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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Aug 8 @ 8:01 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Jonesy Podcast, HG Cup, Mikita and More
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 8 @ 8:06 AM ET
F August
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 8 @ 8:25 AM ET
Bill, or any of our prospect gurus, what is the consensus on Alexis Lafreniere? He's obviously the projected #1 pick for 2020 at this point, but is he a projected "generational talent" type or more of your typical #1 overall pick? Any player comparisons at this point?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 8 @ 8:35 AM ET
Its friggin hot and humid yet again, oh joy
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 8 @ 8:37 AM ET
Bill, or any of our prospect gurus, what is the consensus on Alexis Lafreniere? He's obviously the projected #1 pick for 2020 at this point, but is he a projected "generational talent" type or more of your typical #1 overall pick? Any player comparisons at this point?
- jmatchett383


I've only seen clips, but he's very difficult to separate from the puck once he has possession and he has top notch skills. A lot of scouts are comparing him to Crosby so, if that holds up, I guess you'd call him a generational talent. His skating seems very good, but not at the level of a McDavid. I think we'll all have a much better read on him after the upcoming season as he is still very young.
ajw12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.27.2017

Aug 8 @ 8:39 AM ET
Bill, or any of our prospect gurus, what is the consensus on Alexis Lafreniere? He's obviously the projected #1 pick for 2020 at this point, but is he a projected "generational talent" type or more of your typical #1 overall pick? Any player comparisons at this point?
- jmatchett383


I think he's a tier below generational, imho, but I still think he's got the potential to be a star. I mean the kid put up 42G and 80 points in 60 games in the Q last year as a 16 year old rookie.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 8 @ 8:39 AM ET
Its friggin hot and humid yet again, oh joy


- BiggE


Have to head back to Florida to cool off.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 8 @ 8:43 AM ET
Bill, or any of our prospect gurus, what is the consensus on Alexis Lafreniere? He's obviously the projected #1 pick for 2020 at this point, but is he a projected "generational talent" type or more of your typical #1 overall pick? Any player comparisons at this point?
- jmatchett383


Your main 3 tiers:
- Generational (Lemiuex, Crosby, McDavid)
- Franchise (Stamkos, Kane, Matthews)
- Superstars (Nico/Nolan, Yakupov)

Most likely in the Franchise tier.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 8 @ 8:46 AM ET
Have to head back to Florida to cool off.
- MJL


Believe it or not, it was actually a couple of degrees cooler at my place in FL, than it was at my place in NJ yesterday. Go figure.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 8 @ 8:47 AM ET
Have to head back to Florida to cool off.
- MJL



thats un-possible. Florida has 2 seasons - hot and hotter-- hotter lasts 11 months
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 8 @ 8:48 AM ET
Your main 3 tiers:
- Generational (Lemiuex, Crosby, McDavid)
- Franchise (Stamkos, Kane, Matthews)
- Superstars (Nico/Nolan, Yakupov)

Most likely in the Franchise tier.

- Glak18


I think you need a separate tier for guys like Lemieux, Gretzky and Orr. I'd go with: So Far Off The (frank)ing Chart That It's Ridiculous, or for brevity's sake, SFOTFCTIR
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 8 @ 8:50 AM ET
thats un-possible. Florida has 2 seasons - hot and hotter-- hotter lasts 11 months
- corduroy


LOL, yes and no. One of the things that attracted us to the Jacksonville/St. Augustine area was the fact that it's far enough north to still have seasons. From mid December to early March, the day time highs are usually in the mid 60s and the lows around 50.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 8 @ 8:52 AM ET
I like that he sees Carter Hart as maybe a Carson Wentz type story. That would be pretty interesting.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 8 @ 8:57 AM ET
I like that he sees Carter Hart as maybe a Carson Wentz type story. That would be pretty interesting.
- MBFlyerfan


So he'll lead us to a 61-5 record, then go down with a season-ending injury, only for former Philadelphia starter and now backup Steve Mason to lead us to Cup glory?

I'll take it.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 8 @ 9:11 AM ET
I think you need a separate tier for guys like Lemieux, Gretzky and Orr. I'd go with: So Far Off The (frank)ing Chart That It's Ridiculous, or for brevity's sake, SFOTFCTIR
- BiggE


UPDATED:

- Superstar Tier (Nico, Yakapoo, Erik Johnson)
- Franchise Tier (Stamkos, Kane, Matthews)
- Generational Tier (Crosby, McDavid)

- Cream Your Pants Tier (Lemeiux, Orr, The Schenns)
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 8 @ 9:12 AM ET
#RottingforRaymond
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Aug 8 @ 9:13 AM ET
I like that he sees Carter Hart as maybe a Carson Wentz type story. That would be pretty interesting.
- MBFlyerfan


