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Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Aug 10 @ 8:38 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Hlinka Gretzky Cup Update, Lou Nolan, Alumni
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 10 @ 8:40 AM ET
Thanks Bill
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 10 @ 8:50 AM ET
Let's get Bill in there on a pen banner!
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Aug 10 @ 9:05 AM ET
Let's get Bill in there on a pen banner!
- YuenglingJagr


With my name barely legible
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 10 @ 9:13 AM ET
Thoughts

http://lastwordonhockey.c...uld-trade-wayne-simmonds/
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buh bye NJ, hello Florida!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 10 @ 9:21 AM ET
All I can say is:

LOOOUUUU!!!!!!
GudasNew
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 03.03.2015

Aug 10 @ 9:23 AM ET
Thoughts

http://lastwordonhockey.c...uld-trade-wayne-simmonds/

- wcorvette


I think pickled cauliflower is an underappreciated pickled food.
WheelSnipeCelly
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.14.2016

Aug 10 @ 9:30 AM ET
Thoughts

http://lastwordonhockey.c...uld-trade-wayne-simmonds/

- wcorvette


I agree for the most part. When taking into account the JVR signing, the kids in the system, and the contracts we're going to have to give in the upcoming years, it will just be a matter of odd man out. The only problem with trading him now vs. the trade deadline is his recent down numbers affecting trade value. If he can show some improvement at 5v5 and that he's recovered from surgery, trading him at the deadline is the smart move. It'll suck to see him go, but it's gonna be necessary.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Let's Dance!, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 9:47 AM ET
I agree for the most part. When taking into account the JVR signing, the kids in the system, and the contracts we're going to have to give in the upcoming years, it will just be a matter of odd man out. The only problem with trading him now vs. the trade deadline is his recent down numbers affecting trade value. If he can show some improvement at 5v5 and that he's recovered from surgery, trading him at the deadline is the smart move. It'll suck to see him go, but it's gonna be necessary.
- WheelSnipeCelly


I think saying it's gonna be necessary is an overstatement. There are a number of good reasons for trading Simmonds for sure. But necessary? I don't buy it. I also don't buy that Simmonds is not capable of rebounding. A healthy Simmonds is still fully capable of producing at 5 on 5 with the right linemates.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Aug 10 @ 9:48 AM ET
Simmonds was healthy during 16-17 and he was a replacement level player at 5 on 5 that year too
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 10 @ 10:03 AM ET
Simmonds was healthy during 16-17 and he was a replacement level player at 5 on 5 that year too
- bulet13


FWIW, I hate the term "replacement level player." Are you saying that, at 5 on 5 play, that Wayne Simmonds and Chris VandeVelde, or an AHL/NHL tweener, were essentially the exact same player? Because I would not.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 10 @ 10:07 AM ET
Simmonds was healthy during 16-17 and he was a replacement level player at 5 on 5 that year too
- bulet13


Led the team in goals though.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buh bye NJ, hello Florida!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 10 @ 10:08 AM ET
FWIW, I hate the term "replacement level player." Are you saying that, at 5 on 5 play, that Wayne Simmonds and Chris VandeVelde were essentially the exact same player? Because I would not.
- jmatchett383

Agreed. A better description would be that he produced at ES at a level that was below average for a top 6 forward. Replacing Simmonds contribution at ES isn’t really the issue. The question should be is what Simmonds brings to the table on the pp and in “the room” worth extending him for what will likely need to be at least 5 years and 35 million.

I don’t think it is and if it were up to me, I’d trade him.
WheelSnipeCelly
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.14.2016

Aug 10 @ 10:10 AM ET
I think saying it's gonna be necessary is an overstatement. There are a number of good reasons for trading Simmonds for sure. But necessary? I don't buy it. I also don't buy that Simmonds is not capable of rebounding. A healthy Simmonds is still fully capable of producing at 5 on 5 with the right linemates.
- MJL


I feel like we're getting into semantics here, but I don't see a scenario where we can keep a productive Simmer. We have roughly $34M in cap space for 19-20 (before cap adjustment). We're gonna have to fill 4 forward spots (I'm assuming TK is the only lock to get resigned), 1 D spot, 2 goalies, and new contracts for TK, Sanheim, and Provy. Then in 20-21 Patrick, Lindblom, and Hagg will need new contracts. If Simmer comes back to form, he will be too expensive to sign to the kind of deal he'll deserve.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 10 @ 10:12 AM ET
Since Lou always emcees the ceremonies for the various figures the Flyers honor, it would be kind of neat to see someone else emcee on the night Lou himself would be honored.


And that someone else should be Dan Baker.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 10 @ 10:15 AM ET
All I can say is:

LOOOUUUU!!!!!!

- BiggE


Anytime I play my kid in the NHL video game and he goes on the PP, he always does the "AND THE FLYERS ARE GOING ON THE PEEEECCCCOOOOO POWER PLAY!"
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buh bye NJ, hello Florida!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 10 @ 10:17 AM ET
Anytime I play my kid in the NHL video game and he goes on the PP, he always does the "AND THE FLYERS ARE GOING ON THE PEEEECCCCOOOOO POWER PLAY!"
- johndewar

😂👍

And I also agree with you re: Dan Baker
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 10 @ 10:20 AM ET
Hextall is smart to wait and see how Simmonds looks this coming season before making any decisions.

Still no sign of Mason getting a contract anywhere. Hopefully he's not the next Bryzgalov, going from Flyers starter to out of the league in two years.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 10 @ 10:25 AM ET
Hextall is smart to wait and see how Simmonds looks this coming season before making any decisions.

Still no sign of Mason getting a contract anywhere. Hopefully he's not the next Bryzgalov, going from Flyers starter to out of the league in two years.

- Feanor


After having seen both Mrazek and Mason up close, I'm baffled as to why Carolina chose Mrazek and not Mason when they needed a goaltender.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 10 @ 10:29 AM ET
After having seen both Mrazek and Mason up close, I'm baffled as to why Carolina chose Mrazek and not Mason when they needed a goaltender.
- johndewar



Maybe his reputation proceeds him?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Let's Dance!, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 10:31 AM ET
Simmonds was healthy during 16-17 and he was a replacement level player at 5 on 5 that year too
- bulet13



Really? LOL Simmonds ranked in the top 40 in the NHL among RW's for EV point production.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 10 @ 10:32 AM ET
After having seen both Mrazek and Mason up close, I'm baffled as to why Carolina chose Mrazek and not Mason when they needed a goaltender.
- johndewar


Despite the fact that we have an abundance of goalies..I mean, if he has been humbled enough to agree to a split-time job, he'd probably be an upgrade over either one of our 2 NHL goalies.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Let's Dance!, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 10:32 AM ET
FWIW, I hate the term "replacement level player." Are you saying that, at 5 on 5 play, that Wayne Simmonds and Chris VandeVelde, or an AHL/NHL tweener, were essentially the exact same player? Because I would not.
- jmatchett383



It's one of the dumber terms that have come out from the analytics crowd. Along with thinking that the stats of a player when he is on the ice is independent of his teammates.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Let's Dance!, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 10:33 AM ET
After having seen both Mrazek and Mason up close, I'm baffled as to why Carolina chose Mrazek and not Mason when they needed a goaltender.
- johndewar


Other issues have come into play I believe.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 10 @ 10:34 AM ET
Really? LOL Simmonds ranked in the top 40 in the NHL among RW's for EV point production.
- MJL


Are you talking about actually producing goals and points? Because if so, that's all hogwash and smoke and mirrors. You really need to look at his attempted shot differentials at 5v5 per 60 minutes when there were 9 other skaters on the ice.
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