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- JACMAN

gives the team a chance to see what White and Brown are made of.

personally, down the middle, i'd want to see:

duchene
white
brown
smith

it's not some guy on a message board making it up.....it was a fact, and discussed heavily during the draft.

from sportsnet

Ryan Merkley was the most polarizing player of the first round, hands down. While he was the first-overall pick of the 2016 OHL Draft and has put up 122 points in 125 games with the Guelph Storm, he was reportedly on a lot of teams’ do-not-draft lists. A first-round — and probably top 10 — talent in a vacuum, Merkley is a high-risk, high-reward prospect who wasn’t even a top-31 pick on draft guru Sam Cosentino’s mock.

a lot of teams flat out said, we wouldn't draft you AT ALL, let alone in the 1st round.

this trade from an ottawa perspective was bad, but the one thing that would have made it potentially even worse was if that kid was involved. i would want nothing to do with him as a prospect
- sensarmy_11

Yeah some reporting saying that is completely different then an actual GM coming out and saying that. Please provide proof of any GM saying that...ill wait

Ive seen Merkley with the Guelph Storm, and while he isnt perfect, more is being made out of it then it is. Have you seen him play before? Ill bet you havent.

Ottawa go no potential top end players from the deal, thats a very very bad thing. The truth is they should have never even considered trading with SJ, the assets werent a good fit.

gives the team a chance to see what White and Brown are made of.

personally, down the middle, i'd want to see:

duchene
white
brown
smith
- sensarmy_11

Tiereny is a C and his linemate last year was Boedker so wouldnt be shocked to see those 2 together on the third line with Smith

gives the team a chance to see what White and Brown are made of.

personally, down the middle, i'd want to see:

duchene
white
brown
smith
- sensarmy_11

Ive seen Brown play quite a bit in the OHL, I am not sure his game is going to translate well. Hope im wrong about him, he's a good kid.

gives the team a chance to see what White and Brown are made of.

personally, down the middle, i'd want to see:

duchene
white
brown
smith
- sensarmy_11

I would go with:
duchene
tierney
chlapik
smith

Its baffling just how bad of a return this was.
When Dorions finally gets fired.. his nhl career is over because of this , what a chump

Its baffling just how bad of a return this was.
When Dorions finally gets fired.. his nhl career is over because of this , what a chump
- spazzbot

I just came on here to post the same thing.

When the team is sold, and the new owners clean house, Dorion will never get another NHL job.

The guy will end up doing talk radio in Trois-Rivieres or some other small hick town in Quebec.

If I'm Dorion, I'm stepping down before I'm making that trade. Then I'm going public and explaining why I'm stepping down. Make Melnyk do the (frank)ing deal.

I just came on here to post the same thing.

When the team is sold, and the new owners clean house, Dorion will never get another NHL job.

The guy will end up doing talk radio in Trois-Rivieres or some other small hick town in Quebec.

If I'm Dorion, I'm stepping down before I'm making that trade. Then I'm going public and explaining why I'm stepping down. Make Melnyk do the (frank)ing deal.
- Charliebox

Thats all good for you to say that, but if it was your job Im pretty sure you wouldnt be doing that considering he likely wont get another job, and he wants to try to repair his reputation. On top of that, im sure his salary is large enough where he'd rather get fired then quit.

Thats all good for you to say that, but if it was your job Im pretty sure you wouldnt be doing that considering he likely wont get another job, and he wants to try to repair his reputation. On top of that, im sure his salary is large enough where he'd rather get fired then quit.
- Archaic

Well it's short term pain for long term gain, no?

I'm sure he's saved some cash and can live comfortably until he gets another job.

What would you rather? Sacrifice a couple years pay, so you can get paid decently for the rest of your life or take a couple more years pay and be forced into retirement (when it comes to hockey management)?

Just to add to that, if he did step-down, he would be a hot commodity for TV and radio while he waits for his next job.

TSN, RDS, NHL network etc. would love to have an analyst who had the balls to give his owner a giant middle finger.

Team 1200 did a heck of job yesterday. They basically answered angry phone live calls from 3pm to well over 2am. Unprecedented the volume of sheer outrage

Well it's short term pain for long term gain, no?

I'm sure he's saved some cash and can live comfortably until he gets another job.

What would you rather? Sacrifice a couple years pay, so you can get paid decently for the rest of your life or take a couple more years pay and be forced into retirement (when it comes to hockey management)?
- Charliebox

He wont get another job based on his work before that trade, so he needs to continue to try and fix his reputation. Based on his pay, getting fired for his current job is likely enough for him to retire. Were talking about millions of dollars here most likely.