Just finished the podcast, I just like that everyone is rational with their opinions, gives props to other players and have logical expectations. Like the opposite of every show in Toronto.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 8 @ 9:13 AM ET
I like that he sees Carter Hart as maybe a Carson Wentz type story. That would be pretty interesting.
- MBFlyerfan


Lots of interesting stuff from that podcast:

While I still wouldn't put money on it, I don't think it's as farfetched as some around here think that Carter Hart could be playing for the Flyers as their #1 goalie before the end of the 18-19 season. He's excelled at every level he's ever played at and it's not like he has to come in and unseat a stud #1 goalie, or hell, even a legit #1 goalie. I know Hextall likes to err on the side of caution, but if he's clearly their best goaltender in preseason, goes down to LHV and lights it up for a month and the Flyers during that time are only getting so-so goaltending from their vets; he could absolutely find himself in Philly sooner than most think.

I also agree with Jones' point that the young D having another year under their belts is huge and that Sanheim has major upside and could soon be an impact player. I also like that he feels that the Flyers were angry at themselves for how they performed in the playoffs and now have a better understanding of what it takes to win in the postseason.

I agree with him in regards to G regressing to the 80 or so point range, but also with the Flyers having more balanced scoring throughout the lineup and that Patrick will have much more of an impact this year. Personally, I can see Giroux finishing in the 80-90 point range and both Jake and Coots scoring 5-15 points less than last year. However, as a team, I think the Flyers will increase their offensive production this year due to adding JVR, getting much more from Patrick and Lindblom, having a healthy Simmonds and having a more experienced Sanheim on the roster and in the lineup all season.

Finally, I agree with Jones that the Flyers can compete for the top spot in the Metro. Every team in the division has at least some flaws and I don't see any team that is going to go out and put up greater than 105 or so points.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 8 @ 9:14 AM ET
UPDATED:

- Superstar Tier (Nico, Yakapoo, Erik Johnson)
- Franchise Tier (Stamkos, Kane, Matthews)
- Generational Tier (Crosby, McDavid)

- Cream Your Pants Tier (Lemeiux, Orr, The Schenns)

- Glak18


OMFG
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 8 @ 9:14 AM ET
So he'll lead us to a 61-5 record, then go down with a season-ending injury, only for former Philadelphia starter and now backup Steve Mason to lead up to Cup glory?

I'll take it.

- jmatchett383

That would be hilarious
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 8 @ 9:15 AM ET
Just finished the podcast, I just like that everyone is rational with their opinions, gives props to other players and have logical expectations. Like the opposite of every show in Toronto.
- Glak18


Nice to see you've been let out of solitary.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 8 @ 9:18 AM ET
That would be hilarious
- YuenglingJagr


Also, we'd have to also acquire Braydon Coburn just for the 2Real reaction.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 8 @ 9:20 AM ET
Also, we'd have to also acquire Braydon Coburn just for the 2Real reaction.
- jmatchett383


Coburn, and Mason, and bears, OH MY!
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Aug 8 @ 9:22 AM ET
re - carter hart.

My gut is probably wrong, but I just have a crazy feeling that he will make the team (the big club) out of camp. I just have a feeling.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 8 @ 9:23 AM ET
Lots of interesting stuff from that podcast:

While I still wouldn't put money on it, I don't think it's as farfetched as some around here think that Carter Hart could be playing for the Flyers as their #1 goalie before the end of the 18-19 season. He's excelled at every level he's ever played at and it's not like he has to come in and unseat a stud #1 goalie, or hell, even a legit #1 goalie. I know Hextall likes to err on the side of caution, but if he's clearly their best goaltender in preseason, goes down to LHV and lights it up for a month and the Flyers during that time are only getting so-so goaltending from their vets; he could absolutely find himself in Philly sooner than most think.

I also agree with Jones' point that the young D having another year under their belts is huge and that Sanheim has major upside and could soon be an impact player. I also like that he feels that the Flyers were angry at themselves for how they performed in the playoffs and now have a better understanding of what it takes to win in the postseason.

I agree with him in regards to G regressing to the 80 or so point range, but also with the Flyers having more balanced scoring throughout the lineup and that Patrick will have much more of an impact this year. Personally, I can see Giroux finishing in the 80-90 point range and both Jake and Coots scoring 5-15 points less than last year. However, as a team, I think the Flyers will increase their offensive production this year due to adding JVR, getting much more from Patrick and Lindblom, having a healthy Simmonds and having a more experienced Sanheim on the roster and in the lineup all season.

Finally, I agree with Jones that the Flyers can compete for the top spot in the Metro. Every team in the division has at least some flaws and I don't see any team that is going to go out and put up greater than 105 or so points.

- BiggE



Meh Jonesy knows nothing. There are much older, much wiser hockey minds who understand the Flyers will regress this season due to the loss of Manning and Filppula.

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