Peter Tessier: Sunday Musings: Jets Edition Some thoughts and shots about things with the Jets, ownership, civic politics and certain media (if you can call them that)

" TNSE are in trouble ( public opinion Kind)"...... Lol

Stick to writing about hockey....... this is a hockey forum. (Public opinion)


The big complex True North Square office/retail/ entertainment/ Hotel next to the Arena looks amazing and will be a cash cow for True North and part owner David Thompson ( Richest man in Canada).

Sticking to hockey related info and the new complex being built next to the arena. You could have wrote about the possibility of Winnipeg hosting a upcoming draft when the complex is complete. Weather in Winnipeg in June is awesome and with the new complex connecting the Arena to the convention centre the amenities would be perfect to host a draft.

" TNSE are in trouble ( public opinion Kind)"...... Lol

Stick to writing about hockey....... this is a hockey forum. (Public opinion)


The big complex True North Square office/retail/ entertainment/ Hotel next to the Arena looks amazing and will be a cash cow for True North and part owner David Thompson ( Richest man in Canada).

Sticking to hockey related info and the new complex being built next to the arena. You could have wrote about the possibility of Winnipeg hosting a upcoming draft when the complex is complete. Weather in Winnipeg in June is awesome and with the new complex connecting the Arena to the convention centre the amenities would be perfect to host a draft.
- Deanyoungblood7

AFAIK that complex in stage one will not have any influence on draft hosting. Wpg has a shortage of DT hotel space for an event with that many out of town guests. Raddisson, Ft Garry, Delta, Alt, Inn at Forks and Fairmont. They need the second phase and Sutton.

BTW David Thomson is less involved in this venture- it was 100% financed by Richardsons.

And everything in there is about hockey.

Yes, thoughts and shots indeed. The hockey content is interesting with the Duchene / Little stats, I think its a good topic and also Myers on the left side is another good tppic.

I thought Myers was struggling a bit on the left side. Just did not seem ready or comfortable on that first play out. No need to force it if it is not going work.

On the shots, not sure I understand the angles entirely and your writing style does not seem entirely consistent with your previous blogs. I first wondered if someone is moonlighting as Pete or perhaps you have taken a robaxecet and a dash of alchohol and knocked off a quick blog.

Not criticizing, just a bit lost with this posting.

I think I missed the point with the little stats vrs Duchene? Did they not look better for Little? Or was that point? Not being smart, Honest question.

Ok, i read the Artic Ice article and the the puzzle has come together so to speak.

I think I missed the point with the little stats vrs Duchene? Did they not look better for Little? Or was that point? Not being smart, Honest question.
- Ross77

Duchene has been in a crap situation for 3 seasons and has suffered but he’s younger and maybe better, hence the buy on the cheap idea. If that were possible.

Duchene has been in a crap situation for 3 seasons and has suffered but he’s younger and maybe better, hence the buy on the cheap idea. If that were possible.
- Peter.Tessier

I’ve always thought Duchene was over rated. He has played with some nice players in Ottawa. If the cost starts with a first rounder I’d pass, 2nd rounder and a guy like Petan or Dano, I’d do.

Getting back to hockey. I have watched tonight game and can comment on a few players. Firstly, Scheifele looks to be in mid-season shape already. IFG he stays healthy he is going to have a heckuva season.

The others who have looked good on the "rookie" side IMHO are Everberg and Schilling. Skyler Mckenzie is also showing why he led his league. Vesalainen having another strong game. Its interesting to note that Vesalainen also plays the PK and can play the PP . Maurice wants those 3rd / 4th line guys who don't get a lot of 5 vs 5 time to be able to fill in on specialty teams. Most coaches want the same. Its one reason that Dano is always facing an uphill battle.

Myers does look awkward on his offside. Its a tough ask though. I'm not usre this experiment is going to last much longer. Quite frankly, if Trouba wasn't so selfish ...he had his best season on the left side.

I was impressed with basically everyone tonight, besides Morrow (can’t find a partner that works) and Myers (getting massacred on the scoring chances, dragging Byfuglien down, too).

I would take Duchene over Little in a heartbeat and I would easily trade a first rounder as part of the package to get him. Imagine him Ehlers, and Roslovic on one line. Would easily be one of the fastest in the league.

" TNSE are in trouble ( public opinion Kind)"...... Lol

Stick to writing about hockey....... this is a hockey forum. (Public opinion)


The big complex True North Square office/retail/ entertainment/ Hotel next to the Arena looks amazing and will be a cash cow for True North and part owner David Thompson ( Richest man in Canada).

Sticking to hockey related info and the new complex being built next to the arena. You could have wrote about the possibility of Winnipeg hosting a upcoming draft when the complex is complete. Weather in Winnipeg in June is awesome and with the new complex connecting the Arena to the convention centre the amenities would be perfect to host a draft.
- Deanyoungblood7

I disagree and do think it's messed that special rules are being given to True North. Only way I would forgive them is if they bring a major grocer to downtown like Sobeys or Superstore. People living in the neighbourhood really need it.

