That sounds cocktacular!
- Aetherial

It only gets better in Hoevember with US Skanksgiving

It only gets better in Hoevember with US Skanksgiving
- Reveen.

Something about October always coming before the ladies month.

This is worse than a hfboards flames thread.

Would you guys rather be super intelligent or really good with people?

Would you guys rather be super intelligent or really good with people?
- EdmHockeyMan

JB can’t answer this question honestly as neither is possible.

I’d take extremely good with people. You can bullpoop intelligence with the right people skills. You can’t bullpoop great people skills to make anything in life.

JB can’t answer this question honestly as neither is possible.

I’d take extremely good with people. You can bullpoop intelligence with the right people skills. You can’t bullpoop great people skills to make anything in life.
- RafiDRW

I tend to agree with this as well.

I know one friend who can smooth talk his way out of anything, easily starts convo's and make friends, and can easily persuade people. Just seems like he can hold life by the ropes at any moment no matter the situation. Makes me wish I could do the same.

Would you guys rather be super intelligent or really good with people?
- EdmHockeyMan

Interpersonal skills and emotional intelligence will allow you to overachieve professionally and get you more wussy. Highly intelligent people go insane at some point, it seems.

I tend to agree with this as well.

I know one friend who can smooth talk his way out of anything, easily starts convo's and make friends, and can easily persuade people. Just seems like he can hold life by the ropes at any moment no matter the situation. Makes me wish I could do the same.
- EdmHockeyMan

I was in management for 15 years and was very successful because I understood how to make people feel good about their role in the company and how to squeeze a little extra out of them without asking....yet I am of average intelligence and could not care less about the company and had zero passion for the industry.

I may seem like a wiener on here and I am, but that’s so I can get all the bullpoop out of my system and be a sweet and charming fella out in the world.

I was in management for 15 years and was very successful because I understood how to make people feel good about their role in the company and how to squeeze a little extra out of them without asking....yet I am of average intelligence and could not care less about the company and had zero passion for the industry.

I may seem like a wiener on here and I am, but that’s so I can get all the bullpoop out of my system and be a sweet and charming fella out in the world.
- HonkyTonkMan

I’m an oddity in the sense that I have a high intelligence and extremely good people skills. I can talk my way into anything but also graduated with honors in high school, college and university. Lol. Why am I not a millionaire?

I’m an oddity in the sense that I have a high intelligence and extremely good people skills. I can talk my way into anything but also graduated with honors in high school, college and university. Lol. Why am I not a millionaire?
- RafiDRW

You lack creativity?

They say there are 3 types of intelligence
1. Comprehension and logic.
2. Emotional intelligence
3.Creative intelligence.

The truly successful people have all 3....so do serial killers from what I understand.

You lack creativity?

They say there are 3 types of intelligence
1. Comprehension and logic.
2. Emotional intelligence
3.Creative intelligence.

The truly successful people have all 3....so do serial killers from what I understand.
- HonkyTonkMan

I’m creative in the fact I am artistically talented, play music, and apparently good at mcguyvering solutions. I always figured I just wanted to be comfortable in life and not super rich. Don’t have motivation to be the CEO of a company, or own a yacht. I dunno.

I’m creative in the fact I am artistically talented, play music, and apparently good at mcguyvering solutions. I always figured I just wanted to be comfortable in life and not super rich. Don’t have motivation to be the CEO of a company, or own a yacht. I dunno.
- RafiDRW

Do you smoke weed?

Not judging I’m just trying to figure out how a man so gifted is such a total loser.

Just kidding. Ambition is a cultural thing, often times fueled by an insecurity and the need to Keep up with the Joneses. I don’t care about any of that, I just want to retire early and have some security.

Do you smoke weed?

Not judging I’m just trying to figure out how a man so gifted is such a total loser.

Just kidding. Ambition is a cultural thing, often times fueled by an insecurity and the need to Keep up with the Joneses. I don’t care about any of that, I just want to retire early and have some security.
- HonkyTonkMan

I’ve already got both early retirement and financial security. Ambition definitely changes for each individual and mine was to have a home, loving family and stability. Check, check and check.

And yes, I do partake in the green on occasion.

I’m an oddity in the sense that I have a high intelligence and extremely good people skills. I can talk my way into anything but also graduated with honors in high school, college and university. Lol. Why am I not a millionaire?
- RafiDRW

In my experience (and that of those I've studied), it's likely linked to a higher than average score of neuroticism, a lower score in industriousness (see the Big Five Personality model) or a lower bar for the definition of success. I wouldn't discount the additional factor of creativity as Honky mentioned as it's a domain all on it's own (trait openness in the aforementioned model), but it takes a very specific type of adaptive creativity and still takes a lot of luck to achieve financial success- at least to that degree.

