Toronto... and then they rip the phone cord out of the wall
- poopstash

Nylander is supposedly looking for 1-2 more than Lucic on the same term. Klefbom is easily a more complete dman locked up for what another 4-5 years at only .1 more than Gardiner. But Gardiner is only locked up for this year... I think with spare parts it's a discussion. Oilers need a offensively minded dman, leafs need a more complete. Lucic can be burried in Toronto on the 3rd line with their wealth and Edmonton can sign Willy at a comparable to Lucic and actually use him in that spot. With Sekeras off the books due to LTIR they may be able to swing it.

Like I said, add some bits and I think it makes some sense.

Lucic & Klefbom for Gardiner & Nylander.

Who hangs up first?
- wreckage

Stay off the crack.

Stay off the crack.
- Atomic Wedgie

Compare what is signed and think about it. Lucic is too long but can be buried on the Leafs roster towards the end. And Klefbom is a steal at 4.1 for another 4-5 years, whatever is left. Better to get something for Nylander and Gardiner than nothing. Gardiner is just about chased out of TO already with his poor defense to date and Willy talks are going nowhere until MM and AM are settled.

Compare what is signed and think about it. Lucic is too long but can be buried on the Leafs roster towards the end. And Klefbom is a steal at 4.1 for another 4-5 years, whatever is left. Better to get something for Nylander and Gardiner than nothing. Gardiner is just about chased out of TO already with his poor defense to date and Willy talks are going nowhere until MM and AM are settled.
- wreckage

Lucic is a franking horrible contract. Perhaps you have missed the narrative - there's a cap poopstorm looming in Toronto. Does Edmonton want to retain 50%? Otherwise, it ain't happening.

And how is Toronto getting nothing for Nylander?

Lucic is a franking horrible contract. Perhaps you have missed the narrative - there's a cap poopstorm looming in Toronto. Does Edmonton want to retain 50%? Otherwise, it ain't happening.

And how is Toronto getting nothing for Nylander?
- Atomic Wedgie

What do they have for Nylander? If they want MM and AM they need some space. Taking Lucic instead of Nylander gives them about 1.5 of that. And by taking Klefbom instead of Gardiner it probably saves them another 1.5 for next year instead of losing him for nothing. And improves their D. But never mind, every leaf is better than any other player period.

What do they have for Nylander? If they want MM and AM they need some space. Taking Lucic instead of Nylander gives them about 1.5 of that. And by taking Klefbom instead of Gardiner it probably saves them another 1.5 for next year instead of losing him for nothing. And improves their D. But never mind, every leaf is better than any other player period.
- wreckage

What do they have for Nylander?

His rights until the age of 27.

I love tbe idea of Klefbom.

But Nylander is an asset. Gardiner is an asset (with warts).

Lucic is a liability.

Asset + asset for asset + liability isn't a good trade.

What do they have for Nylander? If they want MM and AM they need some space. Taking Lucic instead of Nylander gives them about 1.5 of that. And by taking Klefbom instead of Gardiner it probably saves them another 1.5 for next year instead of losing him for nothing. And improves their D. But never mind, every leaf is better than any other player period.
- wreckage

Leafs can get a good D for Nylander without having to take back a horrible contract

And if Canadian teams expect the cap to move much take this into consideration... montreal and toronto already sell out to about 102% at home for attendance, winnipeg, Edmonton and calgary all sit around 100%, I believe vancouver is close to that too. Buffalo detroit minnesota and the border teams are there too. So unless ticket prices go up and Ottawa surprises and becomes successful cash isnt in reading from canadian markets anytime soon. Seattle is 2 years away so the wont help it either. No one watches hockey in the sunbelt until a team is successful in the playoffs so no money coming from Dallas Florida Tampa Carolina ect for a while. Rangers and Kings appear down so that's 2 major US markets lowering intake... Guess what Toronto... it might be in your best interest to ship out Marner or Nylander now before the cap flatlines or drops next year.