Even better than Perreault on the second line I do like the idea of putting Laine with Sheif and Wheels and Connor Litttle Ehlers as the second line with Ehlers playing his offside as he did in junior.

Laine Sheif Wheels
Connor Little Ehlers
Perreault Roslovic ( ? = Vesalainen, Dano, Petan, Lemieux )
Copp Lowry Tanev

Trouba Buff
Morrissey Myers
Kulikov Poolman

Morrow and ? on bench. Does Chariot slot in anywhere ?

Of course, the one problem is that Trouba is too selfish to ever play left side again. Just trade him already for an equivalent left side defenseman and the problem is solved.

The others who have looked good on the "rookie" side IMHO are Everberg and Schilling. Skyler Mckenzie is also showing why he led his league. Vesalainen having another strong game. Its interesting to note that Vesalainen also plays the PK and can play the PP . Maurice wants those 3rd / 4th line guys who don't get a lot of 5 vs 5 time to be able to fill in on specialty teams. Most coaches want the same. Its one reason that Dano is always facing an uphill battle.

- jetsnation

I think the Moose are going to be fun to watch this year and the team will be populated with the likes of McKenzie (7th rounder), Everburg, Appleton, Schilling, possibly Lemieux, Petan (if not traded or makes the big club), Stanley, Nogier and the list goes on. Lots of prospects to develop further and looks like a good crop for the Moose.

Even better than Perreault on the second line I do like the idea of putting Laine with Sheif and Wheels and Connor Litttle Ehlers as the second line with Ehlers playing his offside as he did in junior.

Laine Sheif Wheels
Connor Little Ehlers
Perreault Roslovic ( ? = Vesalainen, Dano, Petan, Lemieux )
Copp Lowry Tanev

Trouba Buff
Morrissey Myers
Kulikov Poolman

Morrow and ? on bench. Does Chariot slot in anywhere ?

Of course, the one problem is that Trouba is too selfish to ever play left side again. Just trade him already for an equivalent left side defenseman and the problem is solved.
- jetsnation

Yes, Ehlers played his offside and was converted to LW in Wpg. Third line is a coin toss as to who slots in for game 1, and on D, it seems PoMo is determined to give Myers 2nd pairing minutes. I though Poolman looked a bit better this last game. Log jam on D for 6 and 7th D.

TNSE brings the NHL back to Winnipeg and are active developers of our downtown and there are people out there criticizing them for making a buck - whatever - when I read that article I laughed my ass off

Preseason will be more telling this week - tonight, Wednesday, and Thursday ... the line-up will get firmer as will our opponents'

Duchene has been in a crap situation for 3 seasons and has suffered but he’s younger and maybe better, hence the buy on the cheap idea. If that were possible.
- Peter.Tessier

Maybe, lots of drama to go along with him. Always wanted to be a Colorado Avalanche, then bad blood, and the long drawn out saga, now in Ottawa and thinking big like Tavares. Maybe get him on the cheap but apparently he is not thinking cheap for the next deal.

I am not enamored with Little's deal but not quite ready to jump from the frying pan to fire. This year Duch is 6.5 mill, then UFA, then what does he want and for how long? You might be able to get out of Littles deal and if that is the objective, then it could be a potential scenario. He is going to want more than Scheifle as a UFA, so I don't think there is a long term deal there.

Good topic, the stats had me confused for a bit but this one ain't going to work for a long term period.

TNSE brings the NHL back to Winnipeg and are active developers of our downtown and there are people out there criticizing them for making a buck - whatever - when I read that article I laughed my ass off

Preseason will be more telling this week - tonight, Wednesday, and Thursday ... the line-up will get firmer as will our opponents'
- CorydonKeith

Exactly, if the politicians are too stupid, vote them out. They are business ppl with a huge frickin investment in this prairie town. That is the objective, to make money and survive in this tiny blip market.

And what is the definition of "affordable housing"? Why is this even a social policy, wtf is this socialist province demanding "affordable housing"? If I build a couple of towers and invest millions, why should I be forced to put "affordable housing" in my tower? What country is this, Cuba? So, the government dumps millions in the stadium on a Premiers whim without any Manitobans consensus and you are demanding affordable housing in my tower just because the city has given a good deal to spur on investment? Vote them out. Drain the swamp.

Chipper's heart bled purple/crimson when he was a Crusader and as a citizen of Winnipeg he bleeds the hometown blood. He has done more for downtown Winnipeg than just about anybody so this hit piece is out of line. A businessman is also allowed to make money . He took the risks with both the Jets , his development, and building the arena downtown instead of at a cheaper location.

If you want affordable housing then move to Transcona.

