, maybe Meyers and Trouba are both shipped. Poolman could be seeing some actual TOI. Niku as well and I am looking forward to seeing what they can do. Is Kulikov really untradable with that contract? I thought he looked decent, and 4M isn't insane if he is capable of being a #4 D

Just curious, once Morrissey is signed do any of you guys think we reach out to bring a vet forward in to round out the roster ala Hendricks last season? Losing Stastny Hendricks and even Armia up front saw a lot of experience walk out the door. And unless we want a couple of prospects sitting in the press box every night it may be wise to add another vet to the room. If Roslo ends up between 27 and 29 I would love to see a PTO or low value contract thrown at someone like Versteeg or Hartnell to play with Little and Perreault

Just curious, once Morrissey is signed do any of you guys think we reach out to bring a vet forward in to round out the roster ala Hendricks last season? Losing Stastny Hendricks and even Armia up front saw a lot of experience walk out the door. And unless we want a couple of prospects sitting in the press box every night it may be wise to add another vet to the room. If Roslo ends up between 27 and 29 I would love to see a PTO or low value contract thrown at someone like Versteeg or Hartnell to play with Little and Perreault
- Finnisher29

The Jets were having a strong regular season without Stasny, we can survive without him and adjust at trade deadline if needed. The whole roster is a year more mature and still has Wheeler & Buff (even Little) for vet leadership. I don't think it's a problem.

I think we will see a depth forward with a right hand shot added to the lineup before training camp.

Agreed. Who knows, maybe Meyers and Trouba are both shipped. Poolman could be seeing some actual TOI. Niku as well and I am looking forward to seeing what they can do. Is Kulikov really untradable with that contract? I thought he looked decent, and 4M isn't insane if he is capable of being a #4 D
- bikeguy99

Kulikov's contract will come off the books next year, there is no urgency right now to either trade or re-sign him. It's an overpayment for a 3rd pairing d, maybe some upside there.

Trouba won't be traded this season. If it becomes inevitable that he will be traded Myers will be kept around. It's an either/or but not both for 2019-20. Moving both at the same time would be too disruptive to team chemistry that is currently good.

Muskwa - I've lived through losing a team already ... I tend to side with management these days ... and they seem to be doing a bang-up job
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PREDICTION: in 2 yrs time, the Scheifs contract will be regarded as the signing of the century !
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But my question remains - how is Trouba 1 yr contract bad for Jets ?
- CorydonKeith

The deal is not bad, it is just that we all hoped that there would be a long term deal for a top pairing D. With the history of Overcharge and previous clients like Frolik,you suspect an inevitable outcome of a trade somewhere down the line will occur. But, I agree, mgmt. has done a good job and Chevy will hopefully pluck out a good return when that time comes.

My post with proddings didn't seem to garner much attention ... so be it ... landing Troubs on a long term decent contract was the best outcome ... paying him $5.5M for 1 yr and retain RFA status is the 2nd best ... buys some time ... I'm sure that agent of his is the source of any issue ... of course, I have no facts to back this up ... but I'm sure
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Now - swinging in the wind is Panarin ... he plays left side but is a right shot, if I'm not mistaken ... I love this player ... I remember a clip of him getting in the corner with Ladd and placing Ladd on his ass - even with a considerable size disadvantage ... and he skates like the wind and has a nose for the net ... love him ... rumour has it he wants to play in the big city
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Even if we could take a run at him - where do we put him ? ... do I knock Connor or Ehlers off the left side ? ... knock Wheels or Laine off the right ? ... he ain't a 3rd liner
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Another example of how our team is stacking up

Kulikov's contract will come off the books next year, there is no urgency right now to either trade or re-sign him. It's an overpayment for a 3rd pairing d, maybe some upside there.

Trouba won't be traded this season. If it becomes inevitable that he will be traded Myers will be kept around. It's an either/or but not both for 2019-20. Moving both at the same time would be too disruptive to team chemistry that is currently good.
- 2.0

Gotta disagree with you. Kuli has 2 more seasons at 4.33M which will be an issue when it comes to Connor/Liane/Trouba contracts following this season.
I agree moving Trouba and Meyers would be overly disruptive and unnecessary. However, Trouba does not want to play in winnipeg, and wants an exorbitant amount of $$$ and max term. I think they will part ways. And being Chevy, you will be pleased with the return on Trouba. Nothing needs to be done in haste at this point, but something has to give. Maybe it will be Perrault or Little, but given Trouba's continued issues throughout his Jets career, I have a hard time seeing them agree on an extension.