And if Canadian teams expect the cap to move much take this into consideration... montreal and toronto already sell out to about 102% at home for attendance, winnipeg, Edmonton and calgary all sit around 100%, I believe vancouver is close to that too. Buffalo detroit minnesota and the border teams are there too. So unless ticket prices go up and Ottawa surprises and becomes successful cash isnt in reading from canadian markets anytime soon. Seattle is 2 years away so the wont help it either. No one watches hockey in the sunbelt until a team is successful in the playoffs so no money coming from Dallas Florida Tampa Carolina ect for a while. Rangers and Kings appear down so that's 2 major US markets lowering intake... Guess what Toronto... it might be in your best interest to ship out Marner or Nylander now before the cap flatlines or drops next year.
- wreckage

Thank you for explaining why the Leafs would never take on the Lucic contract.

Very illuminating.

What do they have for Nylander?

His rights until the age of 27.

I love tbe idea of Klefbom.

But Nylander is an asset. Gardiner is an asset (with warts).

Lucic is a liability.

Asset + asset for asset + liability isn't a good trade.
- Atomic Wedgie

Tell me how someone holding out is an asset? Signed to a bridge = possible asset.

Gardiner is not an asset. He is a pending UFA with a major flaw to his game.

Klefbom signed long term = asset.

Lucic after the worst season of his career in some GMs eyes is buying low. Yes that contract is an albatross soon, but it's one the leafs can put on a 3rd line and then hes muscle to protect the Tavareses and Matthews' and Marners for the last 2 years. Not a complete waste. And IF he finds any of his past years it's not a loss at all. All for the cost of a Dman they're gonna lose either way at seasons end and a unhappy situation with a you potential stud.

Might well be the pooptiest goaltending performance between two goalies that I remember seeing. It truly was a poop show. Sparks is unbelievably bad. Dubas looks to have really poop the bed on waiving Mcilheney.
- Aetherial

As a hockey fan that was entertaining and fun to watch. Not every game is going to be like that.

Tell me how someone holding out is an asset? Signed to a bridge = possible asset.

Gardiner is not an asset. He is a pending UFA with a major flaw to his game.

Klefbom signed long term = asset.

Lucic after the worst season of his career in some GMs eyes is buying low. Yes that contract is an albatross soon, but it's one the leafs can put on a 3rd line and then hes muscle to protect the Tavareses and Matthews' and Marners for the last 2 years. Not a complete waste. And IF he finds any of his past years it's not a loss at all. All for the cost of a Dman they're gonna lose either way at seasons end and a unhappy situation with a you potential stud.
- wreckage

Sigh.

The Leafs hold Nylander's rights until he accrues 7 years of NHL experience or reaches the age of 27. If he doesn't play this year, his UFA status is pushed back a year.

It doesn't matter if Lucic is on the 1st line, 4th line or pressbox - his cap hit remains the same. Lucic's contract is franking horrible - which is why you want to get rid of him. Which makes your suggestion that Leafs fans overvalue their players so laughable.

A Habs fan has laughed at your proposal. A Kings fan has laughed at your proposal.

Any chance you've overstretched here?

As a hockey fan that was entertaining and fun to watch. Not every game is going to be like that.
- sabreadvocate1

I'm glad we got the win, but holy frank, pond hockey is not going to win a lot of games in March and beyond.

Sigh.

The Leafs hold Nylander's rights until he accrues 7 years of NHL experience or reaches the age of 27. If he doesn't play this year, his UFA status is pushed back a year.

It doesn't matter if Lucic is on the 1st line, 4th line or pressbox - his cap hit remains the same. Lucic's contract is franking horrible - which is why you want to get rid of him. Which makes your suggestion that Leafs fans overvalue their players so laughable.

A Habs fan has laughed at your proposal. A Kings fan has laughed at your proposal.

Any chance you've overstretched here?
- Atomic Wedgie

Habs fan didnt laugh it out. They said the leafs could get a defenseman without eating a contract. No laughing. But as you'd probably agree, that's a Habs fan... if they agreed more towards my proposal youd say they're a habs fan... enough said. The other is a Kings fan... probably more concerned with the dodgers right now.

