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Sheng Peng
Joined: 04.21.2017

Aug 7 @ 1:52 PM ET
Sheng Peng: Should VGK Have Locked William Karlsson Up Long-Term?
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: It's totally menstrual , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Aug 7 @ 2:13 PM ET
Sheng Peng: Should VGK Have Locked William Karlsson Up Long-Term?
- Sheng.Peng

No
Takemedrunkimhome
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 03.08.2018

Aug 7 @ 2:31 PM ET
McPhee did the right thing. Better to overpay with knowledge than to underpay with hope in my opinion
Roadhockey
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2017

Aug 7 @ 2:52 PM ET
I think they should have. He's awesome.
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 7 @ 3:04 PM ET
Don't know what each side was looking for but I'd think 6.5x3-5 years is too low if Karlsson is going based on his year last year. He was a top 10 centre, most goals scored, best +/- etc. From his numbers I'd think he would be asking for no less than 8 million on a long term deal. Johansen makes 8 and he's a 25g/65pt centre, Karlsson's year was way better than that. Obviously nobody is going to commit to that long of term for 1 year of performance so McPhee did a good job getting the 1 year deal and making him prove it.

I'm guessing both sides realized that he would have to prove it again based on past performances so I'm sure negotiations were pretty smooth.
mgriffen
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 7 @ 3:13 PM ET
What I don't get is how Stone got more for a 1 year deal... Vegas is playing it smart, I think, not risking the Clarkson/Jason Blake mirage.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Even Holland couldn't mess that up, FL
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 7 @ 3:13 PM ET
What I don't get is how Stone got more for a 1 year deal... Vegas is playing it smart, I think, not risking the Clarkson/Jason Blake mirage.
- mgriffen

Are you serious?

Stone is a legit known commodity.

Karlsson is a one hit wonder.
Kevin R
Calgary Flames
Location: NHL refs are the worse in professional sports & can kiss my ass-teric!
Joined: 02.10.2010

Aug 7 @ 3:26 PM ET
Don't know what each side was looking for but I'd think 6.5x3-5 years is too low if Karlsson is going based on his year last year. He was a top 10 centre, most goals scored, best +/- etc. From his numbers I'd think he would be asking for no less than 8 million on a long term deal. Johansen makes 8 and he's a 25g/65pt centre, Karlsson's year was way better than that. Obviously nobody is going to commit to that long of term for 1 year of performance so McPhee did a good job getting the 1 year deal and making him prove it.

I'm guessing both sides realized that he would have to prove it again based on past performances so I'm sure negotiations were pretty smooth.

- 13sundin13

Wont argue your logic, in fact makes sense. Butttt sometimes you have to look at cost versus risk. This game is a risk. Fleury will be 34 years old in November, by the time his extension kicks in, you just gave a 35 year old goalie 7.0 mill per until they are 38?
Karlsson ask was $6.5 mill, he winds up getting around $750K less than that for this bridge when you maybe could have got him locked down for at least a 5 -6 year deal for that $6.5 mill per. He will be playing in your top 6, he's only 25 years old. If that kid doubles down next year with a comparable year & really what reasons would you have to not having him play on that same line, his ask is going to be in the 8.5-9.0 mill per range. I just dont see the benefit of hedging the risk of him being a flash in the pan. Even if his shooting percentages regress & he pops 30 goals, why would he give a home town discount & take anything less than what he feels is the market price for a 30-40 goal scorer 70+ point player. Tell me, who would you pencil in to play on the top line & get top PP ahead of W Karlsson?
mgriffen
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 7 @ 3:26 PM ET
Are you serious?

Stone is a legit known commodity.

Karlsson is a one hit wonder.

- Feds91Stammer


I know, and I get that, but I just thought 43 goals would get him more on a one year deal.
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 7 @ 3:30 PM ET
Wont argue your logic, in fact makes sense. Butttt sometimes you have to look at cost versus risk. This game is a risk. Fleury will be 34 years old in November, by the time his extension kicks in, you just gave a 35 year old goalie 7.0 mill per until they are 38?
Karlsson ask was $6.5 mill, he winds up getting around $750K less than that for this bridge when you maybe could have got him locked down for at least a 5 -6 year deal for that $6.5 mill per. He will be playing in your top 6, he's only 25 years old. If that kid doubles down next year with a comparable year & really what reasons would you have to not having him play on that same line, his ask is going to be in the 8.5-9.0 mill per range. I just dont see the benefit of hedging the risk of him being a flash in the pan. Even if his shooting percentages regress & he pops 30 goals, why would he give a home town discount & take anything less than what he feels is the market price for a 30-40 goal scorer 70+ point player. Tell me, who would you pencil in to play on the top line & get top PP ahead of W Karlsson?

- Kevin R

Oh his ask was 6.5? I thought Sheng Peng was just saying that as a hypothetical. I didnt hear anything about what he wanted, if his ask was 6.5 for 3-5 years, then I'd agree McPhee would have been wise to sign him at that.

leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Aug 7 @ 4:49 PM ET
Nope. I think he will be hard pressed to break 20 next year. He rode a massive shooting percentage spike combined with ice time and the advantage of being an unexpected / unknown commodity last season. He didn't even put up numbers like this in lower leagues against lesser competition.