There's obviously no absolute predictor of success across the board, but there are correlations of varying levels of accuracy that can help predict success or explain shortcomings. The best thing to do is become aware of those shortcomings, reflect on them and work to improve them incrementally.

Would you guys rather be super intelligent or really good with people?
- EdmHockeyMan

Depends how you define intelligence but, assuming you mean fluid intelligence, I'd take super intelligent. Psychologically, it's the most accurate predictor for financial success, it provides you the faculties to do the most good and it opens up a universe worth of options for what you're actually capable of learning/understanding- including how to be good with people.

I personally find greater fulfillment in learning and enriching myself in a given domain and being able than I do in putting on a facade of understanding and being dishonest. Admittedly, you'd likely face more difficulties through your life but what's life without some struggle and adventure?

In my experience (and that of those I've studied), it's likely linked to a higher than average score of neuroticism, a lower score in industriousness (see the Big Five Personality model) or a lower bar for the definition of success. I wouldn't discount the additional factor of creativity as Honky mentioned as it's a domain all on it's own (trait openness in the aforementioned model), but it takes a very specific type of adaptive creativity and still takes a lot of luck to achieve financial success- at least to that degree.

There's obviously no absolute predictor of success across the board, but there are correlations of varying levels of accuracy that can help predict success or explain shortcomings. The best thing to do is become aware of those shortcomings, reflect on them and work to improve them incrementally.
- MaximumBone

Holy (frank) do you (frank)ers ever need the NHL season to start like tomorrow.

Interpersonal skills and emotional intelligence will allow you to overachieve professionally and get you more wussy. Highly intelligent people go insane at some point, it seems.
- HonkyTonkMan

True.

I was in management for 15 years and was very successful because I understood how to make people feel good about their role in the company and how to squeeze a little extra out of them without asking....yet I am of average intelligence and could not care less about the company and had zero passion for the industry.

I may seem like a wiener on here and I am, but that’s so I can get all the bullpoop out of my system and be a sweet and charming fella out in the world.
- HonkyTonkMan

At the end of the day, from my limited experience and understanding with/of business (which is generous to say the least), that is how it usually shapes up to be, especially from a management POV.

But dang, 15 years in management, definitely nothing to sneeze at. Props to ya, but I bet it took quite some work to get there though?

Depends how you define intelligence but, assuming you mean fluid intelligence, I'd take super intelligent. Psychologically, it's the most accurate predictor for financial success, it provides you the faculties to do the most good and it opens up a universe worth of options for what you're actually capable of learning/understanding- including how to be good with people.

I personally find greater fulfillment in learning and enriching myself in a given domain and being able than I do in putting on a facade of understanding and being dishonest. Admittedly, you'd likely face more difficulties through your life but what's life without some struggle and adventure?
- MaximumBone

Ya, fluid intelligence.

I wouldn't allude to fluid intelligence vs. emotional intelligence as you did in the second paragraph though. Fluid intelligence can also be used as a means to atrocious ends as well. A lot of evil geniuses out there in the world. Moreover, there are a lot of people that have amazing social skills and use them for the greater benefit of humanity as well. They use their ability as a means to create something out of nothing and enrich the world as well through their ability of interaction and understanding.

Regardless, I used to think like you too. I saw knowledge as awesome. I wanted to know everything about everything. But as I grew up, I kinda realized the world we live in doesn't optimize parameters based upon that viewpoint. Sure there are arguments for such, but in general, as you mentioned, you're faced with more difficulties and uncertainties (other than financial means, but for some, money isn't the main goal). Plus, I guess I just see social skills as more valuable at this point in my life. Doesn't mean that I don't value knowledge. As a Uni student going into my last year, knowledge has a means to an end, but in a world compounded upon such a principle of human interaction, social skills can justifiably be seen as an equally, if not more so, purposeful essence.

I guess I would say to you, prove me otherwise.

You lack creativity?

They say there are 3 types of intelligence
1. Comprehension and logic.
2. Emotional intelligence
3.Creative intelligence.

The truly successful people have all 3....so do serial killers from what I understand.
- HonkyTonkMan

I've seen this structure of intelligence mentioned quite a lot. Definitely an interesting way to approach the concept of intelligence.