Like I said originally, spare parts attached I could see it as groundwork towards a deal. Not saying that alone is fair, but it could be the groundwork. Unfortunately the extras necessary would need to be comparable as both the Oilers and Leafs are in similar cap situations.

Sigh.

The Leafs hold Nylander's rights until he accrues 7 years of NHL experience or reaches the age of 27. If he doesn't play this year, his UFA status is pushed back a year.

It doesn't matter if Lucic is on the 1st line, 4th line or pressbox - his cap hit remains the same. Lucic's contract is franking horrible - which is why you want to get rid of him. Which makes your suggestion that Leafs fans overvalue their players so laughable.

A Habs fan has laughed at your proposal. A Kings fan has laughed at your proposal.

Any chance you've overstretched here?
- Atomic Wedgie

And no, as far as I can find, his UFA rights are not pushed a year if he holds out this year. He just sits a year. Lost year of seasoning. Either way... i dont think he is worth more than 2 year 4.5 per or at a deal equal to Ehlers at 7x6. But hes apparently not willing to look at that.

You bunch of toughies should take off your shirts and start throwing hands.
Fight for your honour!

And no, as far as I can find, his UFA rights are not pushed a year if he holds out this year. He just sits a year. Lost year of seasoning. Either way... i dont think he is worth more than 2 year 4.5 per or at a deal equal to Ehlers at 7x6. But hes apparently not willing to look at that.
- wreckage

Wrong.

You bunch of toughies should take off your shirts and start throwing hands.
Fight for your honour!
- shoreorrpark

I suspect Wreckage is 14 years old, so you encouraging him to take off his shirt is creepy.

When are the Islanders going to get a blogger? I live in Canada and don't get to see enough games to do the team justice, but they are a good young team. It would be nice to have someone on your site that could discuss stories about the team and share opinions and lead discussions. I would be willing to do it, but it would be better from someone who got to see them more. And yes, the Islanders have the pieces to trade for Nylander and should take a shot at him, even if it means having to bring along a contract like Marleau's for the remainder. Toronto is looking at next year as being a key year for them and certainly a guy like Bellows would improve their D corp and/or possibly Boychuk.
- temmer29

I think we would prefer a blogger who knew that Bellows was a forward.😉

To be completely honest here, if the Ducks were to get Nylander, it would probably cost Montour. Hell, it might cost Fowler. But you dont know what the Leafs cap crunch is going to do in the next year here with Matthews and Marner needing contracts. If the Leafs really do intend on trading to the Ducks, I would try and stay away from giving up one of our top 4. And that wont happen.

Dream scenario would be

Leafs get:

Larsson / Pettersson
Ritchie
2nd rounder

Ducks get:

Nylander

But is that what the Leafs would want? A cost controllable Dman, who is one of the top d prospects in the Ducks Org, a NHL winger and a pick. Doubtful.

What on earth would OTT offer on the defensive side that would fit their plan (ie, saving as much money as possible)? Even if they offered the highest paid dman (Ceci) and TOR was dumb enough to accept that, Euge's salary bill would go up, and that ain't cool with him

I don't think the lack of a number #1 is the Leafs' problem. I think it's just the wrong mix of dmen.
- Rinosaur

goaltending

Andersen is either great or a sieve and Sparks is horrible.

Geebus guys, did you get it all out of your systems?

Trolling, butthurt, name calling, and accusations of cyber bullying?

Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

Compare what is signed and think about it. Lucic is too long but can be buried on the Leafs roster towards the end. And Klefbom is a steal at 4.1 for another 4-5 years, whatever is left. Better to get something for Nylander and Gardiner than nothing. Gardiner is just about chased out of TO already with his poor defense to date and Willy talks are going nowhere until MM and AM are settled.
- wreckage

That Lucic contract would be worse than just signing Nylander.

I don't think the lack of a number #1 is the Leafs' problem. I think it's just the wrong mix of dmen.
- Rinosaur

Rielly is a #1. He is so underrated.