I'm I'm wrong and McPhee is wrong, Wild Bill will get the truck backed up for him next summer. If he goes back to being a defensive centre scoring less than 10 goals there's still a place for that, but not making 6.5 a year.
Sheng Peng
Joined: 04.21.2017

Aug 7 @ 7:42 PM ET
Oh his ask was 6.5? I thought Sheng Peng was just saying that as a hypothetical. I didnt hear anything about what he wanted, if his ask was 6.5 for 3-5 years, then I'd agree McPhee would have been wise to sign him at that.
- 13sundin13


6.5 was his ask for arbitration. However, 6.5 x 3 is my own opinion as to what max AAV I would've offered him.
agame99
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 06.29.2018

Aug 7 @ 8:26 PM ET
Nope. I think he will be hard pressed to break 20 next year. He rode a massive shooting percentage spike combined with ice time and the advantage of being an unexpected / unknown commodity last season. He didn't even put up numbers like this in lower leagues against lesser competition.

I'm I'm wrong and McPhee is wrong, Wild Bill will get the truck backed up for him next summer. If he goes back to being a defensive centre scoring less than 10 goals there's still a place for that, but not making 6.5 a year.

- leafsfann


I understand your thought process here, but I think Karlsson will hit 30 goals and 60-70 points again. You’re right about his shooting percentage, but I believe he will still get plenty of opportunities this year and be prompted to take more shots due to some of the comments from the coaching staff last season. I think some people forget, this guy was a 2nd round pick, so he wasn’t just a guy in the draft. I was able to watch this guy play in person last year a lot and during play, he really stands out like the good players always do. He is sneaky good. Also, his production remained consistent last season and after 30 games, the Knights weren’t surprising anyone. He was openly targeted in the playoffs last year in every series and still produced (accept against Washington, like all the knights). However, I get the hesitation of Vegas completely. If this guy had put up 15-20 the year before after steadily increasing his numbers the years prior, he would have got a long term deal. This one year payday is big for both sides though and I think is a smart move for Vegas right now. They had the freedom to do this for the upcoming season and they did it all while somewhat paying him for last year’s performance. Just my thoughts. Really like his game.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 01.21.2016

Aug 8 @ 2:18 AM ET
Karlsson went from 4th line forward to 1st line center. I don’t care if he repeats last year’s output, this is still a smart move.

Misterbator
Calgary Flames
Location: Monkeytown, NB
Joined: 10.13.2014

Aug 8 @ 5:48 AM ET
I understand your thought process here, but I think Karlsson will hit 30 goals and 60-70 points again. You’re right about his shooting percentage, but I believe he will still get plenty of opportunities this year and be prompted to take more shots due to some of the comments from the coaching staff last season. I think some people forget, this guy was a 2nd round pick, so he wasn’t just a guy in the draft. I was able to watch this guy play in person last year a lot and during play, he really stands out like the good players always do. He is sneaky good. Also, his production remained consistent last season and after 30 games, the Knights weren’t surprising anyone. He was openly targeted in the playoffs last year in every series and still produced (accept against Washington, like all the knights). However, I get the hesitation of Vegas completely. If this guy had put up 15-20 the year before after steadily increasing his numbers the years prior, he would have got a long term deal. This one year payday is big for both sides though and I think is a smart move for Vegas right now. They had the freedom to do this for the upcoming season and they did it all while somewhat paying him for last year’s performance. Just my thoughts. Really like his game.
- agame99

Karlsson will score 18 next year and Vegas will miss the playoffs.
isles10289
Joined: 02.17.2009

Aug 8 @ 7:14 AM ET
But why would Karlsson sign that deal? If he goes out this year and scores 25 goals with good defensive play, he will do better than that next year. He had no incentive to give Vegas term unless he was paid at a high amount; that's why he didn't give them term.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Aug 8 @ 9:38 AM ET
It's the right move.

Might not be the one that brings you the best bargain for the player if he were to repeat.

But it's still the right move considering how huge the difference in production was for him.
agame99
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 06.29.2018

Aug 8 @ 11:49 AM ET
Karlsson will score 18 next year and Vegas will miss the playoffs.
- Misterbator



It could happen that way. It’s a tight league year to year.
VeryModernMan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Munich
Joined: 06.06.2017

Aug 8 @ 7:50 PM ET
Karlsson went from 4th line forward to 1st line center. I don’t care if he repeats last year’s output, this is still a smart move.
- Rinosaur


Agree, longterm was too risky and bridge obviously not in Bill's interest.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Aug 9 @ 12:34 AM ET
I think they should have gone like 2-3 years for Karlsson. but I also think they should have signed Neal,long term. He was a leader on the team, a long time proven goal scorer and made Vegas have waves of scoring talent.
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Aug 9 @ 12:48 PM ET
I think they should have gone like 2-3 years for Karlsson. but I also think they should have signed Neal,long term. He was a leader on the team, a long time proven goal scorer and made Vegas have waves of scoring talent.
- Maverick1818

Well, Calgary thanks GMGM for not having the balls to sign Neal long term. We’ll have to see how it turns out in the long term however. But short term?! F yes!!!
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Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 08.13.2018

Monday @ 3:14 PM ET
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