At the end of the day, from my limited experience and understanding with/of business (which is generous to say the least), that is how it usually shapes up to be, especially from a management POV.

But dang, 15 years in management, definitely nothing to sneeze at. Props to ya, but I bet it took quite some work to get there though?
- EdmHockeyMan

I started when I was 16 and was in jr Management by 24. Management is mostly bullpoop. I had enough of that poop.

In my experience (and that of those I've studied), it's likely linked to a higher than average score of neuroticism, a lower score in industriousness (see the Big Five Personality model) or a lower bar for the definition of success. I wouldn't discount the additional factor of creativity as Honky mentioned as it's a domain all on it's own (trait openness in the aforementioned model), but it takes a very specific type of adaptive creativity and still takes a lot of luck to achieve financial success- at least to that degree.

There's obviously no absolute predictor of success across the board, but there are correlations of varying levels of accuracy that can help predict success or explain shortcomings. The best thing to do is become aware of those shortcomings, reflect on them and work to improve them incrementally.
- MaximumBone

Lower Bar for the definition of success? Are you talking financial or success in life? I wouldn’t rate finances as even 25%of the whole pie of success.

Ya, fluid intelligence.

I wouldn't allude to fluid intelligence vs. emotional intelligence as you did in the second paragraph though. Fluid intelligence can also be used as a means to atrocious ends as well. A lot of evil geniuses out there in the world. Moreover, there are a lot of people that have amazing social skills and use them for the greater benefit of humanity as well. They use their ability as a means to create something out of nothing and enrich the world as well through their ability of interaction and understanding.

Regardless, I used to think like you too. I saw knowledge as awesome. I wanted to know everything about everything. But as I grew up, I kinda realized the world we live in doesn't optimize parameters based upon that viewpoint. Sure there are arguments for such, but in general, as you mentioned, you're faced with more difficulties and uncertainties (other than financial means, but for some, money isn't the main goal). Plus, I guess I just see social skills as more valuable at this point in my life. Doesn't mean that I don't value knowledge. As a Uni student going into my last year, knowledge has a means to an end, but in a world compounded upon such a principle of human interaction, social skills can justifiably be seen as an equally, if not more so, purposeful essence.

I guess I would say to you, prove me otherwise.
- EdmHockeyMan

First, a correction: fluid intelligence's opposite is crystallized intelligence not emotional intelligence (which I think is an odd term). It's adaptive learning Vs memory and retention.

Fluid intelligence (IQ) is pretty much set but social skills are able to be learned and- given a superb ability to learn and adapt- would be manageable. I'm also not saying innately personable people can't manifest positive change, it's just my belief that the potential for manifesting positivity is lesser than with someone who's highly intelligent (if only thanks to their ability to innovate).

Not really a way to definitively prove it to you, but I'll continue to do what I'm doing and working towards honest self-actualization. There's been a noticeable improvement in my feeling of fulfillment out of life since adopting this line of thinking and think it makes complete sense to continue.

Lower Bar for the definition of success? Are you talking financial or success in life? I wouldn’t rate finances as even 25%of the whole pie of success.
- HonkyTonkMan

I completely agree that finances aren't that huge a part of how I define success, but I believe society puts a great deal of emphasis on equating money with success. As Yman mentioned "(w)hy am I not a millionaire?" (likely jokingly) but then mentioned how he's achieved his measure of success, the discussion was left in a rather ambiguous area. My bad on that one.

First, a correction: fluid intelligence's opposite is crystallized intelligence not emotional intelligence (which I think is an odd term). It's adaptive learning Vs memory and retention.

Fluid intelligence (IQ) is pretty much set but social skills are able to be learned and- given a superb ability to learn and adapt- would be manageable. I'm also not saying innately personable people can't manifest positive change, it's just my belief that the potential for manifesting positivity is lesser than with someone who's highly intelligent (if only thanks to their ability to innovate).

Not really a way to definitively prove it to you, but I'll continue to do what I'm doing and working towards honest self-actualization. There's been a noticeable improvement in my feeling of fulfillment out of life since adopting this line of thinking and think it makes complete sense to continue.
- MaximumBone

I thought the facade/dishonesty part was how emotional intelligence can come into play in that situation, hence why I said fluid intelligence (probably should have used a different word for that) vs emotional intelligence. Either way, I get what you're trying to say.

And yeah, proof on something like this can definitely be subjective. Guess the only way to truly know what's good for you is to experiment yourself and see what works.