Chipper's heart bled purple/crimson when he was a Crusader and as a citizen of Winnipeg he bleeds the hometown blood. He has done more for downtown Winnipeg than just about anybody so this hit piece is out of line. A businessman is also allowed to make money . He took the risks with both the Jets , his development, and building the arena downtown instead of at a cheaper location.

If you want affordable housing then move to Transcona.
- jetsnation

You are missing the point, those rules were established and he was aware of those rules prior to development. Just because he thinks he no longer likes the rules doesn't mean that they should be changed.

Its like any of us building a tower, knowing the rules and committing to them, then once the project is done, saying we no longer like the rules, especially considering I have gotten favorable tax rules and incentives to build my tower.

You are missing the point, those rules were established and he was aware of those rules prior to development. Just because he thinks he no longer likes the rules doesn't mean that they should be changed.

Its like any of us building a tower, knowing the rules and committing to them, then once the project is done, saying we no longer like the rules, especially considering I have gotten favorable tax rules and incentives to build my tower.
- TheUltimateJet

Are you absolutely sure 100% that this is how it played out? That TNSE purposely ignored the policy? Are you 100% sure? Pete opened this can of worms so here we go.

There is something bubbling here and it is rising to the surface. And when it all boils down, Bowman has no problem calling Wpgrs racist. But, if someone of the Jewish community starts to make a buck after investing the family fortune, the knives come out, because they are Jewish. Pete, you opened that can of worms so lets get right to the real issue here, and don't beat around the bush.

Are you absolutely sure 100% that this is how it played out? That TNSE purposely ignored the policy? Are you 100% sure? Pete opened this can of worms so here we go.

There is something bubbling here and it is rising to the surface. And when it all boils down, Bowman has no problem calling Wpgrs racist. But, if someone of the Jewish community starts to make a buck after investing the family fortune, the knives come out, because they are Jewish. Pete, you opened that can of worms so lets get right to the real issue here, and don't beat around the bush.
- CharlieDog

I don't think it has anything with anybody being Jewish. That's a pretty bold accusation!

I am sure of one thing, real estate developments are where professional sports owners make money. The deals have less to do about sports franchises then they do about real estate developments. I am sure that when/if Chipman decides to sell the franchise that whoever buys it will have to purchase the entire development.

That's just the new economics about sports franchises.

TheUltimateJet - I actually agree with you - there are zoning laws & policies that have been enacted in order to ensure affordable housing downtown ... if TNSE knew of these / were supposed to know as developers in downtown Winnipeg - so be it

If we don't like those laws & policies then we vote for those who have different policies

What I don't have time for is mindless trashing of a family whose business & social interests are bettering our great city < NOT SAYING YOU ! > ... I have zero visibility to this but seems to me the Chipmans & TNSE define the strongest/proven strategy to an idea and have the patience and wherewithal to execute ... it played out with getting an NHL team back, developing that team to be a winner, and now they are pursuing "SHED"(Sports, Hospitality, Entertainment District) development ... excellent !

By the way - they were also instrumental to building a middle school in a poor area of town to provide better educational offerings for inner city kids

Ok - I'll stop now ... looking forward to watching Jets v Flames tonight no matter what line-up

TheUltimateJet - I actually agree with you - there are zoning laws & policies that have been enacted in order to ensure affordable housing downtown ... if TNSE knew of these / were supposed to know as developers in downtown Winnipeg - so be it

If we don't like those laws & policies then we vote for those who have different policies

What I don't have time for is mindless trashing of a family whose business & social interests are bettering our great city < NOT SAYING YOU ! > ... I have zero visibility to this but seems to me the Chipmans & TNSE define the strongest/proven strategy to an idea and have the patience and wherewithal to execute ... it played out with getting an NHL team back, developing that team to be a winner, and now they are pursuing "SHED"(Sports, Hospitality, Entertainment District) development ... excellent !

By the way - they were also instrumental to building a middle school in a poor area of town to provide better educational offerings for inner city kids

Ok - I'll stop now ... looking forward to watching Jets v Flames tonight no matter what line-up
- CorydonKeith

You see how mixing sports and politics is a no win situation?

Btw, there are these ppl called inspectors that work for the city and inspect that buildings are built to code. Why does this come up now? I am not picking on you or Ultimate btw, but why didn't this become an issue long ago??

And, I believe it is all about being Jewish. I have lived in this town too long to know exactly what the sentiment is in the upper echelons of particularly City government.

Pete wanted this conversation so why he went down this rabbit hole is beyond me.

You are missing the point, those rules were established and he was aware of those rules prior to development. Just because he thinks he no longer likes the rules doesn't mean that they should be changed.

Its like any of us building a tower, knowing the rules and committing to them, then once the project is done, saying we no longer like the rules, especially considering I have gotten favorable tax rules and incentives to build my tower.

For me one of the bottom lines is that there is an oasis of progress in the middle of an area of Winnipeg that has suffered for years. No other company that I know of has stepped forward willing to put money into the area and certainly not without significant public concessions for adapting the current policies/rules to fit a viable business plan.