Team 1200 did a heck of job yesterday. They basically answered angry phone live calls from 3pm to well over 2am. Unprecedented the volume of sheer outrage
- spazzbot

Mendes is one of the best.

Congrats to Joe Sakic on landing Jack Hughes. It’s almost assured at this point. Everyone knows Stone is gone, and Duchene wanted to “wait and see” with Karlsson/Stone...no way he stays now. Should’ve sent that 4th back and risked the lottery again with higher odds..
- FinnGod

1st overall to COl is "assured"? Do you understand how odds work?

Just to add to that, if he did step-down, he would be a hot commodity for TV and radio while he waits for his next job.

TSN, RDS, NHL network etc. would love to have an analyst who had the balls to give his owner a giant middle finger.
- Charliebox

Melynk would also have to pay him millions to keep silent. Afterall a tell all book would likely come out

He wont get another job based on his work before that trade, so he needs to continue to try and fix his reputation. Based on his pay, getting fired for his current job is likely enough for him to retire. Were talking about millions of dollars here most likely.
- Archaic

The guy is just getting started. I'm sure he doesn't want to retire.

It's not about the money. You're the one making it about the money. I'm sure he'll be comfortable regardless of which ever decision he decided to make.

It's not about the money. It's about having a good job, that you can be proud of. He's paid his dues and worked his way up from scout, to head scout, to assistant GM to GM.

And after that trade, and his other recent trades, that were clearly dictated by his lack of funds, he's going to have to start all over again.

The guy is just getting started. I'm sure he doesn't want to retire.

It's not about the money. You're the one making it about the money. I'm sure he'll be comfortable regardless of which ever decision he decided to make.

It's not about the money. It's about having a good job, that you can be proud of. He's paid his dues and worked his way up from scout, to head scout, to assistant GM to GM.

And after that trade, and his other recent trades, that were clearly dictated by his lack of funds, he's going to have to start all over again.
- Charliebox

His GM career is over if he resigned before that trade....and every job is about money. He'll get another job in hockey regardless of how this trade went. Look at JFJ, he still works in hockey, just not a GM. You are way overstating the impact of this trade on his hockey career.

He wont be a GM again unless he turns around the Senators, thats with or without this trade.

Mendes is one of the best.
- AdamFrench

Oops tsn 1200. Yep Mendes is good. And Lee Versage (*spl cbeck) was still on his game at 2.15am

it always blows my mind that people are so narrow minded that they automatically equate "doesn't stand in front of the net and knock people over" to not being good defensively.

karlsson has higher hockey IQ than 99.99% of players in the NHL, he blocks shots, routinely is at teh top of the league in takeaways, plays a very solid positional game, can kill penalties, is EASILY the best transitional dman in the league, can skate the puck out of trouble in his own end better than anyone in the league.

people who claim karlsson is bad in his own end fall into 1 of 3 categories:

1. trolls and haters
2. never watch him play
3. stuck in the "don cherry era" of hockey fans who think that small fast euro dman can't play D simply based on the fact that they produce points
- sensarmy_11

You realize that it is possible people just don't like him AND there is evidence to suggest that he is not great defensively. You have chosen to ignore it. Oh well.

His GM career is over if he resigned before that trade....and every job is about money. He'll get another job in hockey regardless of how this trade went. Look at JFJ, he still works in hockey, just not a GM. You are way overstating the impact of this trade on his hockey career.

He wont be a GM again unless he turns around the Senators, thats with or without this trade.
- Archaic

I dunno about that. Look at Milbury. This trade is Millbury level of horrid.

Add that to his other trades, that were clearly about money and the terrible Duchene trade and he's approaching Millbury as one of the worst GMs of all time.

Millbury never got another job in hockey. He's an analyst now.. and lucky to be one cause he sucks at that too.

what could possibly go wrong?


- sensarmy_11

Who is this?

Daigle?

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vi...-karlsson-moments~1488169

Uh?
The sharks are much better today then 2 days ago.
- Fakepartofme

DO you think they are good enough to compete with Nashville and Winnipeg?

I dunno about that. Look at Milbury. This trade is Millbury level of horrid.

Add that to his other trades, that were clearly about money and the terrible Duchene trade and he's approaching Millbury as one of the worst GMs of all time.

Millbury never got another job in hockey. He's an analyst now.. and lucky to be one cause he sucks at that too.
- Charliebox

I hate to break it to you, but he has been bad since he started. Can you name any good trades/signings he has made? He hasnt been good. Also, Millbury is a different story(hes an idiot dbag), you can just look at all failed GM's for proof, most of them are still in a hockey role afterwards.

Per Pronman, the Sens prospect pool went from 13th, to 12th after this trade.